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Yay!

The new flagship from Samsung, in 65 and 75 (and smaller, but who cares? smile.gif)

http://reviews.cnet.com/tvs/samsung-un60f8000/4505-6475_7-35566921.html

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They look promising. Hopefully it will eliminate uniformity issues.

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On the other hand, the 85" 4K set has this heinous frame thing around it. They are calling it "beautiful" at the Samsung presser. I guess that's Korean for "your wife will hate it as will you."

The TV itself, though, looks nice. I expect $20-25K on that one.

The F8000, however, ought to be similar to the ES series pricing.

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According to Hdguru.com the F8000 is edge lit.
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According to Hdguru.com the F8000 is edge lit.

Edge with Micro Dimming Ultimate. Just like 2012's top of the line

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Disappointing. I was excited about Samsung getting back to full local dimming. Im just not happy with the image processing in my HX929 but Id rather deal with that instead of the horrible clouding and corner light bleed that has plagued Samsung since the B8500.
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The 2013 Samsung flagship F8000 series features edge-lit LED LCD 240Hz refresh panel with local dimming. 

Additional new features include Micro Dimming Ultimate which analyzes each video frame in real time and eliminates “halos” around bright areas such as white titles on a black background.

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The company claims the microdimming system eliminates blooming effects and its Precision Black algorithm can control black levels in discrete zones without affecting light areas of the picture.

"halos" and "blooming" are typical problem that comes from an "hardware" local dimming


so if samsung include an algorithm that can eliminate this effects may be this year the microdimming is not only a software
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Bah, Cnet got it wrong?

I should be clear on something. Samsung has, for several years, claimed you can do local dimming with edge lighting. You cannot. You can do some very crude zoning at 2 times the number of LEDs you have maximum.

And when I say, "you cannot", I mean, "you cannot", It's not possible. It's not like they have some technology that changes physics. You get a maximum zone control of rectangular zones that go halfway across the screen and are in no greater number than the number of discrete LEDs you can control.

They can continue to hype this as something more -- they do it every year quite frankly -- but if it's again "edge lit precision microdimming" it's no revolution and I've wasted everyone's time getting excited based on Cnet's report.

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Just read that the F is getting the "Cinema Black" which should help with the clouding in the corners. Not sure how accurate this is since its the only review site I've seen that mentions this. But they are calling it their "new" Cinema black. I gotta hand it to Samsung for their marketing though. Every year they say their 8000 series will have 10% better blacks and 20 to 30 % better picture quality.

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So how much would a 4K full array local dimming cost? Are we ever gonna see a 4K full array local dimming?
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I would imagine that OLEDs would be better than a 4K "Full Array" LED. LG is saying that their 55" OLED will be $12K. My point being that if they ever came out with a 4K Full Array, it probably wouldn't be much cheaper than what LGs charging for their OLED
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LG's OLED is 2K, so anyway.

And let's be clear, Sony is coming out with a 4K full-array LCD this year. I suspect the 55" will be significantly cheaper than $12k and even the 65" ought to be far cheaper as well.

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LG's OLED is 2K, so anyway.

And let's be clear, Sony is coming out with a 4K full-array LCD this year. I suspect the 55" will be significantly cheaper than $12k and even the 65" ought to be far cheaper as well.

I didn't know Sony was coming out with a 4k Full array. What I was trying to say was if there's only a $3K difference between a 4K and a OLED, I think I would rather buy the OLED.
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Can you post a link about this new Sony 4K LCD with "Full Array"? I'd like to check it out.
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The only Sony I can find is the XBR-X900 which says its a 4K but an edge lit LED. Is there another one that hasn't been announced yet?

http://reviews.cnet.com/tvs/sony-xbr-55x900a/4505-6475_7-35561928.html
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This year is really confusing. I read a report that the Samsung F8000 will have a new feature called "Cinema black" which isn't new since its on my 2011 D8000. Then another report I read says its finally getting Micro-Dimming, which supposedly my 2012 ES8000 has. Very confused..

http://www.trustedreviews.com/samsung-ue60f8000_TV_review
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This year is really confusing. I read a report that the Samsung F8000 will have a new feature called "Cinema black" which isn't new since its on my 2011 D8000. Then another report I read says its finally getting Micro-Dimming, which supposedly my 2012 ES8000 has. Very confused..

http://www.trustedreviews.com/samsung-ue60f8000_TV_review

The 75ES9000 has:
Micro Dimming Ultimate and Precision Black Local Dimming, Cinema black too.

