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http://www.avsforum.com/t/1458698/official-sony-kdl-55w900a-owners-thread/690#post_23460926

It'd be nice if someone could answer any of my questions too D:
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Don't bother getting a plasma for games. Phosphor Trails, and the usual inability to support 4:4:4 completely defeat the point for games.



Also: Has anyone tested this set for 4:4:4 compatibility over HDMI from a PC?


http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/sony-kdl55w905a-201305172987.htm


This review mentions it can in GAME or GRAPHICS mode, (Is there no Input labeling, such as PC that may or may not work too?)



It also mentions some mild pillars on the left and right edges of the screen. And I can seem to see them I think in the pictures that have been posted. Has anyone noticed this as an issue when viewing the TV?




I wish this set was available in a smaller size as well
No pillars that I can see on my set. HDMI inputs only marked for ARC and MHL. Game mode can be selected from Scene Selection. There are quite a few actually and there is one called Graphics that says its optimized for PC, but I don't use a PC on the TV so I can't tell you how it performs. Same goes for 4:4:4. Hope that helps.
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That does help some. Thanks!
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I'm still on the fence between getting a w900a or a hx850 from one of the few places that have it. I'm most interested in tv/movies and the occasional game. From reading this thread the 900a seems good thus far. Is the fact that it does not have the glass front a big deal? Mine will be in a room with sunlight
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That helps and a lot of my second guessing is I can't see them side by side. I've seen the w900a at one store and a demo of the hx850 at another. The 850 I'd have to buy from one of the online retailers that still have it in stock of course it goes to how legit they are such as abes etc.
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Another review.
http://www.televisioninfo.com/content/sony-bravia-kdl-55w900a-review

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Hey guys. I calibrated the 3D mode today with the meter. Got an excellent result with the only error (dE 3.4) at IRE 10.

I'm also still trying to tackle the regular calibration and make it error free and will calibrate Game mode next when I get some more free time.

Follow the link in my signature if you care to try the settings. Just remember that no panel is the same and they might not work on your set the same way they do on mine.
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Hi all new to this forum! I have a question regarding the Sony KDL-55w900a. I am about to pull the trigger on buying this set but I saw the Sony KDL-55w905a reviewed on other sites. Now I just want to be sure, are these the same models and is the 905 just the model number for it in say the UK or other countries? I appreciate any and all info you can help with. Thanks
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Ok. So I pick my W900 up from Best Buy this on the 4th. Given CNET's pretty strong review of the F8000 everyone still confident this is the better set?

From my understanding and questions to CNET the F8000 is smarter and has more features and settings with a stellar picture to boot but with awful lag.

The W900 has slightly better color and picture quality. It also performs much better in the lag category (best among LED's this year) however wifi connectivity, smart features and settings are more limited.

Sound correct?

Thoughts?

This is my first Sony tv. I've always had Samsung's and I have to admit I'm still a bit anxious here.
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Ok. So I pick my W900 up from Best Buy this on the 4th. Given CNET's pretty strong review of the F8000 everyone still confident this is the better set?

From my understanding and questions to CNET the F8000 is smarter and has more features and settings with a stellar picture to boot but with awful lag.

The W900 has slightly better color and picture quality. It also performs much better in the lag category (best among LED's this year) however wifi connectivity, smart features and settings are more limited.

Sound correct?

Thoughts?

This is my first Sony tv. I've always had Samsung's and I have to admit I'm still a bit anxious here.

I'm thinking about picking up one of these Sonys too so I can't comment on it's performance first hand in comparison to a Samsung BUT I think your answer should be fairly easy.

1. I wouldn't worry about the "smart" features of a tv. What is the purpose of having poorly made apps and functions on your TV that are better handled by your PC, tablet, or Apple TV etc? For me I want a great picture with VERY low input lag for gaming. A TV is a TV and it's main purpose is as a display. To me this whole smart TV thing is a gimmick to sell more TV's.

2. I've had 2 Samsung TV's and I will never buy another Samsung product again. The current TV I have has issues with the capacitor going out every 6 months or so which costs 150 to fix each time it does go out. Samsungs are also notorious for horrible amounts of input lag.

3. The Sony is rated better in PQ and input lag. Sony quality is much higher than Samsung as well as reliability. Really the decision is a no brainer if you're deciding between only those 2 sets.
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Input lag test results on the 52A750

"Maybe the input lag on this set matches the lag in your head therefore you don't perceive it".
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Well the old expression "dont mess with perfection" is true. Today I decided to exchange my w900a for a open box hx950. I thought it would be better because its an XBR and has a full LED array. The color, input lag, and overall picture quality don't measure up to the w900a I had so now im hoping they didnt already sell mine frown.gif The only thing the hx950 has over the w900a is black level, but that is only when it is able to do its local dimming. The picture on the w900a had so much more depth.
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Well the old expression "dont mess with perfection" is true. Today I decided to exchange my w900a for a open box hx950. I thought it would be better because its an XBR and has a full LED array. The color, input lag, and overall picture quality don't measure up to the w900a I had so now im hoping they didnt already sell mine frown.gif The only thing the hx950 has over the w900a is black level, but that is only when it is able to do its local dimming. The picture on the w900a had so much more depth.

