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post #10261 of 10416 Old 01-19-2015, 12:57 AM
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The main board was replaced in mine and now it barely responds to the remote, when i try to turn it on. It takes a while to actually turn on when i push the power button... when it comes on the remote works perfectly fine. i dont have the tv connect to the internet and the remote is perfectly fine. time to call vizio again
This is the type of crap you are going to run into when some numb nut comes to your home and lays your tv flat on it's face on the floor and tears it open to replace a perfectly fine board with a more then likely refurbished or some crap board.

I have told my local guy I will not let him open my TV ... that this is complete BS and I want a firmware update to fix the issue ... SINCE THAT'S THE ACTUAL ISSUE Not The board!!!

The more time that goes on the more pissed I am at Vizio for not correcting a major issue right away ... but I expected this ... still very disappointed with them for the first time in over a decade.
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I have an M401i-A3 that was unplugged from WiFi for a while.
When it connected to WiFi, it immediately updated firmware to 1.60.10-004.0080
and now the set is totally unresponsive to the remote or the button on the TV.

Only way to get in to the menu is to unplug it and then, immediately when plugging
back in, turn it on and get into the menu and disconnect WiFi by resetting to factory defaults.

Set works fine when disconnected from WiFi, but as soon as it is
connected, it freezes and acts like a monitor, totally unresponsive...



I wonder if Vizio is really still sending 1.60xxx or was your set already 'in a queue' prior to you disconnection the WiFi? Hence, the 'immediate' update when connecting back to the Internet? I mean, what are the odds of reconnection just as Vizio is pushing an update to your TV?

Anyone else have thoughts on this?

BTW, I have had my WiFi on and off since September, so did I miss the the update and/or had Vizio stopped updating to 1.60xxx by now?

The way I disconnect my WiFi access to the Net is to click on WPS then either press 'Back' or 'Cancel' out.
To go back online - press WPS and go to my router and push the WPS button.

Another method if you only have WiFi for the TV and nothing else or rarely another device for WiFi use, is to simply turn-off the wireless router.
I have used this method before, as I have my computer directly connected to the back of the router.




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I wonder if Vizio is really still sending 1.60xxx or was your set already 'in a queue' prior to you disconnection the WiFi? Hence, the 'immediate' update when connecting back to the Internet? I mean, what are the odds of reconnection just as Vizio is pushing an update to your TV?

Anyone else have thoughts on this?

BTW, I have had my WiFi on and off since September, so did I miss the the update and/or had Vizio stopped updating to 1.60xxx by now?

The way I disconnect my WiFi access to the Net is to click on WPS then either press 'Back' or 'Cancel' out.
To go back online - press WPS and go to my router and push the WPS button.

Another method if you only have WiFi for the TV and nothing else or rarely another device for WiFi use, is to simply turn-off the wireless router.
I have used this method before, as I have my computer directly connected to the back of the router.




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It's entirely possible that the update was downloaded but never applied when the TV was disconnected. Anyway, I will find out next week when the replacement set arrives. I will try and update and see if anything downloads.
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Hey all new to the board joined bc I have had problems with my 50 in m series since beginning of December. After the firmware update my blues where very neon and had no definition to them. They sent out a tech n of course he replaced the motherboard. We'll guess what that wasn't the problem after countless pictures sent and hours on the phone with a customer service rep I'm getting a new 55in tomorrow. I'm just wandering if I should hook it up to the wifi bc I really don't want that damn firmware update. I'll let every1 know how it goes tomorrow.
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Sure hope Vizio pulls their head out and does something soon with these firmware issues, since 1.34 our 40 has seen a definite degradation in picture quality.
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Leave it unplugged ... I would wait and watch the boards to find out when the new firmware (IF EVER) gets released ... then update.

I wish there was more wrong with my TV so I could get a replacement.
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What video file formats does the VIA multimedia app support? I bought a Canon HF-R50 and the Vizio can't see the AVCHD videos, can list but not play the MP4 videos, and can display the JPG pictures via it's built in wireless media server. My PS3 can only play the MP4 videos, and my PC using Media Player can see and play ALL. Everything is connected via the same wireless AP.
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Waiting on a Box to send mine back

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Leave it unplugged ... I would wait and watch the boards to find out when the new firmware (IF EVER) gets released ... then update.

I wish there was more wrong with my TV so I could get a replacement.
My 70 is having all the same issues most of you are seeing since the new firmware, but mine also has 2 small areas where it seems the backlights won't turn off. I notice them because I know they're there, but no one else in the house has complained.

