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I am considering the Sony 60R550a priced at $1750 and coming out mid April (this month) OR the Vizio 60” Razor LED Smart TV w/Theater 3D (M601d) – $1,599.99 Retail Price. What the vizio actually prices at who know but I need a date.
They seem comparable.
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I've already sent back two E701's because of flash lighting and clouding issues. So I am anxious to see if the new M701 will use the same screen as the E Series. A couple of other questions I will be looking at. #1 is this a real 240Hz or a tricked out 120Hz like most other manufactures are using?

I could be wrong but clouding and flashlighting aren't necessarily caused by the screen or panel version. It's more of a quality control issue and lack of dimming software. I know it's two different sets but Samsung used the TS01 Panel/Screen on the ES8000 that exhibited terrible light-bleed. The F8000 uses the same TS01 Panel without Uniformity issues. Both Edge-lit with Local/Micro Dimming. Last years Vizio (M3D550KD) had 240Hz SPS that was just a gimmick as it was only 120Hz. Don't quote me on this but I believe the M-Series are true 240Hz.

I've never actually had an edge-lit local dimmer other than the M3D550KD but it had a crazy lighting effect in dark/darker scenes caused by the backlight (local dimming). Is this the norm with edge-lit local dimmers or was mine defective?
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Also waiting for the 65" or 70". I had a 60" and it seemed too small at almost 10' viewing distance. I hope this TV shines.

Although I must say, it looks like all the screens are very glossy. I hope it isn't super reflective but I don't see how it couldn't be since supposedly the front is all glass. redface.gif

Just really wanna start seeing this in stores so I can check them out!
From what I've read, the only screen size that is not matte is the 65". It's the same screen at the current M-Series 65" 3D tv, which is apparently extremely reflective. Sucks because the 65" is the size I am most interested in (of course). Although my current viewing habits are mainly during the evening, I don't want an extremely reflective screen, just in case. If the actual price in-store is lower than the MSRP though, I may just go for the 70".
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Yeah, it's hard to say since there's so little information on the M series right now.

I've just been watching the few videos that are out there. This one that I was referring to; it doesn't look like a matte screen but also maybe this was the only one that didn't have a matte screen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wkhDsBUgno
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Yeah, it's hard to say since there's so little information on the M series right now.

I've just been watching the few videos that are out there. This one that I was referring to; it doesn't look like a matte screen but also maybe this was the only one that didn't have a matte screen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wkhDsBUgno

Here is the quote from Katzmaier on CNET.
"Vizio also mentioned that like all of its 65-inch passive 3D TVs, the 65-inch M651d will have the glass pattern retarder finish, which results in the glossy screen we disliked so much on models like the M3D651SV. The other 3D sizes will have a matte or at least semi-gloss film pattern retarder, like the M3D0KD, while the smaller non-3D sets will be straight matte."

There's your answer smile.gif
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Awesome. From what I can see it looks like it's leaning much more toward semi-gloss than matte.

But I'm just uselessly speculating, wasting time talking about something I want to see get released!
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Man, I couldn't hold out and bought the Sharp LC-70LE847U for $2188 shipped from ECTVs. Might have been a mistake to not wait, but I still don't have a TV and didn't want to wait forever.

Also, I think in 3 years we will all be looking at 4k TVs, maybe not in the 70" range, but who knows!

Good luck to those of you waiting!
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Man, I couldn't hold out and bought the Sharp LC-70LE847U for $2188 shipped from ECTVs. Might have been a mistake to not wait, but I still don't have a TV and didn't want to wait forever.

Also, I think in 3 years we will all be looking at 4k TVs, maybe not in the 70" range, but who knows!

Good luck to those of you waiting!

Good luck with that Sharp ... I bought 70" Costco model and it was Horrible.

But hopefully this is a different model you bought and it's better.

But after that Sharp I got I will Never buy a TV from them again.
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Good luck with that Sharp ... I bought 70" Costco model and it was Horrible.

