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Preferably I would like to spend even less. I am wanting to upgrade from my 50" Samsung Plasma to an LED/LCD with the best specs possible while keeping it under $2,000. I saw the Samsung 8000 series, but I couldn't help but think if it wasn't a smart TV that it would be perfect.

I have just begun my search so I don't know what is really considered good specs but I do know I like the screens that look really 'fluid' or like a soap opera show. I would like 3-D capability as well if I wanted it would be nice. Sorry if i'm being vague but hopefully saying as good a TV I can get that's not a smart TV will be enough smile.gif

(I have always been extremely high on Samsung products so I would like to stay with them, but willing to look elsewhere).

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if you're looking for a high-end/performance-oriented TV or 3D, then you're getting a TV with smart capabilities whether you want them or not. Only the low-end/bargain models don't include any bells and whistles -- nobody says you have to use them if you don't want to.

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^^^^^ I would agree. I think Smart tv's are a dumb idea (much rather use WiFi/enet enabled blu-ray player or any of the STBs available like AppleTV, Roku, etc) but you don't have to use them if you don't want to. Just don't enable the internet connection and you shouldn't be bothered by updates etc. Even getting a 3D tv is not a bad idea. You don't have to use 3D but, in theory, the panels should be better built.
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I understand I don't have to use those features if I didn't want to , my idea was saving money with getting a tv that just doesn't have those bells and whistles. If they are there of course ill use them. But if I can find a great tv without and save some cash, that's the point.
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What I'm saying is, TVs with the best picture quality don't exist without those bells and whistles so you really aren't paying much, if any extra for them.

The only models that lack features are the lowest end models--e.g., models without the best picture quality.

Samsung:
EH6000: Direct-LED with a thick chassis, no smart features, no 3D, in sizes up to 65". Known for having solid/decent PQ. Holiday variant EH6030 had 3D and was made in a 55" but they are no longer produced.

Sony:
Doesn't make a large set without at least smart features. EX640/645 are their entry-level models and have smart TV but no 3D. Up to 60".

Sharp:
Aside from the XXLE600U holiday leftovers, their entry LE640 large-screen line has smart TV but no 3D.

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Their low-end LS45/4600 are available without smart TV or 3D up to 55" but IMO have sub-par picture quality.

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I LOVE the idea Westinghouse has to release "Roku Ready" displays. Meaning you don't need to have the Smart TV features unless you want them. I wish more manufacturers would go this route.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/04/westinghouse-set-to-launch-roku-ready-ces-models/
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Can someone please give me a simple answer to this:

 

Can you get a non smart HDTV with 3D with the same picture quality as with a smart HDTV with 3D ?

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Why not ?

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Can someone please give me a simple answer to this:

 

Can you get a non smart HDTV with 3D with the same picture quality as with a smart HDTV with 3D ?

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No.
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Why not ?

 

Pretty simple actually....it's the same reason you can't upgrade to JUST leather seats when buying a new car....but rather leathers seats + other gadgets you may or may not want.  The feature set is determined by the manufacturer, which is ultimately determined by their marketing department who has (supposedly) done research to determine what features MOST consumers are most interested in and will allow them to hit that target market for the highest profit margin.

 

Point in case...I have a Dodge Challenger RT.  It has a 5.7 Hemi.  Love the car; however, I really wanted the SRT engine (6.1 Hemi at the time...now a 6.4 Hemi).  Price difference between RT and SRT was $10k+ but I got more than just an engine upgrade.  Recently Dodge released a "no frills" SRT version that more or less is what I wanted a few years back.  It's more costly than an RT, but considerably cheaper than a decked out SRT model.

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Hi Eric,

 

Your car sounds wonderful. My Ford Fiesta could probably fit in your glove box.

 

So, how much of the price of a Smart TV is attributable to the processor and smart bits and how much for the quality of the picture etc ? I am thinking of getting an Philips 8000 series 55" which seem to have good reports.

 

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Haha Fiestas...had a buddy that had one several years back. He was 6'4" and barely fit. Me and him in that thing looked like a circus event getting in and out.

Anyhow...no idea how they proportion the funds. My best guess is the bulk of the money is in the hardware (panels, chipsets, etc). Those will generally control your PQ. The Smart features are fluff in my opinion and I would think being software it's small dollars in comparison; however, I am not certain how the licensing side works for each manufacturer.

I do agree it would be nice to have a "dumb" 3d set. My bluray, Xbox and even satellite receiver are all capable of running the same apps negating the need for a tv to replicate the efforts. But maybe I have more toys than the majority of people. For instance some people base their tv purchase on sound quality. I have yet to be impressed with any tv speakers. I've had surround sound for decades and guess I am spoiled as I can't imagine using the built in speakers except in a pinch. Yet it seems many other consumers need/want those speakers.


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Thanks again for your input.

 

Muchas appreciatas !

