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Sweet! BB online wouldn't match frys since we don't have them down south (per their protocal). But I got my local store to. Thanks to everyone for getting the word out about the frys deal!
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Doh, all the BB stores here closed early because of weather! I called my Magnolia rep and he said take a screen shot and they should be able to match it for me and credit my acct tomorrow. We'll see.
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Hope it works my for ya man. Let us know how it goes. I'm replacing my sony kds-55a3000 that I have had for 6 years. Tired of buying bulbs and starting to have light engine issues. Hoping to be impressed.
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They should match it IF they have it. Tell them other BB and Amazon customers got the match.
I was price matched for the 1699 price they said because they already price matched me they cant price me againf or the 1599 lol at best buy is that even real thats so messed up so they said no what do i do
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Hope it works my for ya man. Let us know how it goes. I'm replacing my sony kds-55a3000 that I have had for 6 years. Tired of buying bulbs and starting to have light engine issues. Hoping to be impressed.

Yes, don't you hate those bulbs? I'm in the same situation coming from an 8 year old Grand Wega 50WE655 that I recently replaced the bulb in and it's getting dark already. I told myself I would not buy another Sony after my experience with the Wega but the positive reviews has me close to pulling the trigger on the W900 (and the recent sales). I also figure it will be a perfect match for my PS4 and PS3. The Vizio P series has also caught my eye but I would not want to miss this TV while waiting for more info on the Vizio.

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The P Series from Vizio actually appears to be VERY impressive. True 120hz input, 4K, low input lag, AND full array backlit? Sounds very promising! Also appears to be comparable to my two 23" true 120hz gaming monitors in terms of gaming performance. 43 dimming zones isn't very much though. Sounds like there will be blooming. But overall, very impressed by the premise of the Vizio P series.
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It took me couple tries to price match with Frys from amazon. I'm so excited for this TV.

I haven't had a TV for about 4 years and finally decided to get this one.

Could you guys advise me on what are the things that I need to check/look for once the TV gets here?

I'm not an expert on TV so it is kind of confusing.

Also, did you guys buy the extended warranty?

 

Thanks!


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Got mine today. They only had one left at the closest best buy. Price matched Fry's 1599. Other than the old 60hz lcds, I have never seen a led/LCD with such low input lag. If you are a competitive gamer then this is what you want. I also have a panny s30 which is also very good but this feels even better. I got some clouding in lower left corner but only notice it on completely black scenes. Not sure if I should exchange
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The price is starting to fall!

Fry's has it for $1599
Amazon has it for $1789

Thanks, you saved me another $100. Amazon price matched again for me yesterday.
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Got mine today. They only had one left at the closest best buy. Price matched Fry's 1599. Other than the old 60hz lcds, I have never seen a led/LCD with such low input lag. If you are a competitive gamer then this is what you want. I also have a panny s30 which is also very good but this feels even better. I got some clouding in lower left corner but only notice it on completely black scenes. Not sure if I should exchange

I think I read a couple posts saying that it went away over time. I also would like a few tips on what issues to look for that might require an exchange within my 15 day window.
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Thanks, you saved me another $100. Amazon price matched again for me yesterday.

Amazon matched the lowered price at Frys two times on the same purchase?

UPDATE: Just checked Frys.com and the sale price is GONE -- Listed at $2999 eek.gif
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I noticed most seem to use the Cinema Scene mode and then one of his corresponding picture modes (Cinema 1 or 2). Don't you guys think that is too dim? Does anyone use the General scene mode and then the vivid picture mode?
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I noticed most seem to use the Cinema Scene mode and then one of his corresponding picture modes (Cinema 1 or 2). Don't you guys think that is too dim? Does anyone use the General scene mode and then the vivid picture mode?

turn off all eco modes. settings>preferences>eco


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turn off all eco modes. settings>preferences>eco

That was the first thing I did. Although, at first I had trouble finding it and then realized you have to hit the "HOME" button on the remote to get to it. Still, Cinema scene mode does not get nearly as bright as the General scene mode with vivid picture mode.
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That was the first thing I did. Although, at first I had trouble finding it and then realized you have to hit the "HOME" button on the remote to get to it. Still, Cinema scene mode does not get nearly as bright as the General scene mode with vivid picture mode.

