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Ok, a LOT of problems recently, mostly because of the new vBulletin system and that the website G O O . G L is now blocked by AVS. Great.



The 2013 Sony R550(A) series TV (2K, Edge-lit, passive 3D!) have been out since April 16th, 2013.

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  1. Editable Link Shut Down 30-NOV-2013 Due to Vandalism. Sorry guys, but protecting this thing ended up being absurdly tough; the google docs spreadsheet protections had bugs in them. Perhaps I'll recheck it at some point, but this TV model is aging anyway, and there are a lot of settings in the non-editable version.

    If you have settings you really want in there, please download the blank spreadsheet (link below), fill in your settings, and PM me back with them. I'll put them into the settings spread sheet.
  2. Here is the google docs spreadsheet to settings. You can't add anything to it, so don't try. It's completely write protected (criminey, I hope anyway).
  3. If you would like to have a blank sheet to print out and record your own values, you can get it here. I would suggest keeping track of your changes by putting the date at the top of the colum. Keep it near your TV. Trust me: you will not be able to keep track of things over time and you'll suffer the horrendously painful regret of saying to yourself "now WHAT was that setting that worked so well?"

Here is a rundown of the features of the R550A and R520A.
Sony BRAVIA® R550A-series LED LCD HDTV with 3D
• Brilliant Full HD (1080p) picture quality with Edge LED backlight
• Motionflow™ XR 240 and Clear Resolution Enhancer
• Passive 3D, with 4 pairs of glasses included
• Built-in Wi-Fi for streaming connectivity, including Sony Entertainment Network™
• Screen Mirroring via Wi-Fi
• RVU (ready for full DirecTV service and HD DVR functionality without additional receivers)- and MHL(ready for mirroring second screens) -ready
• USB playback
• Screen sizes include 70-inch (KDL-70R550A), 60-inch (KDL-60R550A) and 50-inch (KDL-50R550A)

Sony BRAVIA® R520A-series LED LCD HDTV
• Brilliant Full HD (1080p) picture quality with Edge LED backlight
• Motionflow™ XR 240 and Clear Resolution Enhancer
• Built-in Wi-Fi for streaming connectivity, including Sony Entertainment Network™
• Screen Mirroring via Wi-Fi
• RVU (ready for full DirecTV service and HD DVR functionality without additional receivers)- and MHL(ready for mirroring second screens) -ready
• USB playback
• Screen sizes include 70-inch (KDL-70R520A) and 60-inch (KDL-60R520A)


 
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#27 ·

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Originally Posted by JacobC1983  /t/1460590/official-2013-sony-r550a-series-tvs-kdl-xxr550a-50-60-and-70/0_100#post_23078165


Looking forward to the 70 inch version of this set. I wonder how it compares to the sharp 70 inch 847 model
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Originally Posted by BSTNFAN  /t/1460590/official-2013-sony-r550a-series-tvs-kdl-xxr550a-50-60-and-70/0_100#post_23080874

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Originally Posted by tgm1024  /t/1460590/official-2013-sony-r550a-series-tvs-kdl-xxr550a-50-60-and-70#post_23080819


Passive is why I'm considering Sony again. And (God willing) they can do as good a job as LG did with it. LG's main problem was everything ELSE with their TV's.

I too prefer passive 3D and have been waiting for a 70"+ display. The only other one I am aware of is the soon to release Vizio M701i (ignoring the overpriced 4K displays, for now). Are there others?


How close are you two planning on sitting from the 70"ers?
 
#28 ·

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Originally Posted by tgm1024  /t/1460590/official-2013-sony-r550a-series-tvs-kdl-xxr550a-50-60-and-70#post_23080910



How close are you two planning on sitting from the 70"ers?

My primary veiwing position is at approximately 12 feet. I would move closer, but this is still a multi-function room and I don't have "permission" to do so at this time. Current display is a 65" non-3D.
 
#29 ·

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Originally Posted by BSTNFAN  /t/1460590/official-2013-sony-r550a-series-tvs-kdl-xxr550a-50-60-and-70/0_100#post_23080941

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Originally Posted by tgm1024  /t/1460590/official-2013-sony-r550a-series-tvs-kdl-xxr550a-50-60-and-70#post_23080910



How close are you two planning on sitting from the 70"ers?