So the HX950 doesn't beat the 900a in Picture quality?

That's surprising with a comparison between a full array LED and an Edge Lit LED like the 900a.

With the price drop, this could be my future TV later this year, or early next year. However, I have read that there is no color management system with this tv. How are people calibrating their TV's with no color management system or no 10pt grayscale system?

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Overall, the picture quality on the w900a is better. Like I said the hx950 has nice blacks but its not without blooming which is very noticeable. The triluminous display of the w900a is really impressive. Now of course this is subject to personal opinion.
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Hi all new to this forum! I have a question regarding the Sony KDL-55w900a. I am about to pull the trigger on buying this set but I saw the Sony KDL-55w905a reviewed on other sites. Now I just want to be sure, are these the same models and is the 905 just the model number for it in say the UK or other countries? I appreciate any and all info you can help with. Thanks
Same model, just different numbering.
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So the HX950 doesn't beat the 900a in Picture quality?

That's surprising with a comparison between a full array LED and an Edge Lit LED like the 900a.

With the price drop, this could be my future TV later this year, or early next year. However, I have read that there is no color management system with this tv. How are people calibrating their TV's with no color management system or no 10pt grayscale system?
The colors are pretty accurate even without the CMS. I do wish it had a 10pt, but you can get great results with the 2pt on this set.
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Ok. So I pick my W900 up from Best Buy this on the 4th. Given CNET's pretty strong review of the F8000 everyone still confident this is the better set?

From my understanding and questions to CNET the F8000 is smarter and has more features and settings with a stellar picture to boot but with awful lag.

The W900 has slightly better color and picture quality. It also performs much better in the lag category (best among LED's this year) however wifi connectivity, smart features and settings are more limited.

Sound correct?

Thoughts?

This is my first Sony tv. I've always had Samsung's and I have to admit I'm still a bit anxious here.
I could care less about the Smart features IMO. Although there is plenty of apps on this TV, but you cannot adjust any picture settings in them. Use your PS3 instead.

W900 > F8000 any day IMO. Superior input lag and great picture quality out of the box wins in my book.
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I woke up, today to an update, any idea what is does?

FYI you can adjust the PQ while youre in the YouTube app.
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I woke up, today to an update, any idea what is does?

FYI you can adjust the PQ while youre in the YouTube app.
I'll have to run the update today.

I didn't try all the apps, can't do it in Netflix.
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The Triluminous technology, as Sony calls it, is really the new Quantum Dot Enhancement Technology (QDEF} that
3M and Nanosys will be producing and selling to all tv manufacturer's soon.

I don't know why this hasn't gotten more press, but it promises to be much more energy efficient
and supposedly provides up to a 5O% greater color gamut. This is going to be a new drop in replacement for
backlight technologies in lcd production. It is more expensive now, but as usual will drop in price as time goes by.

Sony is out on the edge with it and no one seems aware of it.
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The Triluminous technology, as Sony calls it, is really the new Quantum Dot Enhancement Technology (QDEF} that
3M and Nanosys will be producing and selling to all tv manufacturer's soon.

I don't know why this hasn't gotten more press, but it promises to be much more energy efficient
and supposedly provides up to a 5O% greater color gamut. This is going to be a new drop in replacement for
backlight technologies in lcd production. It is more expensive now, but as usual will drop in price as time goes by.

Sony is out on the edge with it and no one seems aware of it.

Yes I think that is what makes the w900a look so good. I just trade back the hx950 for my original w900a. What a releif biggrin.gif I wish I could have taken a picture of the w900a and hx950 side by side to show the drastic difference in picture quality. The color depth on the w900a is unreal. All stores around my area are completely sold out of these sets.
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I did go into the Sony store today to take a look and have to admit the color on it is very impressive compared to every other tv they have short of the 4k models. I think I may just have to pick it up instead of the 850.
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Same model, just different numbering.
Thanks Xitman really appreciate your feedback. Pulling the trigger on this one tonight or tomorrow.
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Finally saw this set in action while having to deal with the worlds most annoying Sony rep that I finally had to shut up by correcting him on all his bs claims just to get him to leave me alone.

Anyways, I like it a lot, and it's impressive this TV is a gaming beast. I plan on picking one up after I get back from my camping trip.
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You know what I hate about Sony tv's in stores? They always have some stupid slideshow playing on them. Who watches image slideshows on their tv's? I want to see moving images, like movies, tv, gameplay etc.

Sony seems to love doing this as they did it with their old XBR's too. They always had some dumb slideshow showing on them.