But hopefully this is a different model you bought and it's better.

But after that Sharp I got I will Never buy a TV from them again.

Do you recall the model at all?

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/sharp-lc-70le650/4505-6482_7-35636583.html

CNET just did a review on the revamped Sharp 640 (now the 650) and it got a decent score. This will be the main competition for me against the Vizio M (or E if the M isn't worth it). I'm looking at good, budget 70" LEDs.
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I believe the Costco/Sam's Club model is the 600U which was reviewed worse than the newer ones. The 650U is on my short list for TV's in the 70" range.

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I believe the Costco/Sam's Club model is the 600U which was reviewed worse than the newer ones. The 650U is on my short list for TV's in the 70" range.

Costco sells the full line (6-8 series) and they all get "average" reviews. It's never been a great TV, unless you got a 3x the price "Elite" model.

But, for about $2200 new, shipped, and here next week, I just couldn't pass up on it. Also, mine does not come with 3D glasses, but they are about $30 on Amazon.

I'll probably just get one and see how they do.

No matter what, waiting longer results in cheaper TVs, but I just didn't want to wait longer. I'm sad I'm missing out on the cool new bezels though.

Good luck to you guys and your purchases.
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Looks like Sam's only has the 600U so obviously Costco has the better selection. We don't have those around here. frown.gif I'm not in a rush so I'll continue to wait for the M series to release to compare to the Sharps.

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Can you guys recommend a good 60" or 65" Passive 3d HDTV. I've been eying 65” VIZIO Razor LED 1080p 240Hz Smart HDTV w/ Theater 3D Model: M3D651SV but curious if the new models releasing soon will carry the prices below the current $1598?

60” Razor LED Smart TV w/Theater 3D (M601d) – $1,599.99 Retail Price
65” Razor LED Smart TV w/Theater 3D (M651d) – $1,999.99 Retail Price

Wonder if you can bypass the Wifi remote? What about people that have Harmony One remote that don't care about a remote that is wifi?
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We could be looking a a second half delivery for the Vizio Mxx1i HDTVs. There are two interesting articles and one interesting web page. The first article is from Today's (April 11, 2013) Taipei Times and the second one is from today's Digitimes. AmTran Technology of Taiwan is Vizio's HDTV manufacturer. Am Tran Technology has two main panel suppliers: LG of South Korea and Au Optronics of Taiwan. My guess is that the LG panels go into the E series and the AU Optronics panels go into the M series. However AUO says its panels are limited to 65". It could be that either AUO has not updated its website or that Visio has another source for the 70" and 80" HDTV.

The Tapei Times Article:

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/biz/archives/2013/04/11/2003559301

Amtran Technology which makes flat-screen TVs for Vizio Inc, yesterday reported 41 percent growth in revenue for last month because of higher shipments.

Amtran shipped 220,000 units of TVs and monitors last month, surging 46 percent from 150,000 units in February, company spokesman Scottie Chiu said Shipments are expected to grow by “double-digit percentage” this quarter from last quarter’s 670,000 units, he added.

Demand “looks okay in the second quarter,” Amtran chairman Alpha Wu said, adding that a stronger rebound would occur in the second half, supported by new orders and seasonal demand.

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20130411PD208.html?mod=3&q=VIZIO

Panel industry yet to be affected by rising tensions in Korea, says Amtran chairman
Julian Ho, Taipei; Jackie Chang, DIGITIMES [Thursday 11 April 2013]

The panel industry has yet to be affected by rising tensions between North and South Korea, according to Amtran chairman Alpha Wu

Vizio, a TV brand invested in by Amtran, plans to introduce new direct-lit LED TVs and the main panel supplier is LG Display. Wu noted that the firm still has 3-6 weeks of inventory, hence the tensions will not pose immediate impact on the industry.

Wu believes the overall LCD TV market will show flat growth in the first half but will see slight growth in the second half of 2013.

