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All very dissapointing that there is no replacement for the HX 850 in a 46inch version. What are they thinking?mad.gif


Sony is going in another direction it looks Korbrini. Looks to me like they are going bigger and phaseing out 46inchers. I dont know what Sony is thinking now days and I am starting to wonder if they even know themselves anymore. frown.gif

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I was told by a Sony rep that this model does not have local dimming. frown.gif
Not sure how they can justify such a steep price for features that is missing from the 950HX?
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I was told by a Sony rep that this model does not have local dimming. frown.gif
Not sure how they can justify such a steep price for features that is missing from the 950HX?

The W900A isn't a replacement for the HX950. It replaces the HX850.
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The W900A isn't a replacement for the HX950. It replaces the HX850.

Are you sure??? Where did you see or hear that from? So it's a replacement for the 850 but cost more than the 850 and 950 with less featurs like local dimming, gorilla glass. ect???

Now does that make sense to you?
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According to this it says it does.

http://store.sony.com/p/Sony-Internet-TV/en/p/KDL55W900A

Thanks everyone for the correction that it will have local dimming! smile.gif

What i don't understand than if it's a replacement for the 850 than why is it priced higher than the 950hx? I does not make sense to me???

Not sure I am understanding their pricing for this??
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The msrp of the 950 is $3599 on sale for 3199.
The msrp of the 850 was 2599 on sale for $1999, when it was around last.

The msrp of the w900a is $3299. On sale for _?
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The msrp of the 950 is $3599 on sale for 3199.
The msrp of the 850 was 2599 on sale for $1999, when it was around last.

The msrp of the w900a is $3299. On sale for _?

So to confirm is the 900A is a replacement for the 850? Where does Sony confirm this as fact? Sorry for the many questions but confused if this is or isn't a replacemnt for the 850? So they are charging about $700 more for the 850 replacememnt??

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Are you sure??? Where did you see or hear that from? So it's a replacement for the 850 but cost more than the 850 and 950 with less featurs like local dimming, gorilla glass. ect???

Now does that make sense to you?

I heard it from here, though it's not hard to see why. The only feature the W900A doesn't seem to have over the HX850 is gorilla glass. Its guts are largely the same, however, including the same type of dimming (neither are full array local dimming; both are edge-lit). What the W900A does have over its predecessor is a new display called Triluminos. It's reported to reproduce a much higher gamut of colors over existing screens, allowing for more vibrant, sharper images.

There seems to be a caveat, though. FlatpanelHD's preview put a splash on its hype by stating content has to be made to make use of the increased color gamut.
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I heard it from here, though it's not hard to see why. The only feature the W900A doesn't seem to have over the HX850 is gorilla glass. Its guts are largely the same, however, including the same type of dimming (neither are full array local dimming; both are edge-lit). What the W900A does have over its predecessor is a new display called Triluminos. It's reported to reproduce a much higher gamut of colors over existing screens, allowing for more vibrant, sharper images.

There seems to be a caveat, though. FlatpanelHD preview seemed to put a splash on its hype by stating content has to be made to make use of the increased color gamut.


Thanks AGuy01 for the explanation! smile.gif Will be interesting to see if their new technology (Triluminos) will justify the BIG price increase over the 850?
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The Triluminous display utilizes a technology called quantum dots.
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Conventional LCDs use a high-intensity blue LED backlight whose glow is converted by a phosphor coating to create a broadband, white light used to make the moving TV images. The new Triluminos tele*visions instead pair an uncoated blue LED with a thin glass tube filled with quantum dots. Two kinds of quantum dots in the tube absorb some of the blue light from the backlight and re-emit it as pure red andgreen light. The resulting white light is more intense at the wavelengths of these three specific colours than the white light made by a phosphor-coated LED, so that more colour comes through in the images.
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Also it doesn't have Gorilla glass it has some kind of quartz glass. They weigh about the same so who knows.
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Also, this television incorporates a long-duct speaker system aprox 1.2m enclosed in length to reproduce depth in bass and lower range sound.
Similarly to a BOSE wave system;


I'm not sure about this "quartz" glass, but the design mimics the composition of real quartz that have transparency as well as colour within it.
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It's been mentioned that Sony might be using a competing brand of protective glass. Dragontail was it?
As far as being a replacement for the HX850, it's what they were telling all the media people at CES.

