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wmassie's Avatar wmassie 05:38 AM 07-11-2013

I have the 70 inch - trying to improve the black levels. Is there anyway to create and save 2 custom picture settings - one for day and the other for nighttime viewing and call them up easily? What is the best setting for a very bright room?



tgm1024's Avatar tgm1024 07:24 AM 07-11-2013

What I'm finding peculiar is that there are settings that seem to change the sensitivity to changes in red & green.

 

One batch of settings will be half the time perfect with faces and half the time with glowing lavendar lips and tongue.  (Depending on the channel).

 

Another batch of settings will be 90% of the time perfect with faces and 10% of the time completely botch the lips and tongue thing.


gimmesomemore's Avatar gimmesomemore 07:45 AM 07-11-2013
I'm eagerly awaiting my replacement 70" set. Current set has clouding/flash lighting that I cannot live with, as it shows up on the bottom of letterboxed content. cI want to love this model, and hope that my second set does not disappoint. Any current users experiencing similar issues? Hoping its just a bad unit and not a widespread problem.check out the pic
rolltide1017's Avatar rolltide1017 08:06 AM 07-11-2013
Do the R550's switch your settings when you go to watch 3D content? I just read that the Vizio switch to vivid whenever 3D is detected, you then have switch it back to what you really want. That will annoy me to no end, I want to calibrate it and forget it, I don't want to have to keep switch color modes all the time. My wife will hate it as well, she doesn't want to have to do settings, just turn on and go.
Steve S's Avatar Steve S 08:24 AM 07-11-2013
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Do the R550's switch your settings when you go to watch 3D content? I just read that the Vizio switch to vivid whenever 3D is detected, you then have switch it back to what you really want. That will annoy me to no end, I want to calibrate it and forget it, I don't want to have to keep switch color modes all the time. My wife will hate it as well, she doesn't want to have to do settings, just turn on and go.

many 3D sets brighten when in 3D mode to compensate for the tinted glasses. With most, including the Sony iirc, the picture settings for 3D can be adjusted separately, but only while the set is actually in 3D mode. This lets you save preferred settings for both 2D and 3D and the set will automatically switch between those "sets of settings" when appropriate. On my LG I have the backlight setting at 80 for 3D and about 35 for 2D, other settings are pretty much the same for both modes.

The 2D settings for most sets are just too dim when using the tinted 3D glasses so this is actually a good thing, although it does mean having to set up different settings one time for 3D.

I don't know if the Vizio is actually forcing Vivid when in 3D or just auto-brightening. I do know most other brands don't force any particular "pic mode" when in 3D, they just brighten up.
Bama29's Avatar Bama29 08:33 AM 07-11-2013
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What I'm finding peculiar is that there are settings that seem to change the sensitivity tochanges in red & green.

One batch of settings will be half the time perfect with faces and half the time with glowing lavendar lips and tongue.  (Depending on the channel).

Another batch of settings will be 90% of the time perfect with faces and 10% of the time completely botch the lips and tongue thing.

What you are describing drives me nuts as well. It is all about the source. What is even more frustrating is that a source Like CBS or NBC does not remain consistent even from show to show. I guess the best you can do is adjust your set to look properly using something like Digital Video Essentials, AVS709, Disney WOW, or Spears and Munsil disks and then sit back and enjoy the view...
mp06011999's Avatar mp06011999 08:44 AM 07-11-2013
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Mine has that too, but not that bad. I've contemplated exchanging it, but given that the Vizio was FAR worse and so is your's, I figure I better stick with what I got. I tried taking pics to post like you did, but can't get them to come out right.

I have a little clouding in the upper left and a spot almost dead center. None viewable except in an all black screen. I believe this is indicative of LCD.

The Vizio I tried had definitive spots all around the frame.

Oh, and if my window blinds are open (bright room) you can't see the clouding at all.
Ace King's Avatar Ace King 11:49 AM 07-11-2013
So would it be safe to assume that the R550A models have clouding issues? I understand all LED-LCD TVs are susceptible to this problem, but in general is Samsung better with clouding? Thanks.
Bama29's Avatar Bama29 11:56 AM 07-11-2013
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So would it be safe to assume that the R550A models have clouding issues? I understand all LED-LCD TVs are susceptible to this problem, but in general is Samsung better with clouding? Thanks.

