Originally Posted by Ken Ross
This is what I've said time and time again, but I'm not getting through. Mark consistently mentions that ANSI # and I could care less about the native CR of the panel. Really, I could care less. Dimming techniques are used in LCD because they're needed. Why in God's name would someone buy an LED panel with dimming and not use it? You are absolutely correct, my Sharp Elite without dimming looks mediocre at best. With dimming it beats most plasmas and to the naked eye has blacks that I, personally, have not seen beat.
I'm really tired of going through this again and again and again.
I presume you'd use dimming. Period.
Mark, as for burn-in, I'm sure some of the Magnolia sets were abused, but it wouldn't have happened with an LED regardless.
That argument is so facile, I'm not sure I can let it just go. It's essentially equivalent to saying, "red wine can stain your carpet in a way white wine can't, so you should really consider avoiding red wine." Never mind that most of us don't have carpet in the places where we drink wine.
I mean, seriously, the "this can't happen with an LCD so therefore we should damn the plasma where it's possible that maybe something could happen that maybe seems permanent to some tiny number of people who have to go looking for it on test patterns in most cases because even when they are certain they have this problem, they don't actually see it unless they run a test pattern" line of argument is not a real argument. It's just not.
The millions upon millions of Panasonic plasma owners who don't
have any permanent panel damage are more than enough reason to presume that no special skill is required to achieve this result.
They "I play a lot of Xbox games with HUDs on them and I'm not going to want to ever worry about it" argument? That's an argument to avoid plasma. Why? Because it represents a scenario where one can reasonably expect to experience some amount of image retention (I'm certain most people would still experience none by the way; the NCAA Tournament score bars are failing to "retain" on my plasma...) -- and regularly, to boot.
This is essentially now a 15-year-old argument and the idea that this problem is serious is a lot like the idea people shouldn't drive cars because there are idiots out there who drive drunk and might hit you. I mean, yes, people drive drunk. And yes, there are some people who have some image retention. But if we acknowledge the problem exists (as rare as it may be), then we have to conclude that it's caused by some amount of bad luck or really stupid behavior... I'll just grant that bad luck is some version of "panel Lotto"... And if that's a reason to not buy plasmas well, my God, it's a reason to absolutely, positively never, ever, ever buy a Samsung LCD if ever there was one (unless of course somehow the 2013s are all perfect out of the box because they've stopped manufacturing them like 1980s American cars).
Oh, and by all means take the last word. I just wasn't really interested in letting it be one which relied on some argument that I found so facile because, well, there have been mostly a serious of intelligent, well-reasoned posts by you (and others, it should be noted).