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I thought I would bring this thread back to life with a similar question:  I too was looking at purchasing a TV without the "smarts" built in.  I came across the LG 55LN5400 55-Inch which appears to be as simple as it gets and on sale for $750.  I was wondering if anyone has any experience with this set and/or knowledge on whether or not it is decent set with good picture quality.  With that price would anyone go for a different option for 55 inches?  


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I thought I would bring this thread back to life with a similar question:  I too was looking at purchasing a TV without the "smarts" built in.  I came across the LG 55LN5400 55-Inch which appears to be as simple as it gets and on sale for $750.  I was wondering if anyone has any experience with this set and/or knowledge on whether or not it is decent set with good picture quality.  With that price would anyone go for a different option for 55 inches?  

 

Here is some fairly detailed information on the set.  I haven't seen it in person, but according to this data the set struggles with blacks (as most LED's do).  This one is particularly poor in that regards.

 

http://www.rtings.com/reviews/tv/lcd-led/lg/ln5400 

 

Personally unless you have a situation (bright room) that deems the necessity of a LED, I would look to plasma technology.  Blacks will be much, much deeper and PQ better.  

 

Don't focus so much on smart features.  Instead focus on PQ, size, input lag (if you game), etc.  

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Thanks nolimits.  The largest TV I can get is 55 inches due to my cabinet.  I really want 55 inches and not 50 but cannot seem to find any plasma TV's in the 55 inch category.  Do you have any recommendations?


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I have an older Panasonic 52" that I love.  I made the purchase on a whim when my other LCD was in the shop for repair, and it turned out to be one of the best TV's I've owned.  I just happened to catch it on sale to boot.  

 

I haven't extensively searched for 55" screens -- but the Panasonic TC-55PST60 gets rave reviews.  This is a newer/better model than the 52" I have.  And it has features you do not want like smart apps, 3D, etc.  Also, it is more costly than $750.  However, if you want good PQ, can stretch the budget and have a darker room that plays well with plasma, I would give this a serious look.

 

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p55st60/4505-6482_7-35567256.html

 

Another excellent plasma is the Panasonic TC-55PVT60.  It's commonly compared to the infamous Pioneer Kuro.  Again, features and price are higher, but the screen size and superb PQ make it a worthwhile consideration.  Only downfall to either this or the PST model is your lighting condition of the room.  These like DARK environments.

 

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p55st60/4505-6482_7-35567256.html

 

On sale @ Best Buy for $1599...

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/viera-55-class-55-1-8-diag--plasma-1080p-600hz-smart-3d-hdtv/8210042.p?id=1218866282705&skuId=8210042&st=pcmcat193400050016_categoryid$abcat0101001&cp=1&lp=6

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I know those plasma's are $$$ but again, they are going to rock the house in regards to PQ.

 

If you need something a little more budget friendly, this might be a better choice -- 55" LCD so blacks won't be as good as plasma, but reviews are good.  And again, it has features you don't want.  But again, I'd encourage you to look more at PQ then gadgets.

 

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/vizio-m551d-a2r/4505-6482_7-35781765.html

 

FYI, not sure your cabinets are built-in or what, but depending on the situation you may be better off getting the TV you want and upgrading the cabinet to match.  I recently did this myself when upgrading to an 80" Sharp.

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Thanks for your considerations.  I've never considered Plasma as I thought the market was focused on LED-LCD and thought Plasma was dying out.  After some thought however, the living room does get quite a lot of light in the afternoon.  I'm in sunny California and the living room is on the west side of the house (sunset) with three large windows and a sliding glass door.  I do have blinds that I can close but think that an LCD might still be the best option for this particular room.  If I had a basement/den with little to no light (which I wish I did...) I wouldn't hesitate to go our right now and pick that Panasonic up that you recommended.  It looks like an awesome set with 600hz/fps refresh rate... that has to be amazing for FPS games.  I bet it'd look awesome with Battlefield 4!

 

With all that... and your extensive knowledge on the subject. do you have any recommendations for the non-smart LED-LCD 55 inch?

 

I've had some problems with Samsung in the past and am kinda looking to avoid them.   


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I know those plasma's are $$$ but again, they are going to rock the house in regards to PQ.

 

If you need something a little more budget friendly, this might be a better choice -- 55" LCD so blacks won't be as good as plasma, but reviews are good.  And again, it has features you don't want.  But again, I'd encourage you to look more at PQ then gadgets.

 

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/vizio-m551d-a2r/4505-6482_7-35781765.html

 

FYI, not sure your cabinets are built-in or what, but depending on the situation you may be better off getting the TV you want and upgrading the cabinet to match.  I recently did this myself when upgrading to an 80" Sharp.

Yes that looks like a good option.  I saw that TV on one of the articles for top LCD's of 2013 or something like that.  I may consider that.  The blacks are pretty deep for an LCD?  


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Yes.  Look on page 2 of the review and read the information concerning the black levels.  

 

Also note in the chart of features that it has a black luminence of 0.001.  Not that this number is the end-all but generally speaking, the smaller the better.  And 0.001 is pretty good.  