Wu stated that in the past, 32-inch was the mainstream but now products above 42-inch have become more popular. Wu is optimistic about demand for 50-55 inch LCD TVs. Amtran plans to introduce large-size, high resolution Ultra HD (4Kx2K) products in second-half 2013. Although Japan- and China-based TV brands will introduce Ultra HD TVs in the first half of 2013, commercialization is likely to take off in second-half 2013, said Wu.

Vizio plans to introduce new products for its E-series LCD TV product line and targets shipments to reach 100,000 units in Taiwan. Direct-lit LED TVs currently account for 50% of all Vizio products. Vizio continues to adopt panels from AU Optronics (AUO) for its side-lit LED TVs.

From the Au Optronics web site:

http://www.auo.com/?sn=135&lang=en-US

Innovative Display Technologies, High Value-Added Product Portfolios
By means of innovative technologies, AUO offers advanced display total solutions covering 4K by 2K ultra high resolution, 3D, ultra slim, narrow bezel, transparent displays, LTPS, OLED, and touch solutions. Fabrication plants from Gen 3.5, Gen 4, Gen 4.5, Gen 5, Gen 6, Gen 7.5 to Gen 8.5 have been established to develop a full lineup of applications, offering TFT-LCD panels in sizes ranging from 1.5 inches to 65 inches.
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Can you guys recommend a good 60" or 65" Passive 3d HDTV. I've been eying 65” VIZIO Razor LED 1080p 240Hz Smart HDTV w/ Theater 3D Model: M3D651SV but curious if the new models releasing soon will carry the prices below the current $1598?

60” Razor LED Smart TV w/Theater 3D (M601d) – $1,599.99 Retail Price
65” Razor LED Smart TV w/Theater 3D (M651d) – $1,999.99 Retail Price

Wonder if you can bypass the Wifi remote? What about people that have Harmony One remote that don't care about a remote that is wifi?

I've been waiting on that 60" by am a little nervous about the release date for a few reasons:

  1. the only info released was back in January, where CNET noted a Q1 release. Q1 has come and gone and there hasn't been a whisper
  2. the vizio e601i-a3 was "just" released by in November. while this one has 3D, it seems pretty fast to release the "newer" model. unless of course, they will continue to carry both TVs

Since I don't have a TV in my new apartment (decided to not spend the time hooking up my projector. Infocus X9 if anyone wants it!), I'm getting anxious waiting for the M-Series and might just bite the bullet on the e601i-a3. Reviews of the newer models (those manufactured in 2013) have been pretty favorable.
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Can you guys recommend a good 60" or 65" Passive 3d HDTV. I've been eying 65” VIZIO Razor LED 1080p 240Hz Smart HDTV w/ Theater 3D Model: M3D651SV but curious if the new models releasing soon will carry the prices below the current $1598?

60” Razor LED Smart TV w/Theater 3D (M601d) – $1,599.99 Retail Price
65” Razor LED Smart TV w/Theater 3D (M651d) – $1,999.99 Retail Price

Wonder if you can bypass the Wifi remote? What about people that have Harmony One remote that don't care about a remote that is wifi?

There is a dedicated thread for the 2012 M3D651SV model here: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1439520/official-vizio-m3d651sv-owners-thread

I understand the 2013 65inch M- series will use the same screen as the 2012 model, so you might want to read some of the comments concerning the screen.

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I read about the glossy screen on the owners forum which I am ok with it as my current panny plasma is glossy no issues. I've been reading and searching across past few days it appears my only choices are Vizio, LG and Toshiba for passive 3d TV's with 60+ screen
Vizio for some reason is good bith cheaper then LG and Toshiba. Price and size being priorities for me.
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might just bite the bullet on the e601i-a3. Reviews of the newer models (those manufactured in 2013) have been pretty favorable.

I'd jump on the e601i-a3 but its missing 3d which is something I want in my next tv.
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I'd jump on the e601i-a3 but its missing 3d which is something I want in my next tv.

