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After a few weeks of playing with the settings, trying out different features and playing with my friends SpectraCal C3 with the CalMAN 5 software this is what I have found to be the best picture settings for my viewing. All TV viewing is via OTA HD

This setup gave the best of just about everything, contrast/detail, Black level, color pop, motion flow, and clarity.
Suited for DVD/Blue Ray viewing.

Picture mode - cinema 1
Backlight - 4
Picture - 90
Brightness - 50
Color - 54
Hue - 0
Color Temp - Warm 2
Sharpness - 60
Noise Reduction - Auto
Reality Creation - manual, Resolution 60, Noise Filtering - min
Motionflow - Standard

Everything Else Off

Advanced Settings
Gamma - -2
LED Dynamic Control - Standard
White Balance
0
-5
-1
0
0
0

Everything else is Off


For better contrast but slightly less detail and a better black level.
Suited for darker movies and OTA HD Sports

Picture mode - cinema 2
Backlight - 4 or 5
Picture - 84
Brightness - 45
Color - 54
Hue - 0
Color Temp - Warm 2
Sharpness - 60
Noise Reduction - Auto
Reality Creation - manual, Resolution 60, Noise Filtering - min
Motionflow - Standard

Everything Else Off

Advanced Settings
Gamma - 0
LED Dynamic Control - Standard
White Balance
0
-5
-1
0
0
0

Everything else is Off

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This tv changes its performance with APL patterns thats why
I didnt use them at that time just the windowed patterns from avshd709
So simple as that
You will have a complete different result calibrating with APL patterns than the usual
Windowed patterns.
Well. That is exactly what I already told you six weeks ago. That "test patterns" very easily can be misleading, depending on how they are laid out, because of the TV's smart picture analysis. Which particularly is of concern in picture mode "Standard/Custom", because these are the modes that ARE doing additional "optimization" of the signal (i.e.: applying sorts of filtering). In contrast to picture mode Cinema, which does liinear reproduction without any not-asked-for filtering. Kind of similar to Samsung TVs equipped with "Micro Dimming" - which is not "Dimming", but a kind of automatic picture enhancement - which in case of Samsung, is ever-ON in picture mode "Standard", but ever-OFF in picture mode "Cinema".

(Lesson learned over decades of digital image/video processing: "In case of doubt, just listen to uncle Didée.") smile.gif
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Well. That is exactly what I already told you six weeks ago. That "test patterns" very easily can be misleading, depending on how they are laid out, because of the TV's smart picture analysis. Which particularly is of concern in picture mode "Standard/Custom", because these are the modes that ARE doing additional "optimization" of the signal (i.e.: applying sorts of filtering). In contrast to picture mode Cinema, which does liinear reproduction without any not-asked-for filtering. Kind of similar to Samsung TVs equipped with "Micro Dimming" - which is not "Dimming", but a kind of automatic picture enhancement - which in case of Samsung, is ever-ON in picture mode "Standard", but ever-OFF in picture mode "Cinema".

(Lesson learned over decades of digital image/video processing: "In case of doubt, just listen to uncle Didée.") smile.gif

Do you mind posting your settings for us? I'm curious how you have calibrated your TV.
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great but those are old settings
i wasnt happy with the gamma curve with those so i started all over again to find that the Cinema Scene was the best.
Cinema Scene has the flatest gamma curve of them all and thats what i use for Blu Ray movies.
with Scene General the Gamma Cuve takes a dip around IRE 90 and makes the whites washed out.

the problem is that Cinema Scene hasnt the same wide gamut as the General mode. (only slight larger than SRGB with Live color is set to High)
so for Animated movies or xvcolor movies (mastered in 4k) i use the General Mode with Live Color set to High.

another Problem is that scene General has the best blacklevel.
nothing you will notice but its there.
i have compared the two with the same backlight and if you get lets say 0.019Y with scene General with backlight at 3 you get 0.025Y with scene Cinema.
so its a trade off using Scene Cinema but it still has the most accurate picture.

here is the new settings.
the Cinema mode is as close to reference as you get on this tv.
i use Live Color at LOW
with Live Color OFF Green and red are slight undersaturated.

