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lol that Live Color, you should try console gaming with Sport's settings and live color medium, as well as using the Clear or Standard on Motion. It is like having SweetFX but for consoles, I call it, SonyFX
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Hello

I currently have a XBR-46HX929 and I'm having a few picture quality problems. I've tried replacing the main board, T Con, Led driver and power board but it looks like it is the panel itself. The main board fixed a restarting problem I was having and the T-Con made the TV look much sharper. I notice some faint lines at the bottom left side of the TV that go up about an inch and cover half the width of the screen at the bottom.

Problems I'm noticing with my 46HX929 have to do with juddering while playing video games, watching video or using the TV as my PC monitor. On my TV I get a a lot of juddering/shimmering and I have a very hard time reading any text while I'm scrolling with the scroll bar on any browser, window or application. This is similar in video games as I get a lot of juddering and blur if the picture is moving. MotionFlow improves this but not much. My picture settings are basic and I have everything pretty much off.

If I do replace this TV it would be for a XBR-55HX950 or KDL-55W900A but I will have to settle with a used/demo(HX950) or a new/used(W900A) that I can find online(pricing is within $500 of each other). The W950B looks to be getting bad reviews compared to these two TV's, but I can actually see this model in stores if I wanted to. Hopefully my next TV will last until OLED is an option, but I said that when I bought a XBR3 in 2006 and then a HX929 in 2011

I'm looking for a TV that does the following. Of the two TV's mentioned above which do the following better?
-Black levels(HX950)
-Good motion/judder without motionflow for Gaming/PC use (Tie)
-Screen uniformity/less banding (W900A)

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Hello

I currently have a XBR-46HX929 and I'm having a few picture quality problems. I've tried replacing the main board, T Con, Led driver and power board but it looks like it is the panel itself. The main board fixed a restarting problem I was having and the T-Con made the TV look much sharper. I notice some faint lines at the bottom left side of the TV that go up about an inch and cover half the width of the screen at the bottom.

Problems I'm noticing with my 46HX929 have to do with juddering while playing video games, watching video or using the TV as my PC monitor. On my TV I get a a lot of juddering/shimmering and I have a very hard time reading any text while I'm scrolling with the scroll bar on any browser, window or application. This is similar in video games as I get a lot of juddering and blur if the picture is moving. MotionFlow improves this but not much. My picture settings are basic and I have everything pretty much off.

If I do replace this TV it would be for a XBR-55HX950 or KDL-55W900A but I will have to settle with a used/demo(HX950) or a new/used(W900A) that I can find online(pricing is within $500 of each other). The W950B looks to be getting bad reviews compared to these two TV's, but I can actually see this model in stores if I wanted to. Hopefully my next TV will last until OLED is an option, but I said that when I bought a XBR3 in 2006 and then a HX929 in 2011

I'm looking for a TV that does the following. Of the two TV's mentioned above which do the following better?
-Black levels(HX950)
-Good motion/judder without motionflow for Gaming/PC use (Tie)
-Screen uniformity/less banding (W900A)

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Not sure if I'm misreading it, but it looks like you answered your own questions??

My take is this:

Black levels - Definitely HX950.

Motion/Judder should be the same, but input lag will be better on the W9.

Screen Uniformity - really no way to tell. In theory, the 950 should be better as the local dimming generally clears that up. However, it's really a panel to panel crapshoot and you can just as easily get a 950 with clouding or flashlights as you can a W9.
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Not sure if I'm misreading it, but it looks like you answered your own questions??

My take is this:

Black levels - Definitely HX950.

Motion/Judder should be the same, but input lag will be better on the W9.

Screen Uniformity - really no way to tell. In theory, the 950 should be better as the local dimming generally clears that up. However, it's really a panel to panel crapshoot and you can just as easily get a 950 with clouding or flashlights as you can a W9.


wth well said and I couldn't have said it better! The HX950 no doubt is going to have better black levels due to its full array setup, but like you said its a panel crapshoot because the HX950 has had issues of clouding and flashlighting like the W9 has. Luckily I don't have that issue on my W9 but some others have. Either way the guy cant go wrong with either tv.
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Not sure if I'm misreading it, but it looks like you answered your own questions??

My take is this:

Black levels - Definitely HX950.

Motion/Judder should be the same, but input lag will be better on the W9.

