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Oh get off your high horse. The set has issues and can be returned within a 90 day window and maybe the replacement will be better. Here is some advice, if you can't post something of value instead of attacking someone than don't post at all.

If it was that big a deal, you wouldn't be waiting another month to return it. My guess is another month will be quite close to the end of your 90 return window. If people continue to abuse Costco's generous return policy, it will be shortened (again).
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If it was that big a deal, you wouldn't be waiting another month to return it. My guess is another month will be quite close to the end of your 90 return window. If people continue to abuse Costco's generous return policy, it will be shortened (again).

I have my reasons but whatever they are it doesn't really concern you, does it? I also wonder if you usually decide what is and isn't a big deal for other people. Returning what I consider to be a defective tv is not abusing a return policy, that is why it exists.
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Anyone notice odd things while watching Blu-Rays on the M601D-A3R ? In Dark Knight Rises I seem to see a bit of ghosting and in action scenes or action movies everyone once in a while it looks like it will skip a frame or 2. Maybe I'm losing it.

Video Games on the other hand are amazing and I don't notice any ghosting or issues. The only thing I miss from my old Vizio 47" LCD is I loved the Color Enhancement option and I had that on Rich Color and games just looked glorious.
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Anyone notice odd things while watching Blu-Rays on the M601D-A3R ? In Dark Knight Rises I seem to see a bit of ghosting and in action scenes or action movies everyone once in a while it looks like it will skip a frame or 2. Maybe I'm losing it.

First thing I'd check is that motion smoothing is either set to low or off.

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First thing I'd check is that motion smoothing is either set to low or off.

It is turned off also I'm testing different movies but Transformers: DOTM seems kinda grainy but Dark Knight Rises is crisp.
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Well, I'm proud to join the club. Just ordered my Vizio M551d-A2R from Amazon, pricematched to to BJs.com. Final price = 947 using the power of math (2% Amazon rewards on the original $1098 price, and 1% on the $825 charged to my card, had $155 in Amazon credit).

Delivery on Tuesday. Hope I don't have any of the issues some of the 55 inch people here mentioned!

Look forward to finding some good calibration settings, anyone know where I should start?
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I'm new to this so not sure if this has been answered before. I just bought the m601. Some channels look great but I put it on an hd channel for an nfl game and it was very poor. Almost like it was flickering when moving fast or changing cameras. Did this with the smooth motion both on and off. Any help would be great.
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I'm new to this so not sure if this has been answered before. I just bought the m601. Some channels look great but I put it on an hd channel for an nfl game and it was very poor. Almost like it was flickering when moving fast or changing cameras. Did this with the smooth motion both on and off. Any help would be great.

I've noticed this as well. I've turned everything in Advanced Picture off and still noticed it and noticed it during some movies. I was watching House and the camera panned quickly and it stuttered like it was trying to catch up.
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Look forward to finding some good calibration settings, anyone know where I should start?
Try these out. I used them on my m65 and it was very close to the WOW disc. Although I'm not sure if that's the case for any other sizes listed because they are user submitted settings.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0Anonwz1K2rCKdHp3RG83WE5hcHhHVDJhcDQzYTRLUXc&f=true&noheader=false&gid=1
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On TV #3 from Amazon and this one is defective as well. Severe light bleed on #1 no matter how much we adjusted the settings, #2 displayed the picture on the top 1/2 and the bottom 1/2 was gray. #3 is unresponsive on apps, we can start a Youtube video and after about 15 seconds it will stop. On HDTV signals it displays an unwatchable picture but it's fine on SDTV. Dead pixels are on the top left of the screen.

It's been a pain to mount 3 TV's on the wall. We'd be satisfied to spend more on a 70" or larger passive 3D that works. We have a Vizio in another room, works great after 3 years but this one has been horrible. With 3 kids, we wanted a large passive HDTV since glasses are cheap but not sure what to do now. Time to start searching for an alternative.
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How about just buying the tv from a nearby retailer, if that is an option. Or maybe pay extra for faster shipping(less sorting facilites). It is a 70" behemoth, that one delivery person will not be able to handle with the utmost care. Have you seen how mail is handled from one place to another? I opted driving 2.5hrs round trip just to pick up my set vs it being shipped. Happy I did too. It's about as perfect as you can get for an edge-lit set. Although, I do have very, very minor issues, sometimes I wish I did not know what to look for. Ignorance is bliss.
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Try these out. I used them on my m65 and it was very close to the WOW disc. Although I'm not sure if that's the case for any other sizes listed because they are user submitted settings.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0Anonwz1K2rCKdHp3RG83WE5hcHhHVDJhcDQzYTRLUXc&f=true&noheader=false&gid=1

Thanks for the info! Misread initially - new set arrives on the 10th. Can anyone else fill me in on information should know? This is my first new TV since the 2008 Dynex 42 inch.
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Does anyone know if this supports the Vizio "Versus" mode for splitscreen gaming? (a.k.a., Dual Play from LG)
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Yea Padinn- get ready to have a special place to throw the remote. JK. As far as I know, it does not do dual play as that is a LG thing. Wouldn't mind it though.
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Look forward to finding some good calibration settings, anyone know where I should start?

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Here ya go bud!

Calibration settings...
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I'm new to this so not sure if this has been answered before. I just bought the m601. Some channels look great but I put it on an hd channel for an nfl game and it was very poor. Almost like it was flickering when moving fast or changing cameras. Did this with the smooth motion both on and off. Any help would be great.

