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Mine is OK. Did you do a Factory Reset when you got 1.34xx?

You have 'muddy' sound now, no matter which of the Factory Presets you select?

Once I make an adjustment to one of the Presets, I end up with a Custom setting.



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Yep, all the presets show flat and look the same. I did a reset and it FIXED the issue! Kinda scary, but the picture is also much better now. I swear, I put it back to the same preset, "calibrated dark" and it looks much better. This is making me think anytime there is a firmware update that a full reset is a good idea! Also, the "test connection" didn't work anymore, and reset fixed that also.

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The tech came two days ago and replace the motherboard. Picture quality is the same. Remote was replaced as well. The remote is more responsive. I also noticed that after using the TV for a few minutes it upgraded the firmware.

We will see if this fixes the pixelation and shutting off issues. My TV is a M601.

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The tech came two days ago and replace the motherboard. Picture quality is the same. Remote was replaced as well. The remote is more responsive. I also noticed that after using the TV for a few minutes it upgraded the firmware.

We will see if this fixes the pixelation and shutting off issues. My TV is a M601.
I had Vizio send me a replacement remote like two weeks ago, and just like you, the new one felt WAY more responsive. As I noted a few pages back, my old remote said it was on FW V22/V22 and the new remote says FW V45. Also, the new remote has a much dimmer backlight whereas the old one was incredibly bright. Hopefully that allows for slower battery drain.
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I'll admit, I wasn't too happy about resetting to factory and recalibrating everything (not to mention setting up my apps/passwords from scratch)...especially since I recently changed all the screen settings.

I must admit, it's worth the trouble. The overall picture quality has improved noticeably after the last two upgrades. I've barely begun tweaking the advanced color settings yet (work in progress), but it can only get better. The one thing I hope changes, is the constant need to un-pair/re-pair the remote, or I'm forced to point directly at the receptor.
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I'll admit, I wasn't too happy about resetting to factory and recalibrating everything (not to mention setting up my apps/passwords from scratch)...especially since I recently changed all the screen settings.

I must admit, it's worth the trouble. The overall picture quality has improved noticeably after the last two upgrades. I've barely begun tweaking the advanced color settings yet (work in progress), but it can only get better. The one thing I hope changes, is the constant need to un-pair/re-pair the remote, or I'm forced to point directly at the receptor.
I had problems with my remote becoming un-paired, but those all went away after 1.34. Been at least a month now since it's done it. Before the firmware patch it would do it at least once a week.
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Hello everyone,

I have a few issues with my m501d-a2r after the latest firmware update. All of a sudden when I play blu rays on my PS3 or PS4 in the background of the movie a lot of shots the screen is like slightly flashing, not all over the picture just the background and any words that come on the screen (title, universal intro, etc.) are shaky. Its hard to focus on the screen at times. Games look fine on both systems and movies on my FIOS are not shaky. I am using Game mode with the smoothing off for all movie viewing for the record nothing else has been touched setting wise.

I have tried the 1080p/24 On, Off, & Automatic so its not the PS3...

Then I noticed faint vertical lines across the entire set (maybe 2cm wide), they can only be seen upclose mostly on blacks and when you look at an angle (this might just be my OCD and that how the set looks, not entirely sure). Also I have 2 faint inch wide vertical bands or so which I hear are pretty common on LED sets and I just moved the tv to a new angle which is why I might be seeing them now... so I can deal with those.

I am about to wash my hands with this set...I literally went through 6 replacements until I found one that wasnt defective or had some kind of blooming until I finally got this one back in December...Any insight would be awesome, thanks guys!

Anyone at all!! Looking for help here (sorry im impatient)
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Yep, all the presets show flat and look the same. I did a reset and it FIXED the issue! Kinda scary, but the picture is also much better now. I swear, I put it back to the same preset, "calibrated dark" and it looks much better.

This is making me think anytime there is a firmware update that a full reset is a good idea!

Also, the "test connection" didn't work anymore, and reset fixed that also.

Yes, resets are a good idea when receiving firmware updates, as you, others, and myself have found.

Once you get your Custom Settings they way you want... write them down. They do not always stay.

I'm finding it real tough to get a good White Balance from a Normal Temp setting, such as Calibrated or Calibrated Dark. The darker gains want to stay gray, while the bright ones are 'warm'. (With my Off-Axis view.) I am guessing I am working against a mis-adjusted internal picture setup. (Is there a 'secret' menu access on these Vizios?)