Screen Uniformity - really no way to tell. In theory, the 950 should be better as the local dimming generally clears that up. However, it's really a panel to panel crapshoot and you can just as easily get a 950 with clouding or flashlights as you can a W9.
The screen uniformity on my HX929 is OK, but I do notice the dirty screen effect when playing video games. It also has 2 small flashlights in the bottom left and right corner of the screen I'm going to guess the juddering/blurring/shimmering effect that I'm seeing isn't what you W900A owners see?
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delfincek, do you mind sharing your settings? I'd like to see them if possible. This is the first Sony HDTV that I have owned where Live Color actually works and makes the PQ better then it already is! I was stunned while watching Avatar how beautiful the color's were, even my wife made the comment on how beautiful the PQ was. After the movie I switched back to regular HD programming and again I was stunned on how better the PQ looked with Live Color on! I think what it is is Live Color takes advantage of the Quantum Dot/Triluminous tech the W9 has built into it, that's what I believe anyway and I could be wrong. What Live Color does on the W9 is take what is already beautiful PQ and takes it one step further. Never thought I would say it but Live color is better on then off.
These are my settings I use on my Sony KDL-55W905A. I did not touch them for quite some time now and I'm very satisfied. There are two different set of settings one for Cable TV and one for HTPC.

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The screen uniformity on my HX929 is OK, but I do notice the dirty screen effect when playing video games. It also has 2 small flashlights in the bottom left and right corner of the screen I'm going to guess the juddering/blurring/shimmering effect that I'm seeing isn't what you W900A owners see?
Don't see any of that. Is this something you only see during game play? I suspect you may need to play around with your motionflow settings.
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Don't see any of that. Is this something you only see during game play? I suspect you may need to play around with your motionflow settings.
I experience it with all content(PC/games/video). I don't use motionflow but it doesn't really help the problem I'm noticing. Looks like I'm getting a W900A as I can find New ones still and I can get a 4-5 year warranty on them.
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I found a new XBR-55HX950 at an authorized dealer for $2,999.99(shipped,I might get it cheaper) which is $1,000(shipped) more than the New KDL-55W900A's I found from from authorized dealers. The HX950 is better than the W900A except in color? and about 20ms slower for input lag. I'll make an update post when I receive the TV.
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I found a new XBR-55HX950 at an authorized dealer for $2,999.99(shipped,I might get it cheaper) which is $1,000(shipped) more than the New KDL-55W900A's I found from from authorized dealers. The HX950 is better than the W900A except in color? and about 20ms slower for input lag. I'll make an update post when I receive the TV.


The one thing the HX950 has over the W9 is its Full Array so the blacks are obviously better. Other then that the W9 can stand toe to toe with the HX950 and in some cases such as color and gaming lag times its got it beat. I could have bought the HX950 but went with the W9 instead and I have never regretted it. But congrats MUGEN because the HX950 in its own right is an excellent tv.
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New Firmware release for the 55W900A


UPDATE System Software Update Release Date 6/23/2014 Version PKG4.430AAA File Size 155.91 MB Download
Sony has designed the BRAVIA® Televisions software update process to be customer friendly. This software update (version PKG4.430AAA) provides the following benefits:
Improvements over version PKG4.411AAA:
  • Improves performance and stability of the Internet features
Benefits provided by previous updates and included in version PKG4.430AAA:
  • Improves stability of the Screen Mirroring function
  • Improves the login function for the Skype® online calling service
  • Provides HDMI® 2.0 compatibility (Applies to 4K models only)
    Supports 4K 60p (3840X2160p (59.94/60Hz) YCbCr 4:2:0 8bit, 4096X2160p (59.94/60Hz) YCbCr 4:2:0 8bit)
  • Improves stability of the sound output with a Blu-ray Disc™ player using an HDMI connection

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New Firmware release for the 55W900A


UPDATE System Software Update Release Date 6/23/2014 Version PKG4.430AAA File Size 155.91 MB Download
Sony has designed the BRAVIA® Televisions software update process to be customer friendly. This software update (version PKG4.430AAA) provides the following benefits:

Improvements over version PKG4.411AAA:
  • Improves performance and stability of the Internet features
Benefits provided by previous updates and included in version PKG4.430AAA:
  • Improves stability of the Screen Mirroring function
  • Improves the login function for the Skype® online calling service
  • Provides HDMI® 2.0 compatibility (Applies to 4K models only)
    Supports 4K 60p (3840X2160p (59.94/60Hz) YCbCr 4:2:0 8bit, 4096X2160p (59.94/60Hz) YCbCr 4:2:0 8bit)
  • Improves stability of the sound output with a Blu-ray Disc™ player using an HDMI connection

Ok let me get this straight. The update provides 2.0 compatibility for our W9's but our TV's don't support 4K? That makes a hell of a lot of sense now don't it?
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Ok let me get this straight. The update provides 2.0 compatibility for our W9's but our TV's don't support 4K? That makes a hell of a lot of sense now don't it?