Vizio support asked for photos, which I sent even tho they were hard to see. Also sent a video which was a bit easier with the moving background to see the stationary brightness. Bottom line they offered to replace the set with the new 70" 4K model, or a full refund of my July 2013 purchase price from Costco. I was going to take the upgrade until I saw that Costco just dropped the price of the 70" P702ui-B3 4K to $2000! That's $200 less than I paid for my M70, so now I am waiting on a shipping box they are sending me to pack the old girl up and send her back. I'm up in the air as to what 4K 65 or 70 inch TV to buy next, it seems they all have their flaws and quality issues, but at least Vizio has been responsive to my problems, so I am leaning towards sticking with them.

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What video file formats does the VIA multimedia app support? I bought a Canon HF-R50 and the Vizio can't see the AVCHD videos, can list but not play the MP4 videos, and can display the JPG pictures via it's built in wireless media server. My PS3 can only play the MP4 videos, and my PC using Media Player can see and play ALL. Everything is connected via the same wireless AP.
The "official" Vizio DNLA list is attached below, though I've had video files that are listed as acceptable not play. When that happens I run the files through Handbrake to convert them to .m4v files and they stream fine. Just make sure to adjust the "Picture Settings" if need be to retain the original aspect ratio.
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At least they must have stopped sending out the update. I thought I had disconnected my 65" M-series from the internet but discovered i had not. It's still on 1.34

Now that I've watched more on my 70" recently (Go Bucks!), the issues are becoming increasingly annoying. I may call Vizio but I am beyond the first year and into my Costco Concierge extension. I won't let them come and replace a board. I allowed that years ago in the first generation sets and what a mistake. I have let them ship me replacements but it's been "early after purchase" and I've always received NIB. They once sent me a refurb (serial number in info had an R or maybe on the box). They made it right by shipping a new.

Any comments on the 2nd year warranty provided by Costco? Is it just a formality to Vizio?
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THX, that says they should play. I'll look if ALL the parameters match.

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So got my new 55in M series today haven't hooked it up to wifi yet prob not going to until they issue a new firmware update. Quick question the way my room is set up the optimal picture setting is vivid, is there a way to soften the blues I don't want to go into Profesinal picture and start messing with things I don't understand lol. Any help will be appreciated thanks.
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So got my new 55in M series today haven't hooked it up to wifi yet prob not going to until they issue a new firmware update. Quick question the way my room is set up the optimal picture setting is vivid, is there a way to soften the blues I don't want to go into Profesinal picture and start messing with things I don't understand lol. Any help will be appreciated thanks.
Vivid is never the optimal setting, NEVER. Use either Calibratird or Calibrated Dark. Since you said Vivid is what you thought of as optimal I would say go with the default Calibrated option.
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Thanks I tried calibrated ands it pretty dull n sort of dark. Why is vivid never good to use. Sorry for being so TV illiterate thanks for the help
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Thanks I tried calibrated ands it pretty dull n sort of dark. Why is vivid never good to use. Sorry for being so TV illiterate thanks for the help
Because the blues are messed up, lol

Vivid is the way over bright, crazy colored mode they use in electronics stores to get your attention from across the room.

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Got ya. Thanks for the reply anything I can do to brighten up calibrated mode. Thanks
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Thanks I tried calibrated and it's pretty dull and sort of dark.

Why is vivid never good to use?




The 'Calibrated' preset is a good starting point. When you are in one of these presets, any adjustment you make automatically puts you in a Custom setting mode. You can have up to 8 Custom Modes per Input.

The Calibrated Setting uses the 'Normal' Color Temperature - so, it'll 'back off' the 'Cold' blues for you. You can then adjust the Contrast, Brightness, Backlight, etc as needed. You'll now have a "Custom Picture Mode 1" along with the TV's built-in presets.

You can also start out and create a Custom Picture Mode from scratch. See you User Manual in the Menu screen or:


http://Support.Vizio.com/product/m552i-b2






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Thanks I tried calibrated ands it pretty dull n sort of dark. Why is vivid never good to use. Sorry for being so TV illiterate thanks for the help
What you think of as dull and dark is actually more accurate to what the image is supposed to look like. You are just going off of "what you think looks good". A terrible mistake. I am a certified calibration specialist and have various text patterns and equipment that reproduce images that I examine to see what gives the closest to reference picture quality.

That said Vivid is made to give the TV more what we say POP! It that's not what the content creators want you to see. You may think you are gaining detail but in actuality you are losing detail.

That said even the Calibrated modes are not perfect but they are far closer than any other mode. You can improve them by first lowering the sharpness to 1 or 0. Yup insaid 1 or 0 you may think wow the image looks dull and softer than Vivid already why would I lower it. But the truth always comes back to just cause it seems better doesn't mean it right.