Live Color at LOW and you are sure to get perfect saturation for all SRGB content.

2D Blu Ray:

Scene: Cinema
Picture Mode: CINEMA 1
BACKLIGHT: 0-10 (3=120cd/m2 with MotionFlow set to Clear) ( i prefer 6-8)
CONTRAST: MAX
BRIGHTNESS: 47
COLOUR: 50
HUE: 0
COLOR TEMPERATURE: WARM 2
SHARPNESS: 50
NOISE REDUCTION: OFF
MPEG NOISE REDUCTION: OFF
DOT NOISE REDUCTION: AUTO
REALITY CREATION: MANUAL
VIDEO AREA DETECTION: OFF
RESOLUTION: 30
NOISE FILTERING: MAX
SMOOTH GRADIATION: LOW
MOTIONFLOW: Clear/Standard (Blu Ray 24p/Standard Digital Broadcasts)
FILM MODE: AUTO

Advanced settings

BLACK CORRECTOR: LOW
ADV.CONTRAST ENHANCER: OFF!
GAMMA: 0
LED DYNAMIC CONTROL: STANDARD
AUTO LIGHT LIMITER: OFF
CLEAR WHITE: OFF
LIVE COLOR: LOW

WHITE BALLANCE:
R GAIN: 0
G GAIN: -4
B GAIN: -1
R BIAS: 0
G BIAS: 0
B BIAS: 0

DETAIL ENHANCER: OFF
EDGE ENHANCER: OFF
SKIN NEUTRALISER: OFF


2D settings for animated movies= (tested with Monsters University)

Scene: General
Picture Mode: Standard
BACKLIGHT: 8
CONTRAST: MAX
BRIGHTNESS: 49
COLOUR: 50
HUE: 0
COLOR TEMPERATURE: WARM 2
SHARPNESS: 50
NOISE REDUCTION: OFF
MPEG NOISE REDUCTION: OFF
DOT NOISE REDUCTION: AUTO
REALITY CREATION: MANUAL
VIDEO AREA DETECTION: OFF
RESOLUTION: 30
NOISE FILTERING: MAX
SMOOTH GRADIATION: LOW
MOTIONFLOW: STANDARD
FILM MODE: AUTO

Advanced settings

BLACK CORRECTOR: LOW
ADV.CONTRAST ENHANCER: OFF!
GAMMA: -1
LED DYNAMIC CONTROL: STANDARD
AUTO LIGHT LIMITER: OFF
CLEAR WHITE: OFF
LIVE COLOR: HIGH
WHITE BALLANCE:
R GAIN: 0
G GAIN: -4
B GAIN: -1
R BIAS: 0
G BIAS: 0
B BIAS: 0

DETAIL ENHANCER: OFF
EDGE ENHANCER: OFF
SKIN NEUTRALISER: OFF

3D settings: (tested with the movie EPIC in 3D)

Scene: General
Picture Mode: Standard
BACKLIGHT: MAX
CONTRAST: MAX
BRIGHTNESS: 50
COLOUR: 60
HUE: 0
COLOR TEMPERATURE: WARM 2
SHARPNESS: 50
NOISE REDUCTION: OFF
MPEG NOISE REDUCTION: OFF
DOT NOISE REDUCTION: AUTO
REALITY CREATION: MANUAL
VIDEO AREA DETECTION: OFF
RESOLUTION: 30
NOISE FILTERING: MAX
SMOOTH GRADIATION: LOW
MOTIONFLOW: Smooth
FILM MODE: AUTO

Advanced settings

BLACK CORRECTOR: LOW
ADV.CONTRAST ENHANCER: OFF!
GAMMA: -1
LED DYNAMIC CONTROL: STANDARD
AUTO LIGHT LIMITER: OFF
CLEAR WHITE: OFF
LIVE COLOR: HIGH
WHITE BALLANCE:
R GAIN: 0
G GAIN: -4
B GAIN: -1
R BIAS: 0
G BIAS: 0
B BIAS: 0

DETAIL ENHANCER: OFF
EDGE ENHANCER: OFF
SKIN NEUTRALISER: OFF

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http://privat.bahnhof.se/wb192876/w9_report111.jpg

 

Thanks for the updated settings pg_ice!