The W900A and X900A are basically the same, the only difference is the 4K panel. Both use the same firmware.

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The W900A and X900A are basically the same, the only difference is the 4K panel. Both use the same firmware.
Oh I know they are the same Captin but what good does HDMI 2.0 do when the W9 cant support 4K? Dont get me wrong its nice to have but unnecessary dont you think?
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Oh I know they are the same Captin but what good does HDMI 2.0 do when the W9 cant support 4K? Dont get me wrong its nice to have but unnecessary dont you think?
Just stating that both sets use the same firmware, so not everything the X get's the W uses. But it's nice to know it's there. I personally don't upgrade my firmware unless it improves on the quality of the image itself. If all the firmware is going to do is improve on the internet functions or a widget then I pass. The last firmware update I did was the one that introduced the HDMI 2.0 compatibility, which was 3 updates ago.

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Just stating that both sets use the same firmware, so not everything the X get's the W uses. But it's nice to know it's there. I personally don't upgrade my firmware unless it improves on the quality of the image itself. If all the firmware is going to do is improve on the internet functions or a widget then I pass. The last firmware update I did was the one that introduced the HDMI 2.0 compatibility, which was 3 updates ago.


Your right Captain. At least we have HDMI 2.0 on the W9. I update the firmware every time my W9 calls for it. I just like keeping it up to date.
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I'm still confused on what to set HDMI range on TV and on ps3/ps4/xbox 360.

PS3: full (console) and full (TV) for gaming? limited (console) and limited (TV) for movie watching?

PS4: auto (console) and auto (TV) for gaming?

Xbox 360: expanded (console) and full (TV) for gaming?

also limited = standard?

Thanks for any clarification, this stuff is sooooo confusing.
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I'm still confused on what to set HDMI range on TV and on ps3/ps4/xbox 360.

PS3: full (console) and full (TV) for gaming? limited (console) and limited (TV) for movie watching?

PS4: auto (console) and auto (TV) for gaming?

Xbox 360: expanded (console) and full (TV) for gaming?

also limited = standard?

Thanks for any clarification, this stuff is sooooo confusing.

PS3 full range w/ super white on
PS4 RGB full. and full for the Y Pb/Cb Pr /Cr range
Xbox 360 expanded.

the important part is that the W900a's HDMI dynamic range should be on full for gaming and TV. I dont see any harm to the PQ when Im not gaming.
I tested the auto setting and it doesn't detect full range RGB.
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PS3 full range w/ super white on
PS4 RGB full. and full for the Y Pb/Cb Pr /Cr range
Xbox 360 expanded.

the important part is that the W900a's HDMI dynamic range should be on full for gaming and TV. I dont see any harm to the PQ when Im not gaming.
I tested the auto setting and it doesn't detect full range RGB.

Hey Helvetica I tried the Dynamic Range on full I don't see any difference in PQ then when its set on Auto. Am I missing something here? That being said. I still have Live Color set to medium and everyone I have over says its the most beautiful PQ they have seen on a tv. As I said before I have never used Live Color on any of my previous sets but it really really works on my W9.
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Hi Steve!
I ran the Spears and Munsil disk on the PS4. It was clipping the RGB full signal with the W9 set to Auto and the PS4 set to full.
When I changed the W9 (HDMI) to full the display pattern looked perfect. This is only an issue with gaming and if you want to squeeze
every ounce of PQ out of the W9.

Regarding the Live Color I have mine set to off. With it set to medium you're definitely getting a more stylized PQ rather than an accurate one.
Did you run any test patterns with it on ? The colors look beautiful with it off and its about as accurate TV you can buy. Some of Sonys
new Mi4K bluRays are encoded with x.v.Color so nudging up the live color may help but otherwise I don't see a need for it.
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Hi Steve!
I ran the Spears and Munsil disk on the PS4. It was clipping the RGB full signal with the W9 set to Auto and the PS4 set to full.
When I changed the W9 (HDMI) to full the display pattern looked perfect. This is only an issue with gaming and if you want to squeeze
every ounce of PQ out of the W9.