Hope this simple explanation helps.
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i have a m601d-a3 a month or so ago its firmware updated to v1.60.10-004.0090 and all my settings went to pot. since this is a year+ ago model, nobody is talking about it anymore and furthermore a lot of the selections seem to have changed since the boards were last updated.

cut to the chase... ursa99.... or anyone else who has perfected their settings for this set, if you have all your current settings handy it would be immensely appreciated. thanks a billion!
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What you think of as dull and dark is actually more accurate to what the image is supposed to look like. You are just going off of "what you think looks good". A terrible mistake. I am a certified calibration specialist and have various text patterns and equipment that reproduce images that I examine to see what gives the closest to reference picture quality.

That said Vivid is made to give the TV more what we say POP! It that's not what the content creators want you to see. You may think you are gaining detail but in actuality you are losing detail.

That said even the Calibrated modes are not perfect but they are far closer than any other mode. You can improve them by first lowering the sharpness to 1 or 0. Yup insaid 1 or 0 you may think wow the image looks dull and softer than Vivid already why would I lower it. But the truth always comes back to just cause it seems better doesn't mean it right.

Hope this simple explanation helps.
Am I correct in this thinking? The "named" modes on the TV such as vivid or calibrated can be duplicated on a different "named" mode by changing all the adjustments to mimic the original one? There is nothing special being added in calibrated mode that is not being added in standard mode. It is just different settings for brightness, contrast, etc. Correct?
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Am I correct in this thinking? The "named" modes on the TV such as vivid or calibrated can be duplicated on a different "named" mode by changing all the adjustments to mimic the original one? There is nothing special being added in calibrated mode that is not being added in standard mode. It is just different settings for brightness, contrast, etc. Correct?
Incorrect, the calibrated mode uses a different default color temp and color management system. It will provide you with more accurate colors and white point that are closer to reference vs the other modes.
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Not sure but I think he may be asking if the modes can be "replicated" and if that's the case, I believe the process described of selecting ANY preset mode, changing something and then saving it as a custom mode can be done. If that's not what he means, shame on me

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Incorrect, the calibrated mode uses a different default color temp and color management system. It will provide you with more accurate colors and white point that are closer to reference vs the other modes.
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Not sure but I think he may be asking if the modes can be "replicated" and if that's the case, I believe the process described of selecting ANY preset mode, changing something and then saving it as a custom mode can be done. If that's not what he means, shame on me
You may be correct in thinking that is what he means. However if you do not have a meter you will not be able to duplicate the defaul CMS from calibrated mode to the standard mode since they are both different but set to all 0's. Can you dig that?
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You may be correct in thinking that is what he means. However if you do not have a meter you will not be able to duplicate the defaul CMS from calibrated mode to the standard mode since they are both different but set to all 0's. Can you dig that?

Replicating... that is indeed what I meant. Take the setting numbers on "calibrated" and use them on "standard" to get the same picture. But you are saying that is not true due to the color temp and CMS.


But my next question is "Is color temp 'normal' the same on standard as on calibrated? And you are saying the zeros on the CMS are different from one picture setting to the next?


Please forgive my ignorance on the issue. I have never seen this written before. I was always taking posted settings online here or CNET and just changing them on whatever picture mode popped up = mostly "standard", then tweaking it a bit. But based on your posts, I think I may get a better picture if I actually start on the "calibrated" mode. Is that correct?


When this firmware fiasco is solved, I really have to get this professionally calibrated....
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So the confusing part is the way you suggest "combining the presets". I think I maybe sort of understand but try this. Write down all the settings for the presets that "interest you". Take the one closest to your liking, make a change and save it to one of the custom picture modes.

NOW, take what you've written down and change anything you like in that custom picture mode and you've created you new profile.

To my knowledge ALL data is changeable in ALL presets so in theory you can make changes to make two presets the same but you can't save them anyplace other than the custom picture modes.

Does that help? Did I get close to your question?

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Replicating... that is indeed what I meant. Take the setting numbers on "calibrated" and use them on "standard" to get the same picture. But you are saying that is not true due to the color temp and CMS.


But my next question is "Is color temp 'normal' the same on standard as on calibrated? And you are saying the zeros on the CMS are different from one picture setting to the next?


Please forgive my ignorance on the issue. I have never seen this written before. I was always taking posted settings online here or CNET and just changing them on whatever picture mode popped up = mostly "standard", then tweaking it a bit. But based on your posts, I think I may get a better picture if I actually start on the "calibrated" mode. Is that correct?


When this firmware fiasco is solved, I really have to get this professionally calibrated....
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Replicating... that is indeed what I meant. Take the setting numbers on "calibrated" and use them on "standard" to get the same picture. But you are saying that is not true due to the color temp and CMS.