I will probably try do a WB adjustment from a 'Cool' Temp setting and then try my Sepia Tone with the Gain/Offset settings.

I reported in another post that the WB adjustment (if not some other Color Tuner Settings) appeared to be in effect across all Inputs and Preset/Custom settings. However, last night I checked and my latest adjustments did not carry over to the Cable Input where the WB settings were still all at zero. Which is supposed to be which?


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I have a few issues with my M501D-A2R after the latest firmware update...


After you got your firmware update, you did a Factory Reset, yes?



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I had Vizio send me a replacement remote like two weeks ago, and just like you, the new one felt WAY more responsive. As I noted a few pages back, my old remote said it was on FW V22/V22 and the new remote says FW V45. Also, the new remote has a much dimmer backlight whereas the old one was incredibly bright. Hopefully that allows for slower battery drain.
How can you tell what firmware the remote is running? When I look in System Info it says v1.54, but nothing like what you posted.

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How can you tell what firmware the remote is running? When I look in System Info it says v1.54, but nothing like what you posted.

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Remove the battery cover, it should be printed on a small white sticker. I'm not 100% sure that it's the firmware of the remote, but it more than likely is.

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OZMO FW:V22/V22
UEI FW:X8

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Do the new vizio m series from 2014 accept 0-255 color? can they change between it? I'm using a HTPC with a nvidia gpu for my m492i but idk whether to output 0-255 or 16-235 to xbmc/mpc-hc
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Do the new vizio m series from 2014 accept 0-255 color? can they change between it? I'm using a HTPC with a nvidia gpu for my m492i but idk whether to output 0-255 or 16-235 to xbmc/mpc-hc
Use 16-235 for movies as that is the rec 709 standard. PC applications can have a wider range but for movies we use 220 out of the 256 scale.
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After you got your firmware update, you did a Factory Reset, yes?



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Yes I did a factory reset...
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Well, I said in my last post that it was my final calibration and for that type of calibration it was. This one is a full blown calibration. As usual, I have no idea if these will translate properly to other Vizio's so please take them in that spirit...
I've found that my prior calibration while pretty good didn't include calibrating the Yellow, Cyan and Magenta shades to make the colors the correct hues. For me this made enough of a difference that I thought I'd post them. So with all that said here goes:

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Remove the battery cover, it should be printed on a small white sticker. I'm not 100% sure that it's the firmware of the remote, but it more than likely is.

Old remote:

OZMO FW:V22/V22
UEI FW:X8

New remote:

OZMO FW:V45
UEI FW:X8
hmm... yeah, I don't have that. My little white sticker reads "XRT510:00111203030".
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hmm... yeah, I don't have that. My little white sticker reads "XRT510:00111203030".
That's the top sticker that gives the remote model. There should be another sticker like an inch below that.
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I need some new Picture settings for my M-series 55 " (2013 model) since the new firmware update if anyone doesnt mind.
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That's the top sticker that gives the remote model. There should be another sticker like an inch below that.
Nope, I didn't get that sticker. Thanks for the info though.

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I need some new Picture settings for my M-series 55 " (2013 model) since the new firmware update if anyone doesnt mind.
Sure, what the hell... like I need another excuse to post my latest minor adjustments...

For those keeping track: since I had to do another factory reset to fix a wi-fi issue, I took the chance to try out Ursa'a recent settings. After plugging in his settings I had to change the cyan and magenta settings (using the AVSHD 709 disk) to +4 to balance out the tent, raise the color to 45, and lower contrast to 58 to avoid red clipping. The picture looked great, however it wasn't a huge improvement over what I had. In fact, the skin tones were just a tad bit pasty, and it picture had a bit less punch. I tried it for a couple hours, then decided to punch in my previous settings, with a minor adjustment of lowering the contrast to 63. On the AVSHD 709 disc this showed the white level with more headroom than having the contrast at 65, and in viewing there indeed seems to be finer shadow detail/less crushed blacks. The other changes are revised 3D settings (raising the backlight and color a notch) and a Film mode turning off Smooth Motion. I'm also including my custom audio settings for those who might be interested. As always, ymmv:

M551d-A2, v1.34.28.1034_125

Auto Brightness: Off, (or High, Backlight 100 for streaming photos)