I know! Me 2. But honestly, I'm not a huge movie watcher, so that leaves video games and sports. PS4 has already indicated 3D is not a focus. And very few sports are in 3D. and yet I still want it.
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I've been reading and searching across past few days it appears my only choices are Vizio, LG and Toshiba for passive 3d TV's with 60+ screen
Vizio for some reason is good bith cheaper then LG and Toshiba. Price and size being priorities for me.

The soon to release Sony R550A series will be passive 3D and comes in 50", 60", and 70".
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The soon to release Sony R550A series will be passive 3D and comes in 50", 60", and 70".

I read about that too. I keep hearing the PQ won't be as good as the w802 or w900a though. It also doesn't have local dimming but "frame-dimming" which can't be that great if it's anything like CE Dimming on the Samsung Sets that many complain about.
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I read about that too. I keep hearing the PQ won't be as good as the w802 or w900a though. It also doesn't have local dimming but "frame-dimming" which can't be that great if it's anything like CE Dimming on the Samsung Sets that many complain about.

Plus Sony seems to charge an arm and leg for their products even though there are no that great. I bet the sony tv will start at mid 2K for 60 inch
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Well guys, I just got a brand new 70" 847 from Sharp (East Coast TVs, $2100 and 3 day delivery!) and I couldn't be happier. Yeah it's not the newest TV, but it looks great.

I just couldn't wait anymore. Hope you guys do end up getting something great too, I'm out of this thread!
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Well guys, I just got a brand new 70" 847 from Sharp (East Coast TVs, $2100 and 3 day delivery!) and I couldn't be happier. Yeah it's not the newest TV, but it looks great.

I just couldn't wait anymore. Hope you guys do end up getting something great too, I'm out of this thread!

Glad to hear the picture quality is good. With mediocre performance according to reviews on the 847 I shouldn't be disappointed with whatever I choose.
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Argggh frustrated, So I went to Best Buy today they only had one 3d TV to demo a 55 inch LG 3d tv. I was purposely looking at details and watched some demo's and could see tiny black line on the images, is this the issue with passive 3d ? or is this because I was 5 feet from the TV.? Or does Best buy suck ad demoing stuff ? The sales guy was least bit interesting in answering. I went to HHgregs later today and watched a 70 inch Sharp LC-70LE847U Active 3d TV, looked amazing and didn't bother my eyes for the 5-10 minutes I watched Cloudy with chance of meatballs no lines between the images. Now I am completely confused on going active or passive 3d.

PS Both the HHGreg and Besbuy sales people said they are getting new tvs' in next week or 2 and pushing out old models.
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Well guys, I just got a brand new 70" 847 from Sharp (East Coast TVs, $2100 and 3 day delivery!) and I couldn't be happier. Yeah it's not the newest TV, but it looks great.

I just couldn't wait anymore. Hope you guys do end up getting something great too, I'm out of this thread!

LOL I think this the same TV i just demo 3d on a HHgreg. Sharp LC-70LE847U, A great looking TV and 3d was very good. The sales guy said 2399 is the lowested it go, obviously wrong
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For those considering Vizio vs. Sharp vs.Sony, would Sensio's 3DGO app enter into your decision? It is supposedly launching on Vizio within the next couple weeks (the 'Coming Soon' section lists the studio titles available).

www.3dgo.com
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For those considering Vizio vs. Sharp vs.Sony, would Sensio's 3DGO app enter into your decision? It is supposedly launching on Vizio within the next couple weeks (the 'Coming Soon' section lists the studio titles available).

www.3dgo.com

I had no idea about this. The titles seem less than lackluster and I still have to pay for it? Maybe for like $1 a video I'd pay, but I didn't even bother to go through the registration to see any prices.
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I think it sounds like a good idea. I browsed through the coming soon selection and it looks like quite a few were animated and would appeal to grandchildren, so a Pay-as-go model seems like a good approach.

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Well I just got a killer deal on a 65" VT50 so unless the deal falls through then good luck to everyone. I'll be sure to follow how the TV does to know how the Vizio brand is doing.
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