Regarding the Live Color I have mine set to off. With it set to medium you're definitely getting a more stylized PQ rather than an accurate one.
Did you run any test patterns with it on ? The colors look beautiful with it off and its about as accurate TV you can buy. Some of Sonys
new Mi4K bluRays are encoded with x.v.Color so nudging up the live color may help but otherwise I don't see a need for it.
What about watching blu ray movies on the PS4? Can I leave both the w9/ps4 on full or do I need to change them both to limited everytime I watch a movie...?
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I leave it set to full. PS4 doesn't play BluRays in RGB (i think) so keeping the W9 set to full should be fine. This way you dont have to change it all the time.
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Hi Steve!
I ran the Spears and Munsil disk on the PS4. It was clipping the RGB full signal with the W9 set to Auto and the PS4 set to full.
When I changed the W9 (HDMI) to full the display pattern looked perfect. This is only an issue with gaming and if you want to squeeze
every ounce of PQ out of the W9.

Regarding the Live Color I have mine set to off. With it set to medium you're definitely getting a more stylized PQ rather than an accurate one.
Did you run any test patterns with it on ? The colors look beautiful with it off and its about as accurate TV you can buy. Some of Sonys
new Mi4K bluRays are encoded with x.v.Color so nudging up the live color may help but otherwise I don't see a need for it.

Your right about the Live Color thing Helvetica. I found that out today when I ran some test pattern's on my W9. So I turned it off. I am not saying people are wrong for using it, hell I was using it!, but if you want accurate PQ its best set to off. And like you said the W9 don't need it because the colors look outstanding with it off. So yet another lession learned. That being said I am having a Pro Calibrator over tomorrow morning to have it Pro Calibrated as I did with my last 2 sets.
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Your right about the Live Color thing Helvetica. I found that out today when I ran some test pattern's on my W9. So I turned it off. I am not saying people are wrong for using it, hell I was using it!, but if you want accurate PQ its best set to off. And like you said the W9 don't need it because the colors look outstanding with it off. So yet another lession learned. That being said I am having a Pro Calibrator over tomorrow morning to have it Pro Calibrated as I did with my last 2 sets.
The colour gamut is already higher than most LCDs because they're using a Samsung Display HCG panel, so Live Colo(u)r is not needed to expand the gamut, even if the marketing tech will tell you otherwise.
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Any of you use the 'Reality Creation' feature with BD's on the W900?
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The colour gamut is already higher than most LCDs because they're using a Samsung Display HCG panel, so Live Colo(u)r is not needed to expand the gamut, even if the marketing tech will tell you otherwise.
loop through do you know if the Samsung display is 10 or 12 bit?
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loop through do you know if the Samsung display is 10 or 12 bit?

12 bit Helvetica.
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Well I had my W9 calibrated this morning. 3 1/2 hours to get everything just right. Man does my tv look beautiful and now just the way I wanted and the way it should look PQ wise. Oh and Live Color? Not needed. Black Corrector? Not needed. ACE? Off. Anyone interested in the calibrated settings of my W9 just ask.
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Yeah, I still love the TV and it looks fantastic after using my C3 and Calman 5. Viewing angles remain the single sore spot for me, but that doesn't really affect me most of the time since I sit front center. It mostly bugs me when I have guests over since not everyone is getting the full glory of the TV. It could use a touch more uniformity on all white screens, but that's very rarely something you see in everyday viewing and is mostly just shows up on commercials.

Pros and cons like every TV. It should hopefully last me until OLED TVs become affordable and most of the flaws are ironed out.
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Yeah, I still love the TV and it looks fantastic after using my C3 and Calman 5. Viewing angles remain the single sore spot for me, but that doesn't really affect me most of the time since I sit front center. It mostly bugs me when I have guests over since not everyone is getting the full glory of the TV. It could use a touch more uniformity on all white screens, but that's very rarely something you see in everyday viewing and is mostly just shows up on commercials.

Pros and cons like every TV. It should hopefully last me until OLED TVs become affordable and most of the flaws are ironed out.

The only replacement for my W9 will be an OLED tv bull3964. I aint interested and nothing else catches my attention enough to replace my W9. OLED is the only thing that will get me to replace my W9 and like you I will wait until the flaws are ironed out and OLED becomes affordable. Until then my W9 stays put. I love my W9 and it was and still is the best investment I ever made when it comes to my HT.
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