try these settings from the link and the setting below

http://www.soundandvision.com/content/sony-kdl-55w900a-3d-lcd-hdtv-settings

 

Viewing mode: Cinema 1
Backlight 4
Contrast 90
Brightness: 50
Color: 50
Hue: 0
Color temperature Warm2
Sharpness 50
Noise reduction Off
Dot noise reduction Off
Reality Creation Off
Smooth gradation Low
Motionflow True Cinema
Film mode Auto
Black corrector Off
Adv. Contrast Enhancer Off
Gamma -1
LED Dynamic Control Off
Auto Light Limiter Off
Clear White Off
Live Color Off
Detail Enhancer Off
Edge enhancer Off
R Gain -1
G Gain -5
B Gain 0
R Bias 0
G Bias -1
B Bias 0
Eco (light sensor) Off

cahn2621's Avatar cahn2621
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Originally Posted by nixorz View Post

try these settings from the link and the setting below
http://www.soundandvision.com/content/sony-kdl-55w900a-3d-lcd-hdtv-settings

Viewing mode: Cinema 1
Backlight 4
Contrast 90
Brightness: 50
Color: 50
Hue: 0
Color temperature Warm2
Sharpness 50
Noise reduction Off
Dot noise reduction Off
Reality Creation Off
Smooth gradation Low
Motionflow True Cinema
Film mode Auto
Black corrector Off
Adv. Contrast Enhancer Off
Gamma -1
LED Dynamic Control Off
Auto Light Limiter Off
Clear White Off
Live Color Off
Detail Enhancer Off
Edge enhancer Off
R Gain -1
G Gain -5
B Gain 0
R Bias 0
G Bias -1
B Bias 0
Eco (light sensor) Off

I will give it a try after work, but have you even tried the General scene mode and then the vivid picture mode?
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Is it worth updating the firmware?
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Originally Posted by nixorz View Post

try these settings from the link and the setting below
http://www.soundandvision.com/content/sony-kdl-55w900a-3d-lcd-hdtv-settings

Viewing mode: Cinema 1
Backlight 4
Contrast 90
Brightness: 50
Color: 50
Hue: 0
Color temperature Warm2
Sharpness 50
Noise reduction Off
Dot noise reduction Off
Reality Creation Off
Smooth gradation Low
Motionflow True Cinema
Film mode Auto
Black corrector Off
Adv. Contrast Enhancer Off
Gamma -1
LED Dynamic Control Off
Auto Light Limiter Off
Clear White Off
Live Color Off
Detail Enhancer Off
Edge enhancer Off
R Gain -1
G Gain -5
B Gain 0
R Bias 0
G Bias -1
B Bias 0
Eco (light sensor) Off

I've seen a lot of settings similar to this, but wouldn't such a low backlight setting, combined with -2 gamma result in a dim picture?
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Is it worth updating the firmware?

Yes! I always try to make sure I have the latest firmware not only for my TV but also for my BR player and digital receiver
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I will give it a try after work, but have you even tried the General scene mode and then the vivid picture mode?

Keep in mind a lot of us are trying to hit a specific video spec with the settings. People are going to Cinema because that's the setting out of the box that's closest to Rec.709. So, that may result in a picture that might lack "pop" or "vibrancy" at first glance, but it is the closest to what the source was designed around and the best approximation of film.

The biggest reason you are probably thinking it looks dim is the change of the color temp to WARM2. That makes the white balance significantly more yellow and the warming of the picture tends to make it look dimmer as a result. However, it's usually closer to the recommended spec of 6500k. I know, out of the box, Cinema 1 was pretty close to 5700k for an 80% grey white balance measurement. So, a bit warmer than the spec. If you changed the color temp from Warm 2 to Warm 1, it jumped to over 7300k. I didn't even measure Neutral or Cool as those would have been way way bluer than you would normally want for film.