 

I will say though that it's getting to be a bit frustrating to have all this different calibration settings for different things I am watching.  Why cant it be as easy as this works for all lol.

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Buy a colormeter and you will see it for yourself.
How hard can it be ?
Why should I? I told from the start, without measuring equippment, that mode cinema is the good one. You actually have measuring equippment, and ... formerly you measured "use Standard!", now you measured "use Cinema!", ... well, whatever. Perhaps you buy some different equippment, and then you'll discover a different truth. Hail, hail, hail to the holy numbers ... or just go with what actually pleases ones eyes. (Of course, trained eyes do help.)

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Do you mind posting your settings for us? I'm curious how you have calibrated your TV.
See, my TV is not "calibrated", short of measuring equipp. My settings are basically cinema1 @warm1, with some adjustments here&there. If you expect any gamechanging magic - there is none, simple as that. Generally, I rather like talking about what does which picture option under which conditions, but don't want to suggest too much what people should or shouldn't use.
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So I have had my w900a for a while now, and am noticing something rather annoying. The app's interface is being extremely glitchy. When I load up the SEN by pressing the button on the remote, the loading bar will sit in the corner for a while and disappear. Then I press it again, and it does the same thing. I have to do this about 10 times for it to finally load up. Pressing the netflix button does the exact same thing. Loading bar in the corner, then it disappears. Once I am in either netflix or the SEN, it works without a problem. Has anyone else experienced this?
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I see that most of you post settings for blu ray dvd's and 3D viewing but what about for just watching regular cable channels. Do you all use the "Cinema 1" settings for watching regular tv and sports also? I have Direc tv and been trying a few different settings but Cinema 1 seemed kind of dark in some cases compared to Standard.
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So I have had my w900a for a while now, and am noticing something rather annoying. The app's interface is being extremely glitchy. When I load up the SEN by pressing the button on the remote, the loading bar will sit in the corner for a while and disappear. Then I press it again, and it does the same thing. I have to do this about 10 times for it to finally load up. Pressing the netflix button does the exact same thing. Loading bar in the corner, then it disappears. Once I am in either netflix or the SEN, it works without a problem. Has anyone else experienced this?


Make sure you have the latest firmware update, you can find that info in the TV's about screen.

http://esupport.sony.com/US/p/model-home.pl?mdl=KDL55W900A&LOC=3#/downloadTab

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I see that most of you post settings for blu ray dvd's and 3D viewing but what about for just watching regular cable channels. Do you all use the "Cinema 1" settings for watching regular tv and sports also? I have Direc tv and been trying a few different settings but Cinema 1 seemed kind of dark in some cases compared to Standard.

Yes I use the Cinema 1 or 2 profiles for my regular TV viewing smile.gif

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Yes I use the Cinema 1 or 2 profiles for my regular TV viewing smile.gif

If I change to Cinema 1 can I change back to all my custom settings without having to input everything again?

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Yes I use the Cinema 1 or 2 profiles for my regular TV viewing smile.gif
Ok cool. I'll give those settings you posted above a try tonight after work and see how that looks. What's the difference between Cinema 1 & Cinema 2 though?
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Ok cool. I'll give those settings you posted above a try tonight after work and see how that looks. What's the difference between Cinema 1 & Cinema 2 though?

Cinema 2 gives a better black level and more contrast. I use it for sports and some animated movies.

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Cinema 2 gives a better black level and more contrast. I use it for sports and some animated movies.

Also some additional sharpening. With identical settings and watching PC thru HDMI, text on Cinema 2 has some artifacting not found in Cinema 1. Not noticeable with non-text content, though.
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I'm new here, so I would like to say hello to all Sony KDL-55W900A Owners and everyone else. I've been following this thread for months and I would like to say thanks for all of the info. Based off of all the info here I went ahead and ordered this set from Crutchfield. It will be here today before 5pm. Main reason for this tv is gaming and movies. Can't wait to see Man of Steel 3D on this tv. Anyway, I have 2 quick question about my current tv  from 2006 or 2007 which is a Sharp AQUOS LC-60C52U. On hdtvsolutions.com, it says that my sharp has a response time of 4ms. Does this mean that my sharp is actually better for gaming than than my sony? Or was the response time just referring to ghosting and not actual input lag? I hope this question makes sense. Thanks in advance. 