My primary veiwing position is at approximately 12 feet. I would move closer, but this is still a multi-function room and I don't have "permission" to do so at this time. Current display is a 65" non-3D.

BTW, maybe wait a bit for some AVSforum review feedback on that Vizio. There's something about the Vizio picture that always makes me cringe.
 
#30 ·

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There's something about the Vizio picture that always makes me cringe.

You're not alone my friend.



That aside, I am very intrigued to see the 70R550A. I'm stupidly optimistic that it'll end up being a great option.
 
#31 ·
I am planning on sitting about 10 feet from the screen. I am mounting it on a telescoping and swiveling wall mount so I can move it in and out as I see fit. I like to sit closer for games and further away for movies.


I am expecting this set to have PQ similar to Sony HX750 series which would be fine by me as long as there isn't terrible clouding and backlight bleed. Hoping for the best from this set. I am expecting this to be my next purchase. I don't care much about the 3D - I just want the best PQ for the money (my budget is $3000) - and I have my heart set on 70 inch +
 
#32 ·

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Originally Posted by hoozthatat  /t/1460590/official-2013-sony-r550a-series-tvs-kdl-xxr550a-50-60-and-70/0_100#post_23081211

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There's something about the Vizio picture that always makes me cringe.

You're not alone my friend.



That aside, I am very intrigued to see the 70R550A. I'm stupidly optimistic that it'll end up being a great option.

Well here's something that has me worried.


The R550A series has no mention of any localized light control capability at all; no local dimming. This is what tanked many other TVs in 2012 IMO.


HOWEVER, the Sony W802A (see my 802 thread
) seems to have no mention of the words "Local Dimming" either BUT they have two similar items:
  1. "Frame Dimming" (which is something that I believe most folks could not STAND about Samsung TVs----so I'm hoping this isn't the same thing---because THAT particular effect can be brutally unpleasant), and
  2. "Dynamic Edge LED Backlight".


The 2nd sounds like a variant of local dimming (measured in reverse?).
 
#35 ·

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Originally Posted by Xtrasmiley  /t/1460590/official-2013-sony-r550a-series-tvs-kdl-xxr550a-50-60-and-70/0_100#post_23093870


Yup, their 2013 line up is ready to roll!

???????????????

Where are you getting this from? The sony site is listing several models as mid april release!


The current MSRP and ship dates from Sony are as follows:


50" KDL-50R550A $1199.99 (April 16, 2013)

60" KDL-60R550A $1749.99 (April 16, 2013)

70" KDL-70R550A $2699.99 (April 16, 2013)
 
#37 ·

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Originally Posted by tgm1024  /t/1460590/official-2013-sony-r550a-series-tvs-kdl-xxr550a-50-60-and-70/30#post_23094291


???????????????

Where are you getting this from? The sony site is listing several models as mid april release!


The current MSRP and ship dates from Sony are as follows:


50" KDL-50R550A $1199.99 (April 16, 2013)

60" KDL-60R550A $1749.99 (April 16, 2013)

70" KDL-70R550A $2699.99 (April 16, 2013)

From an email from Sony, and to clarify, "ready to roll" actually means, "ready to preorder"!!!!


But I guess it's close.
 
#40 ·
Yep, Sony has thrown in the towel and started buying 3d passive panels from LG as well. This was first reported in the Korean Times a year ago. As such it is a S-IPS panel just like all the other passive 3D sets and as such will share a lot of the same black level and screen uniformity issues as LG's. Sony's implementation may end up improving this a little, but I wouldn't bet on it being a huge improvement. Samsung right now is the only TV maker left soldiering on with active. Panasonic and Sony are now both going to LG for LCD 3D panels. I'm curious to see some sets come out with a direct-lit led implementation of LG's panels. That should help a little with uniformity and black level. I know LG is releasing one series this year.
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/tech/2012/01/129_103814.html

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2012/04/133_108118.html


Here's the official listing on Sony's site:
http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921666519659#features
 
#41 ·

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Originally Posted by bargugl  /t/1460590/official-2013-sony-r550a-series-tvs-kdl-xxr550a-50-60-and-70/30#post_23096162