But my next question is "Is color temp 'normal' the same on standard as on calibrated? And you are saying the zeros on the CMS are different from one picture setting to the next?


Please forgive my ignorance on the issue. I have never seen this written before. I was always taking posted settings online here or CNET and just changing them on whatever picture mode popped up = mostly "standard", then tweaking it a bit. But based on your posts, I think I may get a better picture if I actually start on the "calibrated" mode. Is that correct?


When this firmware fiasco is solved, I really have to get this professionally calibrated....
That is correct your picture will not be the same as if copying settings from one made to the next. As I stated do to the default color temp and CMS being different despite that them reading 0. That is why you get a totally different looking image in each.

The color temp if applied to another setting will be close but still off. Since color temp is also affected by the over all CMS so it will it be the same.

Calibrating and image is more complex than you know. I understand why you may like one setting over the next. It may seem more true to life or to POP more. But the thing is you have no idea what the image is supposed to look like in the beginning get it. A lot of people don't like a true reference image at first cause it seems dull, dark and soft. But after watching it for a while then going back to a mode like Vivid of Standard you will understand why calibration is necessary.

But at the end of the day go with what you like to look at. But of you want the closest to the directors intentions start and stay wishing the calibrated presets.
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I bought my 55" M series full array through vizio since the stores hadn't had them yet. I paid $1000 shipped for it ($200 more than they are at walmart or bestbuy)
I get REALLY bad banding in games like GTA V but not so bad on my PC or other games. When I look in a bright blue sky in any of my games (BF4, Watch Dogs, GTA V) theres banding everywhere
the PQ is great and I love this set but the banding is bad. Vizio customer support is garbage too I tried to return it multiple times due to scratches on the tv upon arrival and bezel bending and now this (also noticed that there were black specks behind the screen all over it) because apparently bugs can fly behind the screen and die (never heard of thi suntil now?!!) I thought they were dead pixels but upon further inspection it was dead bugs. (I live in maine and in the summer mosquito are terrible so I can't really prevent this. they need to make a more sealed TV.)

So now I have a bent bezel, scratches from shipping, terrible banding and like 10 dead flies behind the screen and vizio won't take it back without charging me 15% restock fee and $100 shipping (So basically $250) I told them to shove it.

Last time I'll be buying through vizio. Wasted $1000 so now I have to go out and buy a new one from walmart and hope I have better luck.
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That is correct your picture will not be the same as if copying settings from one made to the next. As I stated do to the default color temp and CMS being different despite that them reading 0. That is why you get a totally different looking image in each.

The color temp if applied to another setting will be close but still off. Since color temp is also affected by the over all CMS so it will it be the same.

Calibrating and image is more complex than you know. I understand why you may like one setting over the next. It may seem more true to life or to POP more. But the thing is you have no idea what the image is supposed to look like in the beginning get it. A lot of people don't like a true reference image at first cause it seems dull, dark and soft. But after watching it for a while then going back to a mode like Vivid of Standard you will understand why calibration is necessary.

But at the end of the day go with what you like to look at. But of you want the closest to the directors intentions start and stay wishing the calibrated presets.

PlayNice, thank you for the explanation. That is why I love reading these boards. I always seem to learn something new.


BTW, I re-connected my Ethernet to my TV after they replaced my motherboard. It has been close to a month, and it is still showing FW 1.34. Perhaps they stopped sending out the 1.60 update?
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PlayNice, thank you for the explanation. That is why I love reading these boards. I always seem to learn something new.


BTW, I re-connected my Ethernet to my TV after they replaced my motherboard. It has been close to a month, and it is still showing FW 1.34. Perhaps they stopped sending out the 1.60 update?
On my 60" I got the 1.60 update about a month ago but on my 50" it is still at 1.34 so was hoping they have stopped sending it out but others are still getting it

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This is the type of crap you are going to run into when some numb nut comes to your home and lays your tv flat on it's face on the floor and tears it open to replace a perfectly fine board with a more then likely refurbished or some crap board.

I have told my local guy I will not let him open my TV ... that this is complete BS and I want a firmware update to fix the issue ... SINCE THAT'S THE ACTUAL ISSUE Not The board!!!

The more time that goes on the more pissed I am at Vizio for not correcting a major issue right away ... but I expected this ... still very disappointed with them for the first time in over a decade.
yes i wish i had denied it and now my set is having issues. Vizio isn't being very helpful as well with getting it fixed, im just going to cut my losses and no longer buy from them. I don't have time to chase them back and forth to get them to do the right thing.
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