 

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Sony KDL-55W900A
Screen Size                   55" Diagonal
Display Technology         LCD
Backlight Source            Edge-lit LED (dimming)
Resolution                     1920x1080
Pixel Pitch                     **
Aspect Ratio                  16:9
Contrast Ratio                1000000:1
Brightness                      **
Displayable Colors          **
Viewing Angle                178°
Display Life                     **
Response Time               **
Screen Filter                   **
Color System                  NTSC, ATSC
Formats                          480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p_60, 1080p_24, 1080p_30
 
 
Sharp Aquos LC-60C52U
Screen Size                     52" Diagonal
Display Technology           LCD
Backlight Source              Fluorescent
Resolution                        1920x1080
Pixel Pitch                       **
Aspect Ratio                    16:9
Contrast Ratio                  2000:1
Brightness                       450 cd/m2
Displayable Colors            **
Viewing Angle                  176°
Display Life                      60,000 hours
Response Time                4ms
Screen Filter                    **
Color System                   NTSC, ATSC
Formats                           480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p_60
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So Sony has finally agreed to ship me a replacement unit. They said I should get an email in a week or so with shipping info. 

 

Until I get the new unit and verify it's ok, I'd give Sony a 4/10 on customer service.  They gave me the runaround to the max.  

 

Also one caveat to note (that others may be aware of but I wasn't) is that the limited warranty is good for 12 months however if you're outside the initial 30 day window, they will choose to send you a refurb instead of new. 

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I’m a potential buyer looking to replace a 40’’XBR4 for gaming, BR movies and general HDTV viewing. Reading through the thread I think the W900 might be the perfect fit for me particularly for gaming and BR movies.

I’m all but sold on the 900 my one concern is off center viewing. The W900 scored below average in that category in reviews I’ve read around the net. I’ll be front and center but for football games and movie night I will have viewers anywhere from 4’-6’ off center approximately 8’ away from the TV. How far off center does one have to be before things start getting bad on the 900?

Out of curiosity I was also wondering if anyone has tested an XBR4/5 for input lag, I did some searches but really didn’t come up with anything concrete.
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Digitalversus review:

http://www.digitalversus.com/tv-television/sony-kdl-55w900a-p15221/test.html#full-review

They are saying it has 50ms of input lag compared to a CRT, that is 42ms higher rating then what
HDTVtest stated..... Somthing fishy is going on. Digital versus also said the blacks were at .09 and HDTVtest said .049 .. thats
a large discrepancy as-well... I really wanted to get this for the neext gen systems because of the low input lag... now I dont know who to believe!

I dunno where you're getting your info, this is the best big screen set for gaming period with the lowest input lag of any available at 19.7 ms.
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Also some additional sharpening. With identical settings and watching PC thru HDMI, text on Cinema 2 has some artifacting not found in Cinema 1.
The basic sharpness is identical in Cinema1 and Cinema2. The difference, however, is in the Reality Creation. When 'resolution' is set manually, then (with identical values) the RC is acting much stronger in Cinema2 than in Cinema1. Something like 1.5 to 2 times stronger, hard to tell exactly ... i.e. if you have RC:resolution=20 in Cinema2, then you need resolution=30~40 in Cinema1 to get the same sharpening level.
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The basic sharpness is identical in Cinema1 and Cinema2. The difference, however, is in the Reality Creation. When 'resolution' is set manually, then (with identical values) the RC is acting much stronger in Cinema2 than in Cinema1. Something like 1.5 to 2 times stronger, hard to tell exactly ... i.e. if you have RC:resolution=20 in Cinema2, then you need resolution=30~40 in Cinema1 to get the same sharpening level.