The reasoning being it is a step down from the HX950's fully array lighting, but is the only edge lit for 2013 that will have local dimming.
Also, the HX950 is not being discontinued for probably another 6 months.

FINALLY, the w900a is a KDL series NOT an XBR.

As far as the pricing, I think there has only been one source quoting that $3300 price. I believe there are some retailers showing it will come out $1000 less. It may have been a mistake.

Seriously, who would take edge lighting over full array with a $200 difference? Sony wouldn't sell many.
I know I'd go for the known quantity of the 950 rather than the untested tech of quantum dots.

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At the store i work at it will cost 2800.i will b able to buy it for 2100
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Please wait while we find a Sony sales associate to assist you...Welcome to Sony! My name is Carlo C and I will be your sales product specialist today. How may I help you?Customer: What is going to be the replacment model for HX ### series TV's and when will it be available?

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LG is such a crappy brand its disappointing that many companies like Sony are relying on their cheap panels. We can learn lessons from Apples latest fiasco, with LG screens ghosting on macbook retina screens. In fact before i got my first HX850, i owned a flagship LG 47LX9500 TV after a year of use it started to develop a white smear around the borders of the screen which could be seen in sun light and was really annoying.
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LG is such a crappy brand its disappointing that many companies like Sony are relying on their cheap panels. We can learn lessons from Apples latest fiasco, with LG screens ghosting on macbook retina screens. In fact before i got my first HX850, i owned a flagship LG 47LX9500 TV after a year of use it started to develop a white smear around the borders of the screen which could be seen in sun light and was really annoying.

We don't know if the w900a uses an LG panel or not. We assume the 802a does because of the change in size, passive 3D and that report Sony was buying some LG panels.
Apple has used plenty of LG panels in the past with out issue, like the iPad.
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LG is such a crappy brand its disappointing that many companies like Sony are relying on their cheap panels. We can learn lessons from Apples latest fiasco, with LG screens ghosting on macbook retina screens. In fact before i got my first HX850, i owned a flagship LG 47LX9500 TV after a year of use it started to develop a white smear around the borders of the screen which could be seen in sun light and was really annoying.

We don't know if the w900a uses an LG panel or not. We assume the 802a does because of the change in size, passive 3D and that report Sony was buying some LG panels.
Apple has used plenty of LG panels in the past with out issue, like the iPad.

(??????????) In what way does the quality of hand-held sized panels have anything at all to do with the quality of TV sized panels?

Yes, it's true that color does not exist in the physical universe: it exists only in the brain. But this doesn't mean that one person can see blue internally as yellow and that another could see it as red. The reactions and recognition of colors is neurological in nature. Once it occurs there isn't yet another evaluation that takes place. Blue looks to me as blue in precisely the same way it does to you, by definition.
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LG is such a crappy brand its disappointing that many companies like Sony are relying on their cheap panels. We can learn lessons from Apples latest fiasco, with LG screens ghosting on macbook retina screens. In fact before i got my first HX850, i owned a flagship LG 47LX9500 TV after a year of use it started to develop a white smear around the borders of the screen which could be seen in sun light and was really annoying.

We don't know if the w900a uses an LG panel or not. We assume the 802a does because of the change in size, passive 3D and that report Sony was buying some LG panels.
Apple has used plenty of LG panels in the past with out issue, like the iPad.

(??????????) In what way does the quality of hand-held sized panels have anything at all to do with the quality of TV sized panels?


I wonder the same thing myself.

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I wonder the same thing myself.