Question is what is the difference between the 75ES9000 vs 75F8000

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The 75ES9000 has:
Micro Dimming Ultimate and Precision Black Local Dimming, Cinema black too.

Question is what is the difference between the 75ES9000 vs 75F8000

That's right. Forgot about the 75' ES9000 having the same features as the D8000 LED. Not sure why they are calling it a "new" feature.
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Someone from Flatpanelshd.com just confirmed that the Evo kit will NOT improve picture quality for the 2012 models. Its under the comments section for anyone interested in seeing it.

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1357605570
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Someone from Flatpanelshd.com just confirmed that the Evo kit will NOT improve picture quality for the 2012 models. Its under the comments section for anyone interested in seeing it.

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1357605570

Samsung surely is making things confusing.

Here is an example.
From the link above I've copied this...

"Samsung has revealed the new 2013 LED line-up. F8000 is the new flagship but Samsung also plans to launch new F7500 and F7000 models and new cheaper 6, 5 and 4 series. F8000 has a quad-core processor."

If the 2013 F8000 is the new flagship, then what is going to happen to the current flagship 2012 75ES9000?
Maybe the price will be reduced on the 75ES9000 when the 75F8000 comes out. And then it may be discontinued? Or it maybe keep in their line as the flagship flagship...lol

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They truly are.. Last year at CES, the 75" was a 75" ES8000. They didn't show a ES9000 from what I can remember. They had a ES9500, but that was the OLED. Then after the show, they announced this ES9000 in the 75" but no 75" ES8000 like they showed off. Oh yea, and the price they said for the 75" ES8000 was supposed to be $7K.
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Is there any new info on these 2013 sets? I can't believe all the mis information going around this year and I don't mean on this forum.
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http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-un85s9/4505-6482_7-35567048.html I think this is what people are looking for. Hopefully this will be the full arrray local dimmer Samsung comes out with this year.
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I just realized something about Samsung's TVs. They seem to release the good ones every other year. First was the "A" series which was ok. Then the "B" series which was amazing because one had a "Full Array" backlight, then the "C" which was ok, then the "D" which was amazing which had the hardware for the dimming, then the "ES" which is ok but didn't have the hardware for dimming, and now the "F" which has the hardware for dimming again? Every other year they seem to bring the "local Dimming" back..
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I just realized something about Samsung's TVs. They seem to release the good ones every other year. First was the "A" series which was ok. Then the "B" series which was amazing because one had a "Full Array" backlight, then the "C" which was ok, then the "D" which was amazing which had the hardware for the dimming, then the "ES" which is ok but didn't have the hardware for dimming, and now the "F" which has the hardware for dimming again? Every other year they seem to bring the "local Dimming" back..

The A Series was the best...I used to own an A850.

The B Series had the full-array LED B8500.

The C Series had the outstanding C650.

The D Series had??

The ES Series has the exceptional ES8000.
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I was talking more about the hardware for the dimming. Yes, I remember the A850 and it was sweet. I can't remember though if that one had "local Dimming" or not. I remember the C8000 wasn't that great. Especially the 3D. Then came the D8000 which was a lot better than the C8000 and then the ES8000 seems like a step back because it doesn't have the "cinema black" or "Smart LED" that the D has and now their bringing back the "cinema black" with the new F8000
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Congrats on your new set you got. I'm sure your glad Thats over with smile.gif
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+1, Yeah I like the ES7100 waaaay better than the D6900.

The F8000 looks nice...if only Samsung would make simpler TV Stands....
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+1, Yeah I like the ES7100 waaaay better than the D6900.

The F8000 looks nice...if only Samsung would make simpler TV Stands....

Yea, a relative of mine just bought the 7100 and loves it! I saw it and honestly i dont see any difference in picture quality from my ES8000. I'm really digging their new F8500 plasma as well. This year has a lot of exciting stuff compared to last years. Just wish they had more info on everything
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Yea, a relative of mine just bought the 7100 and loves it! I saw it and honestly i dont see any difference in picture quality from my ES8000. I'm really digging their new F8500 plasma as well. This year has a lot of exciting stuff compared to last years. Just wish they had more info on everything

+1 the F8500 is the first plasma that looks like it has LCD/LED blacks and "pop" in a bright room.

Its supposed to be 3 times brighter than the E8000 plasma.
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