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I'm looking at this M-Series monitor [and TV]:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...140710104027:s


I was wondering if this is a true 120hz panel and if this offers a 24p mode?

Also, is it possible to turn off the soap opera effect?


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As per User Manual (Models: M492i-B2, M552i-B2, & M652i-B2):


Refresh Rate: 240 Hz Effective.


• Smooth Motion Effect - Activates Smooth Motion™
motion estimation/motion compensation, which
suppresses motion judder, or “stuttering” of the image
when the camera moves across a scene horizontally.
Select Off, Low, Medium, or High.

• Motion Blur Reduction - Reduces blur in scenes with fast
action. Some sensitive viewers may notice flicker.
Select On or Off.

• Film Mode - Optimizes the picture for watching film.
Select Auto or Off.


Ooooh. I like the keyboard remote:





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The Backlight, and especially the Contrast are pretty HIGH. Depending on source/content, there will be 'overexposure' or 'over-driven' issues. This has been my experience when driving the Backlight and/or especially the Contrast too high.



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Agreed on the Contrast. While the 235 level is supposed to be peak level for video, almost all video has peak levels that use some of the headroom between 235 and 255. On most displays, including the Vizio, the red, blue, and green sub-pixels of the display don't all peak at the same point. So if you don't set contrast low enough, a bright white in that 235 to 255 range will cause a single primary color to peak before the others which then results in a color shift. So the brightest whites will not be the same color as the not quite so bright whites. While it sounds like this will simply make the brightest whites not look right, human visual perception will actually attempt to compensate to a degree and shift the perception of the colors of everything else on screen when this occurs as well.

The highest level I could set the contrast without clipping any of the primary colors below level 255 was 65. Red began clipping at 66. Blue was difficult to determine because it does not exhibit a linear increase in brightness. The banding is bad enough that some lower number brightness levels of blue are displayed as brighter than the next several brightness levels above them. If my colorimeter was still working correctly, I would use it to verify that white at the 255 level was the same color as all whites at lower levels (D6500). When it starts to stray from that, the contrast is set too high. I do advocate setting the contrast as high as possible without clipping any of the primary colors, therefore using the maximum dynamic range of the display, and then adjust the backlight level to achieve the desired overall picture brightness.

High backlight levels shouldn't cause any color shift or undesirable picture issues other than simply having too bright of a picture. Backlight levels should not cause any color issues unless the backlight changes color with variance in backlighting level (which it shouldn't, and would cause significant color issues with smart dimming if it did). Determining if there was any color shift with changes in backlight levels would require a colorimeter or photo spectrometer.
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I'm sure this has been answered somewhere before but....................
The 11 point white balance...I see some of you post settings for each percentage. Once I enter the settings for 5%-100% am I supposed to pick a percentage or is the tv making adjustments based on every single change i made?

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I'm sure this has been answered somewhere before but....................
The 11 point white balance...I see some of you post settings for each percentage. Once I enter the settings for 5%-100% am I supposed to pick a percentage or just leave as is on the 5%.
You can leave it on 5%, you've got all the other percentages entered so you're good to go.
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Connect to the network and wait.
I actually do remember seeing a notification of an update a couple months back that included a long list of items. So I guess I sort of answered my own question....

I just wish there was a way to start the process when I want to.

So no tricks to do that I guess?
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You can leave it on 5%, you've got all the other percentages entered so you're good to go.
So the TV is using all 11 setting changes i did?
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So the TV is using all 11 setting changes i did?
Correct.
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Correct.
thank you both for your responses.
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Agreed on the Contrast. While the 235 level is supposed to be peak level for video, almost all video has peak levels that use some of the headroom between 235 and 255. On most displays, including the Vizio, the red, blue, and green sub-pixels of the display don't all peak at the same point. So if you don't set contrast low enough, a bright white in that 235 to 255 range will cause a single primary color to peak before the others which then results in a color shift. So the brightest whites will not be the same color as the not quite so bright whites. While it sounds like this will simply make the brightest whites not look right, human visual perception will actually attempt to compensate to a degree and shift the perception of the colors of everything else on screen when this occurs as well.

The highest level I could set the contrast without clipping any of the primary colors below level 255 was 65. Red began clipping at 66. Blue was difficult to determine because it does not exhibit a linear increase in brightness. The banding is bad enough that some lower number brightness levels of blue are displayed as brighter than the next several brightness levels above them. If my colorimeter was still working correctly, I would use it to verify that white at the 255 level was the same color as all whites at lower levels (D6500). When it starts to stray from that, the contrast is set too high. I do advocate setting the contrast as high as possible without clipping any of the primary colors, therefore using the maximum dynamic range of the display, and then adjust the backlight level to achieve the desired overall picture brightness.