Due to the gaming performance of these I would have already picked one up but I really want something bigger than a 55, a 65 at the least. Wish they would make a 65 version of this tv.

Input lag test results on the 52A750

"Maybe the input lag on this set matches the lag in your head therefore you don't perceive it".
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Not to mention they have their own display area away from everything else so its hard to compare to other sets rolleyes.gif
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After reading this thread and other reviews, ordered one of these for my little man-cave gaming/office room. I mentioned it a few pages back but if you have access to the Sony EPP Sony Style has a pretty decent price on the W900a, ordered mine and only had to pay taxes (lame.. would have to on Amazon too though), still came out less than most prices you'll find.
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After reading this thread and other reviews, ordered one of these for my little man-cave gaming/office room. I mentioned it a few pages back but if you have access to the Sony EPP Sony Style has a pretty decent price on the W900a, ordered mine and only had to pay taxes (lame.. would have to on Amazon too though), still came out less than most prices you'll find.

How much?

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I could care less about the Smart features IMO. Although there is plenty of apps on this TV, but you cannot adjust any picture settings in them. Use your PS3 instead.

W900 > F8000 any day IMO. Superior input lag and great picture quality out of the box wins in my book.


I have the Samsung 55F7100, I also have the Sony 52 HX909. I went to PC Richard two days ago to check out the 55W900A out.

I have had alot of tvs, some include the SOny 34XBR800, 30XBR910, LG Oled 15el9000, Samsung 32D5000, Sony 24FW900, Pioneer Elite Pro 1150, Pioneer Elite Pro 110 and the 9th gen variant of the Pioneer Elite 50 aswell, and the Sony 52HX909.

I now have the Samsung 55F7100 ( has the Samsung Panel TD01). I am VERY picky about tv's and I have had some very nice ones and varying tech (lcd, led, Oled, Plasma, DLP etc). Uniformity and input lag are TOPS for me, I mainly game on my tv's when I use them. So if there is banding or dirty screen effect it takes me out of the experience. The inpu lag destroys the gaming feel, so that has to be low aswell.

I really LOVE the Samsung 55F7100. It uniformity is the best I have seen on a flat panel and I know people will say that the Pioneer's should have been better and they would have if they didn't all suffer from DSE...

So getting back on topic to the Sony 55W900A, I went to see it to verify if it is better then the Samsung. I tried it out in Game mode, PS3 hooked up. This tv has banding on it, it is not nearly as bad as say my HX909 Sony I still have but its noticable in panning left to right in shooters or my torture test for flat panels GT5. Grey colors seem to show banding more then anything and GT5 has plenty of low level grey colors for the road and the W900a sadly has noticable Banding.

The input lag going from the F7100 in PC mode is a difference of one frame, per the Leo Badner tests, the Sony is 18ms and the F7100 is 38ms. I could not tell a difference between one frame of lag versus two. I play plenty of SF3 Third strike, everyone that plays that game knows that frame counting is needed to be consistent in reversals, on both tv's it just wasn't an issue.

Overall, I was expecting that is IF the Sony W900 was better then the Samsung , I would have bought the Sony and kept the Samsung for tv watching in the bedroom, but to my dissapointment the Sony still suffered from banding and to me that is one thing the Samsung really improved upon this year on the 55F7100. Beware that not all F7100 are Samsung panels.

If the F7100 didnt exist I would highly recommend the SOny for gaming but the uniformity (vertical banding) was just distracting to me.
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About a week ago I purchased a W900A. After a lot of research it seemed like the right one for me. I read a lot about 'Triluminous' and I believe it's good technology. Anyway, shortly after I received it I calibrated it (Spears & Munsil HD Benchmark 2nd Edition). The default settings were pretty close to what the calibration came up with but it improved it a bit. I've seen some high dollar TVs on display at Magnolia Home Theater and none of them, other than the new 4K XBR, had the color gamut of this W900A. This TV really amazes me. There are certain channels and certain shows that just blow me away. I really don't see any of the problems some people mention - maybe it's my lack of a critical eye - I don't know - but when the content is good, and the channel is good, I really don't see how any currently manufactured TV could be better. Some say that it doesn't handle black very well - I'm just not seeing that. The blacks look pitch black to me - at least in the television shows I'm watching. I haven't put up a black screen to test it - but I'm not sure that would really prove anything anyway. When I see black (not a shade of grey) in television shows it looks just as dark as the bezel to me. So, I'm very happy with it. I'm very glad I bought it even though it meant paying a premium price. Take a look at the clip below - the camera is an old Kodak without image stability so it's a little shaky, and it doesn't take the greatest video, but see what you think. Look at the vine in the background at about the 18s mark - it looks about as dark as the bezel doesn't it? To any perspective buyers this clip doesn't really do the TV justice - it looks significantly better in person.

Go to youtube and after the com enter /watch?v=UBn9JLh1bOg
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