Backlight: custom Calibrated, custom Game, Film, Sports/Animation: 84, custom Dark Calibrated: 69, custom photo: 67 (or 100, Auto Brightness High), custom 3D: 96

Brightness: 52, custom 3D: 53

Contrast: 63

Color: 43, custom 3D: 44

Tint: 0

Sharpness: 0

Advanced Picture:

Color Temperature: Normal

Black Detail: Off

Smart Dimming: On

Smooth Motion Effect: custom Cal., Dark Cal.: Low, Film: Off, custom Sports/Animation, custom 3D, custom Game: High

Reduce Signal Noise: Off

Reduce Block Noise: Off

Film Mode: Auto

Professional Picture:

Color Tuner:

Ursa's previous Color Tuner Offset and Gain settings:

Red Offset: 1

Green Offset: 2

Blue Offset: 1

Red Gain: 8

Green Gain: 6

Blue Gain: 10

My Tint adjustment:

Cyan Hue: -5

Magenta Hue: -5

Red/Green/Blue: Hue/Saturation/Brightness: 0

cnet's 11-point white balance (for 2014 M-series):

[Gain amounts for Red, Green and Blue]

5%: 10, -1, 1

10%: 16, 8, 39

20%: 3, 1, 24

30%: -8, -6, -7

40%: -24, -23, -6

50%: -48, -39, -31

60%: -50, -50, -36

70%: -50, -50, -34

80%: -50, -50, -39

90%: -42, -45, -50

100%: 0, -10, 0

Audio:

TV Speakers: On

Surround Sound: On

Volume Leveling: Off

Digital Audio Out: Bitstream

Analog Audio Out: Fixed

Equalizer:

Audio Mode: Flat/Custom

100Hz : 6

300Hz: 6

1KHz: 0

3KHz: 3

10KHZ: 4
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I had Vizio send me a replacement remote like two weeks ago, and just like you, the new one felt WAY more responsive. As I noted a few pages back, my old remote said it was on FW V22/V22 and the new remote says FW V45. Also, the new remote has a much dimmer backlight whereas the old one was incredibly bright. Hopefully that allows for slower battery drain.
How did you get Vizio to send you a new remote? I've tried emailing them regarding me needing a new remote but they keep giving me the runaround. Thanks for any info.
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How did you get Vizio to send you a new remote? I've tried emailing them regarding me needing a new remote but they keep giving me the runaround. Thanks for any info.
All I did was contact their live support. The person asked me to provide my serial number and date of purchase, then he had me try a few things to fix my remote (I had to really mash the buttons to get them to register). After the suggestions he gave did not work, he said they'd send me a replacement. I had my new remote like four days later. They were a breeze to deal with.
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All I did was contact their live support. The person asked me to provide my serial number and date of purchase, then he had me try a few things to fix my remote (I had to really mash the buttons to get them to register). After the suggestions he gave did not work, he said they'd send me a replacement. I had my new remote like four days later. They were a breeze to deal with.
Ok I will try your approach lets see if it works. Thank you!
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Ok I will try your approach lets see if it works. Thank you!
in my experience with these remotes it seems the batteries that they come with suck or get drained very quickly, possibly due to the backlit buttons. i use rechargeable batteries in mine and the remote works fine. hopefully this helps, but for me the batteries seem to be the most likely cause of intermittent issues of the remote functioning and sometimes not working at all.
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in my experience with these remotes it seems the batteries that they come with suck or get drained very quickly, possibly due to the backlit buttons. i use rechargeable batteries in mine and the remote works fine. hopefully this helps, but for me the batteries seem to be the most likely cause of intermittent issues of the remote functioning and sometimes not working at all.
The newer remotes have a MUCH dimmer backlight than the first wave of remotes. The replacement I got doesn't go through batteries nearly as fast most likely because of it.
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I have model M601d-a3r from last year. If anyone has the best calibration settings for this specific model please post them I would appreciate it. Thanks!
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I have model M601d-a3r from last year. If anyone has the best calibration settings for this specific model please post them I would appreciate it. Thanks!
Try the settings from URSA99 on the previous page.
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does ursa's setting applicable to 50" model?? if not what is the best setting for watching movies and gaming since the firmware was upgraded all my calibrations reset to default
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in my experience with these remotes it seems the batteries that they come with suck or get drained very quickly, possibly due to the backlit buttons. i use rechargeable batteries in mine and the remote works fine. hopefully this helps, but for me the batteries seem to be the most likely cause of intermittent issues of the remote functioning and sometimes not working at all.
I don't know. When I first got the on-screen pop-up saying my batteries were low, I changed them to Duracell and all seemed well...for about 2 weeks. After 6 months, I've probably changed the batteries around 6-8 times, which seems way too often. I'll admit that I often tweak the picture, but that's all I use the remote for. I may have to speak to live help and get the updated unit.