Yep, Sony has thrown in the towel and started buying 3d passive panels from LG as well. This was first reported in the Korean Times a year ago. As such it is a S-IPS panel just like all the other passive 3D sets and as such will share a lot of the same black level and screen uniformity issues as LG's. Sony's implementation may end up improving this a little, but I wouldn't bet on it being a huge improvement. Samsung right now is the only TV maker left soldiering on with active. Panasonic and Sony are now both going to LG for LCD 3D panels. I'm curious to see some sets come out with a direct-lit led implementation of LG's panels. That should help a little with uniformity and black level. I know LG is releasing one series this year.
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/tech/2012/01/129_103814.html

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2012/04/133_108118.html


Here's the official listing on Sony's site:
http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921666519659#features

What do you mean Samsung is the only one, what about Sharp? I was considering the Sharp 70" active 3D set.
 
#44 ·
WHOA. True, LG is the largest supplier of IPS panels, but I can't find them committing to that for their model lines in 2012, can you? In 2012, the only ones I see who put IPS right out in front was the Panasonic line. Some AV-o-philes have been doing the "lupe test" as a result. And, all the LG lines suffer from off-angle viewing: but that's subjective to me, so YMMV.


Further, most of you know this, but absolutely not all IPS are created equal. In fact, among S-IPS, (I'm less subjectively condemning of alpha-IPS) I've been bitterly disappointed by the jump on the bandwagon phrasing similar to "woo hoo! 178° angle viewing!" IRL, it just isn't what it sounds like. There is such a surprising luminosity loss pass 45° (!!!) but to me the colors skew with it and I don't care WHAT the specs say, and it resulted in me punting the Panasonic ET5 as a contender. I found one reviewer who pointed this out, and I didn't believe him, and I even posted about it. Then I visited a few places and saw for myself that he was right.


Sony sets have almost always shown wonderful off angle viewing in the past. In particular, their S-PVA, even though still vertical alignment, completely shamed the Panasonics A-IPS and S-IPS when I've seen them.


Long and short of this: If sony is committing to IPS panels, I'm hoping they hold to their normally stringent PQ guidelines.
 
#45 ·

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Originally Posted by steve1971  /t/1460590/official-2013-sony-r550a-series-tvs-kdl-xxr550a-50-60-and-70/0_100#post_23097989


So the way I understand it Sony is now going with LG panels for their 2013 models? Interesting.

Well, here's a link to it if you like: There are others.



Sony Ups Reliance on LG for LCD Screens



I'm not happy about this in the least, frankly.
 
#46 ·

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Originally Posted by tgm1024  /t/1460590/official-2013-sony-r550a-series-tvs-kdl-xxr550a-50-60-and-70/30#post_23098488


WHOA. True, LG is the largest supplier of IPS panels, but I can't find them committing to that for their model lines in 2012, can you? In 2012, the only ones I see who put IPS right out in front was the Panasonic line. Some AV-o-philes have been doing the "lupe test" as a result. And, all the LG lines suffer from off-angle viewing: but that's subjective to me, so YMMV.


Further, most of you know this, but absolutely not all IPS are created equal. In fact, among S-IPS, (I'm less subjectively condemning of alpha-IPS) I've been bitterly disappointed by the jump on the bandwagon phrasing similar to "woo hoo! 178° angle viewing!" IRL, it just isn't what it sounds like. There is such a surprising luminosity loss pass 45° (!!!) but to me the colors skew with it and I don't care WHAT the specs say, and it resulted in me punting the Panasonic ET5 as a contender. I found one reviewer who pointed this out, and I didn't believe him, and I even posted about it. Then I visited a few places and saw for myself that he was right.


Sony sets have almost always shown wonderful off angle viewing in the past. In particular, their S-PVA, even though still vertical alignment, completely shamed the Panasonics A-IPS and S-IPS when I've seen them.


Long and short of this: If sony is committing to IPS panels, I'm hoping they hold to their normally stringent PQ guidelines.

The LG LM6700 uses one of their IPS panels and the off axis viewing is the worst I've seen on any FP in a long time. Absolutely horrible.

Of course that's just one of the issues on a long list of issues with that FP.
 