 

But as always -- go look at one in person.  Specs are specs.  Our eyes are unique to each individual and you may prefer something different.  

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Ok yesterday I went to Sam's Club and looked at the Vizio M551d-a2r for an hour.  Then I looked at the Samsung UN55F6350.  Wow was the picture amazing as compared to the Vizio.  

 

I went to Samsung's website and found what I think is the non-SMART version of the 6350 which is the UN55F6030F.  It's a hair bit cheaper... does anyone know though if the specs are the same?  In other words, are the blacks going to be just as good?  


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Ok yesterday I went to Sam's Club and looked at the Vizio M551d-a2r for an hour.  Then I looked at the Samsung UN55F6350.  Wow was the picture amazing as compared to the Vizio.  

 

I went to Samsung's website and found what I think is the non-SMART version of the 6350 which is the UN55F6030F.  It's a hair bit cheaper... does anyone know though if the specs are the same?  In other words, are the blacks going to be just as good?  

 

I also bought from Sam's Club (90 day return if you weren't aware).  

 

When I was looking around I looked at several Vizio's.  To me, they all looked washed out and crappy compared to others.  However, I have a friend with one at home that looks really, really good.  I'm not defending them by any means, but keep in mind, most TV's aren't set up to premium standards in the store plus the store lighting, etc can create a less than great experience on ANY set.  Plus I've always personally thought some stores do as little as possible with "value TV's" and then tweak the more expensive ones (or ones with most profit margin) to make it appear "better" in the store.  I have no proof -- just my own paranoia.

 

If you can narrow down to a few sets, it might be worthwhile to jot down some settings that are known to produce a good picture for each model.  Then when you go, get the remote and set the TV's up accordingly and then do your analysis.  It might be a little more reliable.

 

By the way, found a review on the 6030.  I don't like this site much, but it appeared to be good overall.  Reviews on Amazon also seem good.

 

http://reviews.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/samsung-lcd-tv/samsung-un55fh6030.html

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-UN55FH6030-55-Inch-1080p-120Hz/product-reviews/B00BCGRYY6

 

FYI, when shopping for my own TV we ran across the 75" Samsung 6300 (different than 6030).  It looked pretty amazing in-store.  Had a really tough time between it and the Sharp 80" I got.  Both had great pictures.  I might have given a click to the Samsung because it has a shiny screen which I think looks nicer but plays hell if you have a bright room (like mine).  Part of the reason for our upgrade was because the plasma didn't play well in the bright space.  

 

I still think about the 6300, although according to the reviews, it shouldn't have looked as good as it did to me.  Like I said previously, it's subjective and what looks good to me may be different to you.  Be smart, but also follow your instincts.

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nolimits I certainly appreciate all your help in the manner.  I am going to pull the trigger and give Samsung another shot and get the 55 inch 6030 from Amazon or Best Buy.  I was actually looking for it on Amazon yesterday and for some strange reason wasn't able to find it it looks like there are 3 in stock right now.  I may be hooking this bad boy up this weekend.

 

Thanks again for all your help.  I'll report back with a quick review for all to see.  


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Glad I could help.  Hope it all works well for you.  Nice thing about Amazon is great return policy + tax free in most states.  But dealing locally has some advantages too, especially on returns, etc as long as the price is right.  

 

Good luck and I look forward to the review.  :)

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To the OP and all others in search, what you want is a Large Format Display/Screen.

http://www.newegg.com/Large-Format-Displays/SubCategory/ID-633


Case closed.

I know this is an old thread, but it's one of the first links that pops up when doing a search so, out of courtesy, I thought I'd share this here for everyone else who googles it.
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To the OP and all others in search, what you want is a Large Format Display/Screen.

http://www.newegg.com/Large-Format-Displays/SubCategory/ID-633


Case closed.

I know this is an old thread, but it's one of the first links that pops up when doing a search so, out of courtesy, I thought I'd share this here for everyone else who googles it.

I certainly don't think that is what the OP intended.  There are differences between a large format "monitor" and a consumer based LCD HDTV.  For the price you'd pay for a decent "size" display you could easily get an equivalent LED LCD that'd blow the monitor out of this world.  

 

I've come to the conclusion that in order to get the high end picture quality and features entailed with image quality that smart TV functions are just a small price that you'll have to pay to enjoy those benefits.  I think manufacturers are now hesitant to but a lot of technology into the set without the added convenience of having the set be smart capable.  It's all about the marketing and if they can say that the set will allow you to stream you Netflix movies than most consumers will "hurry up and buy".  


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AVR:  Pioneer VSX-820

Speakers:  5.1 consists of four NHT Classic Two bookshelf and an NHT TwoC center

Sub:  PSA-XV15

HTPC - ridiculously over-the-top, home-built gaming PC that I tinker with daily!

OTA antenna:  Winegard HD7698P

HDTV:  Sharp LC-60SQ15U

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