The comment was in reference Mr. Marts comment on the retina MacBooks panels. What does it have to do with TV panels? Nothing.

The point is, we don't have the info to rush to judgement on a TV that isn't even released yet. We have no info. We don't know if it is an LG panel or not.
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I wonder the same thing myself.

The comment was in reference Mr. Marts comment on the retina MacBooks panels. What does it have to do with TV panels? Nothing.

The point is, we don't have the info to rush to judgement on a TV that isn't even released yet. We have no info. We don't know if it is an LG panel or not.

It's an active-3D panel, so the first guess I have leans toward it being from their "normal" supply chain and not LG, but it's pure pure pure guessing.

Yes, it's true that color does not exist in the physical universe: it exists only in the brain. But this doesn't mean that one person can see blue internally as yellow and that another could see it as red. The reactions and recognition of colors is neurological in nature. Once it occurs there isn't yet another evaluation that takes place. Blue looks to me as blue in precisely the same way it does to you, by definition.
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The w900a more money than the hx850 and hx950... What a crock. Cant believe i got my hopes up about this thing. No gorilla glass either... Another crock. I may steer to the samsung f8000 if these prices are real. Or wait another year... I mean 3300 for an edge lit!?!? Get out of here. Im sad frown.gif
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Cant believe i got my hopes up about this thing. No gorilla glass either... Another crock. I may steer to the samsung f8000 if these prices are real. Or wait another year... I mean 3300 for an edge lit!?!? Get out of here. Im sad frown.gif

According to this post by webgrandeur within my 2013: If Sony does move to LG panels, is it possibly the end of Sony PQ? thread (click through his link to the quoted article), The W900A is the replacement for the XBR8 series and is using quantum dot technology.
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According to this announcement their XBR8 series is being replaced with KDL-W900A based on QD Vision quantum dot technology and has begun shipping to stores. Since quantities aren't mentioned, I suspect they are floor demos, but I hope I'm wrong about that.

So Danediz, it might not be as bad as you're worried about. Don't freak out until you see the thing and the reviews are in.

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It's an active-3D panel, so the first guess I have leans toward it being from their "normal" supply chain and not LG, but it's pure pure pure guessing.

Curious.... I think we all know that the Samsung made S-PVA panels are prone to banding especially the 65+...... if Sony is indeed moving toward LG as previously mentioned..... how are LG panels in regards to vertical banding? Anyone with experience owning a large LG panel or have seen vertical banding issues mentioned in the LG threads?
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It's an active-3D panel, so the first guess I have leans toward it being from their "normal" supply chain and not LG, but it's pure pure pure guessing.

Curious.... I think we all know that the Samsung made S-PVA panels are prone to banding especially the 65+...... if Sony is indeed moving toward LG as previously mentioned..... how are LG panels in regards to vertical banding? Anyone with experience owning a large LG panel or have seen vertical banding issues mentioned in the LG threads?

I've seen it mentioned in user reviews of their high end panels. I don't know about the lower end. And I don't know to what degree.

Besides, look up one post. smile.gif

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So...... any mention as to what model 3D glasses are included with this TV yet?

I'd love to see a new design instead of recycling a pair of 250s or 750s, but being the only active set in their line up I am assuming they will recycle the old ones.
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I just found this thread - the word is active for the W900A according to this. For the other W-series (non-QD), the sony ecommerce website shows passive (probably the LG panel). Sadly, the sony site does not show an availability date for the W900A, only for the W802 and that is around 4/23.
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So...... any mention as to what model 3D glasses are included with this TV yet?

I'd love to see a new design instead of recycling a pair of 250s or 750s, but being the only active set in their line up I am assuming they will recycle the old ones.
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I just found this thread - the word is active for the W900A according to this. For the other W-series (non-QD), the sony ecommerce website shows passive (probably the LG panel). Sadly, the sony site does not show an availability date for the W900A, only for the W802 and that is around 4/23.

Please don't top post if you can avoid it.

The R550/520 line is also announced. ~16th.

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