#47 ·

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Originally Posted by hoozthatat  /t/1460590/official-2013-sony-r550a-series-tvs-kdl-xxr550a-50-60-and-70/0_100#post_23098643

Quote:
Originally Posted by tgm1024  /t/1460590/official-2013-sony-r550a-series-tvs-kdl-xxr550a-50-60-and-70/30#post_23098488


WHOA. True, LG is the largest supplier of IPS panels, but I can't find them committing to that for their model lines in 2012, can you? In 2012, the only ones I see who put IPS right out in front was the Panasonic line. Some AV-o-philes have been doing the "lupe test" as a result. And, all the LG lines suffer from off-angle viewing: but that's subjective to me, so YMMV.


Further, most of you know this, but absolutely not all IPS are created equal. In fact, among S-IPS, (I'm less subjectively condemning of alpha-IPS) I've been bitterly disappointed by the jump on the bandwagon phrasing similar to "woo hoo! 178° angle viewing!" IRL, it just isn't what it sounds like. There is such a surprising luminosity loss pass 45° (!!!) but to me the colors skew with it and I don't care WHAT the specs say, and it resulted in me punting the Panasonic ET5 as a contender. I found one reviewer who pointed this out, and I didn't believe him, and I even posted about it. Then I visited a few places and saw for myself that he was right.


Sony sets have almost always shown wonderful off angle viewing in the past. In particular, their S-PVA, even though still vertical alignment, completely shamed the Panasonics A-IPS and S-IPS when I've seen them.


Long and short of this: If sony is committing to IPS panels, I'm hoping they hold to their normally stringent PQ guidelines.

The LG LM6700 uses one of their IPS panels and the off axis viewing is the worst I've seen on any FP in a long time. Absolutely horrible.

Of course that's just one of the issues on a long list of issues with that FP.

Yeah, I remember that model being a particular disappointment to you, and I don't like any of the LG's off-angle. The higher models increase their DCR and FR, but the image is clobbered to the side, still.


Curious, did LG actually state anywhere that the 6700 was definitely an IPS (and not just their "sometimes" thing)?
 
#48 ·
LG claims that all their FPR paneled TV's are IPS so that would include the 6700. That would make sense as most of the non IPS TV's LG has produced the past couple years were ones where they outsourced the panels and LG Display and LG Chem have not licensed out the FPR process to anyone. Every review I've read of an LM product specifies an IPS panel, not that most of them do a good job of checking them independently.
 
#49 ·

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Originally Posted by bargugl  /t/1460590/official-2013-sony-r550a-series-tvs-kdl-xxr550a-50-60-and-70/0_100#post_23099571


LG claims that all their FPR paneled TV's are IPS so that would include the 6700.
Where?

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That would make sense as most of the non IPS TV's LG has produced the past couple years were ones where they outsourced the panels and LG Display and LG Chem have not licensed out the FPR process to anyone. Every review I've read of an LM product specifies an IPS panel,

Not me. I see that particular spec left out of it. I assumed it's because it's not listed by LG in the first place. Do you have a link to an LG spec sheet that shows it's guaranteed to have an IPS panel?

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not that most of them do a good job of checking them independently.
 
#50 ·

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Originally Posted by bargugl  /t/1460590/official-2013-sony-r550a-series-tvs-kdl-xxr550a-50-60-and-70/0_100#post_23099571


LG claims that all their FPR paneled TV's are IPS so that would include the 6700.
Where?

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Originally Posted by bargugl 

That would make sense as most of the non IPS TV's LG has produced the past couple years were ones where they outsourced the panels and LG Display and LG Chem have not licensed out the FPR process to anyone. Every review I've read of an LM product specifies an IPS panel,

Not me. I see that particular spec left out of it. I assumed it's because it's not listed by LG in the first place. Do you have a link to an LG spec sheet that shows it's guaranteed to have an IPS panel?


For instance, here's an LG spec sheet for their 3rd highest TV, the 7600.
g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/electronics/lg/Specs/LM7600._V134644100_.pdf
 
#51 ·
Well LG Display currently only produces IPS and OLED panels for TV's. (They do make other types for smaller devices). LG Display created and owns FPR technology. The FPR film is currently only made by LG Chem. They have not licensed the tech to any other company as of yet. Therefore, LG Display is the only manufacturer of FPR panels. If all LG Display panels for TV are IPS or OLED, than all FPR panels must be IPS or OLED. There is also this literature from LG stating that FDR panels are IPS:
http://us.fpr3d.com/3d-faq/about-fpr.jsp


I don't have time to dig up more stuff right at the moment.
 
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