No. Clouding problems in the R550 are the exception rather than the rule... My 70" has no discernible clouding at any ambient light level with the settings I normally watch with. If you place the set on eye searing back light levels, then yes you can make the set show some clouds but certainly not any more than the normal LCD/LED.
tgm1024's Avatar tgm1024 12:38 PM 07-11-2013
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Do the R550's switch your settings when you go to watch 3D content? I just read that the Vizio switch to vivid whenever 3D is detected, you then have switch it back to what you really want. That will annoy me to no end, I want to calibrate it and forget it, I don't want to have to keep switch color modes all the time. My wife will hate it as well, she doesn't want to have to do settings, just turn on and go.

many 3D sets brighten when in 3D mode to compensate for the tinted glasses.

 

Yeah, more specifically though: each eye is actually throwing away half the scanlines, hence half the total lightoutput.  Frankly, I'm still not completely sure what the Sony model for this one is yet....I forgot to check.


tgm1024's Avatar tgm1024 12:39 PM 07-11-2013
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So would it be safe to assume that the R550A models have clouding issues? I understand all LED-LCD TVs are susceptible to this problem, but in general is Samsung better with clouding? Thanks.

 

Trying to pin down just WHAT a "Samsung" is can be a little tough.  At least in the past, they've had an extensive panel lottery that many seem to think was the worst in the industry.


Ace King's Avatar Ace King 01:21 PM 07-11-2013
Just to share my experience, I bought the 70-inch R550A from Walmart online for $2199 on June 30th. Yesterday, SEKO (Walmart's carrier) came to my house to deliver the TV, but when I went outside to look at the package, the box was badly damaged. It had one corner smashed in, and about 1/5th of the box was ripped open, and you could see the inside packing material was broken in few places, too. I refused the delivery and sent it back. I can't believe they would even attempt to deliver such a package. I've contacted Walmart and they are sending me a replacement. The ETA is about two weeks out. I will post my unpacking and setup experience with some pics when it gets here. Hopefully the TV will survive the delivery. Walmart is slow.
gimmesomemore's Avatar gimmesomemore 01:22 PM 07-11-2013
The sad thing is the backlight is turned down, on this Sony. I am really hoping the next unit is great and this is just an anomaly. Other than the clouding, I am very pleased with the set. While it's true that some light clouding is probably inherent in the LCD/LED technology, I find this amount to be completely unacceptable. I have 2 sammy LED's, a sammy LCD, a Sharp LCD, a Toshiba LCD, and a no-name LCD (no I'm not crazy, I have a house and cottage to fill with panels! !), and none have clouding that is discernible. Oddly enough, my 5 year old Sharp had some banding when I first bought it. You could only faintly see the bands in a blank screen, but somehow it seems to have evened out over the years and I cannot see it at all now! Will report back once I have picked up the replacement unit this weekend.
letsgetitstarted's Avatar letsgetitstarted 02:32 PM 07-11-2013
quick question guys, i just hooked up a new genie from direct tv to my new tv.

what settings should we have as far as on the direct tv options? only check 1080p? or also check 1080i?

also native should be left on or off?

who would do the better job of up converting?

i have it all hooked up to a Yamaha RX-V675 7.2 Channel Network 3D AV Receiver with Airplay in case this matters?


thanks guys!!
tgm1024's Avatar tgm1024 07:38 PM 07-11-2013

Alright.  Hmmmm....

 

In the settings file, I've noticed that everyone prefers "CineMotion" to be "Auto 2".

 

Is the CineMotion setting a 24fps only issue?  It seems to apply to cable tv, but I'm beginning to wonder if I'm getting a psycho-somatic response here because "Auto 1" seems to work best.


tgm1024's Avatar tgm1024 07:49 PM 07-11-2013

By the way, in the settings file, if you hate the thick diagonal lines that google likes to draw through the cells I want to be un-editable, then please feel free to turn off your viewing of "protected ranges".

 

You can do this by navigating to "View -> Protected Ranges"


HGN2001's Avatar HGN2001 04:53 AM 07-12-2013
Putting Cinemotion in Auto1 gives the Soap Opera Effect to filmed content. It truly does smooth out motion, and IMHO does it really well. Most feel too well, I suppose as most forums like this seem to decry the Soap Opera Effect.

I actually mostly leave it set to Auto1, but like to play around with it. As I watch an old movie or filmed TV show and put it on, it makes the program seem like it was shot live or on videotape, as the motion is so smooth. I've found a few applications where this effect enhances the presentation: one is with the old DARK SHADOWS movies. As that series was shot daily on videotape, the film always looked "funny" being on film. Now I can use the Soap Opera Effect and make the old movie look like the TV series.