I think these motion artifacts are something we have to live with and look worse on a big screen. To me ESPN and ABC have the best picture for football, NBC and FOX are next and CBS is by far the worst. When I lived in Washington State I always hated when the Seahawks were on CBS. I'm sure Dish and Directv add some form of compression to make matters worse, but I've had both Dish and Directv and the networks were the same level of quality on both satellite systems. Watch when there is vertical motion such as a player jogging... the picture will block up on CBS. I have the 70 inch version and it is not pretty.
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Could use some help with definitions of what these actually do -
Auto Brightness Control: Using ambient sensor to correct for lighting?

Black Detail: Off - No idea - sounds bad smile.gif
Smart Dimming: On - I know what this is
Smooth Motion Effect: Off - I know what this is (interpolation)
Reduce Signal Noise: Off - no clue
Reduce Block Noise: Off - no clue
Film Mode: Auto -= no clue

Is this a 120 hz panel interpolated to 240, or a 60 hz that is interpolated to 120/240 based on what is turned on?
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Could use some help with definitions of what these actually do -
Auto Brightness Control: Using ambient sensor to correct for lighting?

Black Detail: Off - No idea - sounds bad smile.gif
Smart Dimming: On - I know what this is
Smooth Motion Effect: Off - I know what this is (interpolation)
Reduce Signal Noise: Off - no clue
Reduce Block Noise: Off - no clue
Film Mode: Auto -= no clue

Is this a 120 hz panel interpolated to 240, or a 60 hz that is interpolated to 120/240 based on what is turned on?

I believe Auto brightness is just that. Ambient sensor.
Black detail- Black Tone. Pulled from some site, which I think is the same concept:
Black Tone is closely related to the "Brightness" option. Adjusting the Black level option changes what the TV interprets as "Black". For example: Setting the option really high will change a deep navy blue color to be displayed as black. This can cause you to lose details to the shadows on dark scenes. Setting the option correctly for your viewing preferences and signal type will enhance the black colors displayed on the TV to be a nice true black. This option has four settings: Off, Dark, Darker, Darkest.(l,m,h for vizios)
I think it's more 120/w240hz than 60hz.
Everything else, no damn clue.
Feel free to chime in guys as I am no expert.
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Z0p- have you tried to turn on smooth motion to low or medium? I have mine set to med on game mode(my mode for everything). No soap opera effect.
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So I got one of those shelves that hooks onto the top of the TV and braces itself against the back ... and I hope I'm not crazy, but it seems like there is a vertical band exactly as wide as the shelf. Does anyone happen to know if it's possible to cause banding by putting pressure on the frame of the TV? I only have my center speaker and kinect on the shelf. They only way probably six pounds together.
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So I got one of those shelves that hooks onto the top of the TV and braces itself against the back ... and I hope I'm not crazy, but it seems like there is a vertical band exactly as wide as the shelf. Does anyone happen to know if it's possible to cause banding by putting pressure on the frame of the TV? I only have my center speaker and kinect on the shelf. They only way probably six pounds together.

Yes, that shelf sounds like a very bad idea for today's super thin cabinet TV's. these TV's have very low tolerances, a tiny bit of added pressure can introduce clouding, banding, light bleed, whatever. I've got to see a pic of this shelf, it has to look like crap. How do you hook it onto the 1/2" bezel ?
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Z0p- have you tried to turn on smooth motion to low or medium? I have mine set to med on game mode(my mode for everything). No soap opera effect.

I don't have smooth motion on at all (game mode). Just watched a game on FOX sports and the picture quality was fantastic... only very minor motion artifacts. I don't think you can make CBS sports look good using any setting... but I'd love to be proven wrong. I'll record a CBS game and play with the settings. I never could stand the picture on CBS football even with my samsung plasma.
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@rex it actually sits flush with the bezel, and looks good. The word shelves in my post is a link to it on amazon.

I'm going to leave it off for a few days and see if the tv corrects itself ...
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Random question - would I want to set my PS3 output to "RGB full" or limited?
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There's a good chance the shelf enabled the banding. I've thought about buying that actual shelf or the soundbar mounts that's out there but ultimately didn't. 6lbs is too much for the back panel or anywhere else on this tv. For example, I had some lightbleed when I 1st bought my set; after a lil wax on/wax off(not recommending this)-95% of display is uniform in black. The 5% left is light leaking through the bottom left corner. Everything else was good, just that little damn corner I couldn't get rid of and didn't think to try pressing along the back panel since it wouldn't work from the front. The back panel actually had a little leeway near the edges, so I just pressed it ever so slightly and BAM!!! That sh!t was gone just like that. Goes to show you that anything else besides a tv mount, should not be attached to these sets.
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Random question - would I want to set my PS3 output to "RGB full" or limited?

It is recommeded to be set on limited.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2008/12/12/optimizing-your-ps3-for-blu-ray?page=3

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Ugh. I'll probably take this back and get the 60". Regardless of whether or not the shelf caused it or it's always been there and I just now noticed, now it's driving me nuts.
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Also, I doubt taking it off and letting it go away on its own will work. Try using those 3M Command sticker hangers as its sticky and strong enough to pull the back panel away to release the pressure. Or maybe some type of sunction cup to pull the back panel away, along with a tablet rear protector as the sunction cup will not stick to the back panel plastic by itself. Just throwing out ideas here to remedy your problem.
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Ugh. I'll probably take this back and get the 60". Regardless of whether or not the shelf caused it or it's always been there and I just now noticed, now it's driving me nuts.

Or that. Wasn't aware about your return situation. Like if you were within your exchange window or if you can even exchange it at all. But yes, that is definitely option A.
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@nhanstop yeah, I got it at Best Buy and I'm a silver rewards member so I have 60 days on returns. It's just frustrating as this was my third TV in about as many weeks. Both my wife and the customer service desk are likely growing very tired of these shenanigans.
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