High backlight levels shouldn't cause any color shift or undesirable picture issues other than simply having too bright of a picture. Backlight levels should not cause any color issues unless the backlight changes color with variance in backlighting level (which it shouldn't, and would cause significant color issues with smart dimming if it did). Determining if there was any color shift with changes in backlight levels would require a colorimeter or photo spectrometer.
Thanks for the feedback everyone, and especially KC-Technerd for dropping this knowledge. This solved a problem I was having determining the contrast level. With the v1.09 firmware I had the contrast set this high with no ill effects (that I was aware of), but since the v1.34 update the contrast test pattern on the AVSHD 709 disk had a pinkish tint. The more I lowered the contrast the more pink it got over the 235 level. Not knowing what was going on (or really what the hell I was doing) I just raised the contrast until the pink only showed at the lower end of the contrast range.

So armed with this new knowledge I lowered the contrast until the test pattern stopped being pink, which turned out to be at magic number 65, just like KC-Technerd stated. I rechecked the other levels and bumped brightness up to 53 and color down to 43. Everything else seemed fine, and I'll have to wait until tonight to really check out the brightness level, but I could see the difference right away. Definitely looks more natural.

Thanks again.
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The Backlight, and especially the Contrast are pretty HIGH. Depending on source/content, there will be 'overexposure' or 'over-driven' issues. This has been my experience when driving the Backlight and/or especially the Contrast too high.



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That makes sense. I'll try lowering them a bit. Looks like he has this set for a particularly bright environment.
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Just did a run-through of the Disney WOW disc, first time since getting 1.34. The settings definitely changed quite a bit. Here is what I am now using on my 50". I calibrated this in a room with medium light. Not dark, but not bright either.

New 1.34 Settings

Backlight - 50
Brightness - 64
Contrast - 71
Color - 42
Tint - -1
Sharpness - 0
Color Temp - Normal
Advanced Settings - All off

I also went into the Professional Picture menu and pulled down the Red Offset to -4 and Red Gain to -2 as the "Normal" picture setting was just a touch too red for my liking, while both "Computer" and "Cool" were much too blue.

Previous 1.09 Settings

Backlight - 50
Brightness - 57
Contrast - 76
Color - 46
Tint - -1
Sharpness - 0
Color Temp - Normal
Advanced Settings - All off

Pretty obvious fluctuations in the Brightness, Contrast, and to an extent, Color. Overall, I think these look pretty good, but I still think my PQ was better with 1.09. These will do for me though.

Again, this is for my 50" M, so I'd imagine these would also be compatible with 55" and 65" models as well.
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is there any way to adjust the refresh rate?

sorry for noob question.

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i am now having lip sync issues on my 80M. i have a vizio sound bar hooked to the tv. The sound bar is always on and i guess goes to sleep and the tv gets turned off after viewing. When i turn the tv on there is a lot of lip sync issue with the video vs the sound coming from the sound bar. I have a custom pic setting.

Any recommendations, seriously considering whether to keep this tv or not. Doesn't happen to my LG in the bedroom.
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An update to the settings I posted yesterday. I watched a few episodes of The Sopranos, some of the Yankees/Indians game, and some Summer League basketball and I'm really starting to enjoy them even more. I said that I thought my PQ on 1.09 was better, but I'm not so sure anymore. These look really good and the blacks are no longer crushed on my set.
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i am now having lip sync issues on my 80M. i have a vizio sound bar hooked to the tv. The sound bar is always on and i guess goes to sleep and the tv gets turned off after viewing. When i turn the tv on there is a lot of lip sync issue with the video vs the sound coming from the sound bar. I have a custom pic setting.

Any recommendations, seriously considering whether to keep this tv or not. Doesn't happen to my LG in the bedroom.
how is the sound bar hooked up? directly to tv? optical?

regardless, this happened to me once....all i did was turn off everything, disconnect all the wires and unplug everything...waited a few minutes before reconnecting everything and plugging them back in and the problem went away.

let me know if this helps....PS, there is a lip-sync setting in the audio settings of the TV...i'm also using a vizio soundbar with my M60 although I've never had to adjust the lip sync settings.

good luck, I would not let such a minor issue turn you away from an amazing TV. if this problem just appeared it should be easily fixable.
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