Another application that works well is any material that's supposed to represent live-TV - like scenes in THE CHINA SYNDROME, for example. Seeing these with the SOE enhances their reality appearance. Bottom line is that it;s nice that we can turn it on and off. In fact, a dedicated button on a remote would really be nice.

Harry
frisko4one5's Avatar frisko4one5 08:00 AM 07-12-2013
Question guys,

Do any of you notice a slight line on each sides of the tv by the bezel that are like maybe a centimeter wide where the picture doesn't completely meet the edge? Is that normal of the tv?
HGN2001's Avatar HGN2001 09:08 AM 07-12-2013
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Question guys,

Do any of you notice a slight line on each sides of the tv by the bezel that are like maybe a centimeter wide where the picture doesn't completely meet the edge? Is that normal of the tv?

It's not on mine...
Bama29's Avatar Bama29 09:11 AM 07-12-2013
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Question guys,

Do any of you notice a slight line on each sides of the tv by the bezel that are like maybe a centimeter wide where the picture doesn't completely meet the edge? Is that normal of the tv?

Not on mine. You might check the source. I have my set adjusted in the Display Area to show "Full Pixel" as well. (Full Pixel Displays pictures in their original size)
tgm1024's Avatar tgm1024 09:46 AM 07-12-2013
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Question guys,

Do any of you notice a slight line on each sides of the tv by the bezel that are like maybe a centimeter wide where the picture doesn't completely meet the edge? Is that normal of the tv?

Not on mine. You might check the source. I have my set adjusted in the Display Area to show "Full Pixel" as well. (Full Pixel Displays pictures in their original size)

 

Hmmm....  There is no aspect ratio conversion that would result in only a centimeter wide pillar boxing that I can think of (anyone else heard of that: a centimeter pillar box?).  Even an auto-corrected 4:3 showing a crocked 16:9 corrected back up to 16:9 by (say) FIOS trying to make everything HD before sent to the TV.

 

I agree: do check that your various devices aren't trying to pre-stretch anything in an odd way, but I suspect you might have an overly aggressive mask applied to the panel.  Frankly, I'm afraid to check mine, because when I checked my last set I discovered that along the bottom I had an ever so slight blowing upward from the bottom and after that it was all I could see.  Maybe they're trying to squash edge bleed effects.  But that was along the top and bottom.

 

Wish I could help more.


mp06011999's Avatar mp06011999 10:11 AM 07-12-2013
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Question guys,

Do any of you notice a slight line on each sides of the tv by the bezel that are like maybe a centimeter wide where the picture doesn't completely meet the edge? Is that normal of the tv?

Okay don't laugh but.... At first I thought I had that as well and then noticed that it was actually light from the window bouncing off the tiny inside edge of the frame.
letsgetitstarted's Avatar letsgetitstarted 10:24 AM 07-12-2013
any one have recommendations on additional 3d glasses?

also, who here is running direct tv genie with their tv? need help on the settings of the genie.

thanks
andy sullivan's Avatar andy sullivan 11:29 AM 07-12-2013
Does Cinemotion settings effect TV broadcasts as well as DVD's?
pjampala's Avatar pjampala 12:39 PM 07-12-2013
Did anyone had any lucking using Exfat formatter harddrive on r550's?
HGN2001's Avatar HGN2001 01:13 PM 07-12-2013
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Does Cinemotion settings effect TV broadcasts as well as DVD's?

Yes, if the material is film-based (or 24fps material). I tuned into a CBS showing of CRIMINAL MINDS the other night and was fooling around with the Cinemotion settings. When I set it to Auto1, the show looked like it was produced on videotape.

Cinemotion will not have as pronounced an effect on live TV such as reality shows or news broadcasts.

Harry
eddiegorniakjr's Avatar eddiegorniakjr 02:09 PM 07-12-2013
7-12-13 Sony on ebay has the 70" sony for $2124.99.
andy sullivan's Avatar andy sullivan 04:31 PM 07-12-2013
The owners manual recommends 2 so that's where I set it. I always do what I'm told. Right dear?
mp06011999's Avatar mp06011999 05:13 PM 07-12-2013
I added a switch to the mix so that I could run everything through the Darbee. That means that I am most definitely constantly tweaking the picture settings now that EVERYTHING is on one HMDI input. No more having each source having its own baseline.

There is no AVR in the mix - just some bedside wireless speakers (his & hers). Oh wait, I mean hers and hers. Sorry dear. lol
CLK AMG's Avatar CLK AMG 06:49 AM 07-13-2013
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