Cinema 1 and 2 really do act different depending on your settings. I backed RC down to 45 on Cinema 2 and it took out some of the digital trash around texted objects and still left a sharper image than cinema 1 at a higher setting. tongue.gif

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The basic sharpness is identical in Cinema1 and Cinema2. The difference, however, is in the Reality Creation. When 'resolution' is set manually, then (with identical values) the RC is acting much stronger in Cinema2 than in Cinema1. Something like 1.5 to 2 times stronger, hard to tell exactly ... i.e. if you have RC:resolution=20 in Cinema2, then you need resolution=30~40 in Cinema1 to get the same sharpening level.

Makes sense. Thanks for the info--I never took the time to drill down into what settings cause the difference.
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Can any of the XBR 4/5 owners comment on how the W900 compares when watching off center. Is it as good, better, or worse?
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Got prompted this morning for a firmware update to the TV. It took only a minute to download, I assume everyone got it?
Nothing up on Sony e-support on what it does.
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I was not able to adjust the settings in Netflix app. So I don't use any of the apps and use a mix of my PS3 and WD TV Live instead.

Anyone have a follow up on this? I'm debating buying this set and this is an issue for me. I can't stand soap opera effect, so if it can't be turned off for the smart TV features like Netflix, it almost ruins the TV for me.
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I'm trying to decide between this TV and the Samsung F8000. CNET says the Sony has the edge in PQ, so that should be it, right? The thing is, I'm currently using a Samsung F7500 and I love the remote control it comes with. Not only does it feel good in the hand and have just a few buttons, but with the included IR Blaster, I can control my fairly old Sony receiver with the Samsung BT remote--without even having to point it at the set. (One remote to rule them all!)
I went to Best Buy today in the hopes that they would be able to tell me whether I could do the same with the Sony. They couldn't.
How about it? Is this possible with the 900A?
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Anyone have a follow up on this? I'm debating buying this set and this is an issue for me. I can't stand soap opera effect, so if it can't be turned off for the smart TV features like Netflix, it almost ruins the TV for me.

The consensus is that you can change the picture settings in the youtube app and the settings will follow for all other apps.
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The consensus is that you can change the picture settings in the youtube app and the settings will follow for all other apps.

I stream Netflix a lot and I find that it is program dependent more than it is the TV. For example, Longmire demonstrates SOE quite a bit. But many shows hardly have and SOE. Really, most show's I've watched do not have it at all. I have not tried to change settings in Youtube, so I can't comment on that. -I would not let this sway your decision on this TV. It is very minimal in my day to day Netflixing. And network TV and movies, Bluray or otherwise, look absolutely great. No SOE at all.
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I went down to BB after work today to see the 900 and I was really impressed. I’m ready to jump and BB’s price is the same as amazon right now.
Do you guys think it’s worth waiting for a Black Friday or holiday deal?

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I went down to BB after work today to see the 900 and I was really impressed. I’m ready to jump and BB’s price is the same as amazon right now.
Do you guys think it’s worth waiting for a Black Friday or holiday deal?

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Probably not. You generally don't see high end sets on black Friday sales. Whether there'll be a price drop during the holiday season at all is another question, but I don't know that it would be anything that would blow you away.
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I went down to BB after work today to see the 900 and I was really impressed. I’m ready to jump and BB’s price is the same as amazon right now.
Do you guys think it’s worth waiting for a Black Friday or holiday deal?

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Probably not. You generally don't see high end sets on black Friday sales. Whether there'll be a price drop during the holiday season at all is another question, but I don't know that it would be anything that would blow you away.

 

It won't be anything that will blow him away if it is a retailer discount he's expecting.  Manufacturers themselves can slash prices on their lines (using much coarser granularity than just a few BF days), but ever since the major manufacturers have been following the UPP cartel-style pricing, things have never been like the black fridays of even 3 years ago.

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I went down to BB after work today to see the 900 and I was really impressed. I’m ready to jump and BB’s price is the same as amazon right now.
Do you guys think it’s worth waiting for a Black Friday or holiday deal?

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The tv's you will see on black friday will be from dynex, insignia, sharp, and toshiba.
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