After I calibrated the 2pt white balance with Calman5 Tutorial and the C3 meter, the TV then read 6443 for the white balance which is pretty spot on and the gamma curve was mostly correct. But, if you compare it to any of the other General or Vivid presets, you would likely think it dim by comparison. However, it does have an amazing amount of dynamic range without crushing blacks or clipping whites like some of the other settings do.

Ultimately, it's up to you what you want your TV to look like. It's just that most of use aren't using those other presets because they are changing the picture quality to something other than what was originally intended by the director of what we are watching.
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I noticed most seem to use the Cinema Scene mode and then one of his corresponding picture modes (Cinema 1 or 2). Don't you guys think that is too dim? Does anyone use the General scene mode and then the vivid picture mode?

Vivid mode will give you the brightest picture, yes. But Cinema 2 is measured to be the closest to the standard you should be aiming for. You can make adjustments at the margins, depending on personal preference and viewing environment. But if you want your set to display what the director intended, then Warm 2 is the best starting point. If you have never been exposed to it, it can seem dark or too red, but it just takes some getting used to.
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For reference, these are what my settings came out to after I did my calibration.

Backlight 6
Contrast 85
Brightness 51
Color 55
Hue R1

Gamma -2

R Gain -7
G Gain -3
B Gain 0
R Bias -1
G Bias -1
B Bias -1

It's important to note though that the white balance especially is going to vary from TV to TV since no two panels are exactly the same.
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Keep in mind a lot of us are trying to hit a specific video spec with the settings. People are going to Cinema because that's the setting out of the box that's closest to Rec.709. So, that may result in a picture that might lack "pop" or "vibrancy" at first glance, but it is the closest to what the source was designed around and the best approximation of film.

The biggest reason you are probably thinking it looks dim is the change of the color temp to WARM2. That makes the white balance significantly more yellow and the warming of the picture tends to make it look dimmer as a result. However, it's usually closer to the recommended spec of 6500k. I know, out of the box, Cinema 1 was pretty close to 5700k for an 80% grey white balance measurement. So, a bit warmer than the spec. If you changed the color temp from Warm 2 to Warm 1, it jumped to over 7300k. I didn't even measure Neutral or Cool as those would have been way way bluer than you would normally want for film.

After I calibrated the 2pt white balance with Calman5 Tutorial and the C3 meter, the TV then read 6443 for the white balance which is pretty spot on and the gamma curve was mostly correct. But, if you compare it to any of the other General or Vivid presets, you would likely think it dim by comparison. However, it does have an amazing amount of dynamic range without crushing blacks or clipping whites like some of the other settings do.

Ultimately, it's up to you what you want your TV to look like. It's just that most of use aren't using those other presets because they are changing the picture quality to something other than what was originally intended by the director of what we are watching.

Got it, and yeah I thought about the director's original intentions. But no one explained it like you just did. If I could select best answer I would.
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For reference, these are what my settings came out to after I did my calibration.

Backlight 6
Contrast 85
Brightness 51
Color 55
Hue R1

Gamma -2

R Gain -7
G Gain -3
B Gain 0
R Bias -1
G Bias -1
B Bias -1

It's important to note though that the white balance especially is going to vary from TV to TV since no two panels are exactly the same.

Was just about to ask you. Will give these a try as well. I get what you mean about the crushing blacks on the vivid picture mode.
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The only ECO settings (light sensor, idle time etc) I found were the ones via the home button and not with the picture adjustments (brightness, backlight). Is that right or am I missing something else?
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Bull3964'
Were you set at Cinema1 Warm2 with those settings?
Thanks!
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JR.com has it for $1599. Amazon will price match it and it is eligible for the 2% cash back.
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Bull3964'
Were you set at Cinema1 Warm2 with those settings?
Thanks!

Yup, Cinema1 Warm2.
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I just have to say you guys are awesome.  Between the Frys deal and now the JR deal and Amazon price matching it...it's like you gave me $400.  Not only that but the knowledge you all have that helped me decide on this awesome TV, I really appreciate it.  With the sappy stuff out of the way....Regarding the ECO settings, am I the only one that received it with it already turned off to begin with? 


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Thanks, gonna try them tonight.
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