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I don't know. When I first got the on-screen pop-up saying my batteries were low, I changed them to Duracell and all seemed well...for about 2 weeks. After 6 months, I've probably changed the batteries around 6-8 times, which seems way too often. I'll admit that I often tweak the picture, but that's all I use the remote for. I may have to speak to live help and get the updated unit.
The batteries im using are rechargeable which means they're NIMH-(nickel metal hydride) batteries instead of alkaline. they last a lot longer than when i had Duracell or any other alkaline battery in it, and i typically use my remote moderately just to switch between sources and picture settings i haven't changed batteries in about 3 months. when i first got the set the remote was very problematic. i was experiencing typical connectivity issues and it just not wanting to work all the time. When i switched to these batteries which i have a ton of and it worked flawlessly. if the new remote has the qwerty keyboard on the back i would definitely get that one, but since i don't plan on keeping this set long its not an issue.
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The batteries im using are rechargeable which means they're NIMH-(nickel metal hydride) batteries instead of alkaline. they last a lot longer than when i had Duracell or any other alkaline battery in it, and i typically use my remote moderately just to switch between sources and picture settings i haven't changed batteries in about 3 months. when i first got the set the remote was very problematic. i was experiencing typical connectivity issues and it just not wanting to work all the time. When i switched to these batteries which i have a ton of and it worked flawlessly. if the new remote has the qwerty keyboard on the back i would definitely get that one, but since i don't plan on keeping this set long its not an issue.
Yeah, I think I meant to say that new/quality replacement batteries have had the same quick drain problems as the original ones (which shouldn't happen). The other possibility is that the battery level sensoris giving a false reading. I had such a large cache of AA's that I didn't really care, but now I do. I may convert to rechargeable, but that doesn't really address the "problem", it just delays it.

To be honest, I want the qwerty back also.

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M501d-A2R settings

Latest attempt on M501d-A2R settings. (Sony BDP-S5100 outputting RGB and Spears & Munsil 2. Results using the YCbCr options yielded inferior performance to RGB on the Spears & Munsil Colorspace Evaluation pattern.) I forgot to capture the full version number on the Vizio, but it is the 1.34 version. I did a factory reset just prior to this. Even after the factory reset, the picture still comes up with odd coloring such as green/purple flesh tone hues and reduced color intensity until the top banner disappears after the TV is first turned on.

Grayscale was left at defaults, as CNET's calibration report for the M551d-A2R shows good RGB balance and grayscale results pre-calibration, with the pre-calibration actually being better at 100IRE, and more uniform across the scale than the post-calibration, although with a very slightly higher overall dE. Based on their report, the variances between pre and post calibration appear to be so small as to be imperceptible. Whether the post firmware update default grayscale is the same as the pre firmware update default grayscale is debatable (as I don't have equipment to accurately measure it). Hopefully there was no change made.

The CMS options are still confusing to me. This time I tried to correct the color setting patterns using only the color brightness controls, rather than using the hue controls for the secondary colors. I'm uncertain if this is correct, although the results appear correct based upon the color test patterns for red green and blue. If the Vizio is a wide gamut display, meaning that it uses primary colors that are saturated beyond rec. 709 specs and then uses the CMS to compensate, my methodology for setting the color and hue controls, as well as the CMS controls may be incorrect. However this would also likely make the blue only (as well as the red and green only) options pointless, as none of display's primary colors would ever be displayed alone when reproducing a rec. 709 (HDTV) image. Mixing of the primary colors would always be necessary in order to desaturate the primary colors to rec. 709 specs.

Does anyone know for sure if the Vizio M series used rec. 709 primaries, or if it is a wide-gamut display?

In any case, I'm quite satisfied with the image and color quality for Blu-ray discs. I copied these settings for the internal ATSC receiver, and the results while watching OTA TV seem more questionable. This may be an indication that the Sony BDP-S5100 chroma output is above standard (which I experienced with a BDP-S1).
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