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I agree with the side angle viewing, i had 70xbr2 and 52xbr6 and you could almost sit behind the damn things and the picture was good.


They were probably Sony's S-PVA panels, and yes, I was so hoping that they could somehow keep that magic going, but when I found out they were likely to be actually buying LG panels (instead of just licensing the passive technology), my heart sank. Because the LG IPS "178° viewing angle" is nonsense.

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Samsung has a misfeature, that I've forgotten the name of, and I don't think that this is it. In Samsung's case it's an over-zealous approach to shutting down the lights (I mean, to zero) on near-dark scenes. It's distinct from their local dimming settings, and there is no way to disable it. I have a feeling it might be to disguise any lighting artifacts that might be otherwise noticeable if dimming were disabled (or on low) and the screen goes black in a black room.

Yes exactly. Clouding in every corner of a black screen plagues these first version leds. But, the screen noticably turning on and off, right in the middle of a dark scene is very distracting. I am hoping to avoid that with my next tv.
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Hi GGW2000,

To clarify, My Mits is a 2007 DLP. We do miss the extra 3" a little but I'd do it again tomorrow.

The Sony has a crisp detailed picture, off-axis viewability, blacker blacks, lack of color wheel, and the integrated features (internet, Netflix, etc..) made it a very easy decision.

When we bought, the plan was to buy the Sharp LC70LE847U, but this new Sony was there ($200 more) and we compared the two.

In our opinion, in the store, with as much processing turned off as we could figure out how, we liked the Sony better overall.

The Sharp has a better off-axis image, and looks better close up. But at viewing distance, the Sony looked better to us, and it had much better blacks. Both are 240hz TVs, but with all the processing off, and running passthrough on our TV and receiver (plus I have heard Sharp isn't in good financial position these days) we decided to go with the Sony. So far, very happy with the decision. The Dark Knight looks like a different movie going from the DLP to the Sony.

I do think the DirecTV client in the TV is a bit of a waste. After all, most people will have it co-located with the Genie DVR (we do). But if you've got multiple big-screen TVs it would be very handy, and save you $6 a month client rental.

I will certainly let you know how the bulb replacement works out. The plan is for our 18-year-old daughter to get the Mits so she will have a big TV. She's thrilled.

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Am I the only one who thinks that it is the chintziest (note: not ugliest---that's a completely different metric) stand they've ever seen in their life?

Looks like it's made out of a paperclip....
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Samsung has a misfeature, that I've forgotten the name of, and I don't think that this is it. In Samsung's case it's an over-zealous approach to shutting down the lights (I mean, to zero) on near-dark scenes. It's distinct from their local dimming settings, and there is no way to disable it. I have a feeling it might be to disguise any lighting artifacts that might be otherwise noticeable if dimming were disabled (or on low) and the screen goes black in a black room.

Yes exactly. Clouding in every corner of a black screen plagues these first version leds. But, the screen noticably turning on and off, right in the middle of a dark scene is very distracting. I am hoping to avoid that with my next tv.

I can't imagine Sony ever doing that. But then again, I wouldn't imagine Samsung ever doing that either. Nor would I imagine LG F-ing up their TV's so badly in 2012. (nor, nor, nor....)

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The stand is actually pretty solid just wish it was black


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That's much more reflective than I thought it might be.

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Im running everything through a denon 4308ci..... Directv receiver. Is this the reason its saying the tv is not 3d compatible???
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I hate to put it like this, but images of a white and black man are perfect ways of checking out a TV----note: There is a bright white uniform, and his skin and beard still have many levels of darkness to them. Good.

Similarly, the black hat and jacket aren't squashed to black, while at the same time everything isn't brightened to accomplish it, as evidenced by the black banner underneath the 20% transparent progress bar: it seems dead-black.

No, this sure is no Vizio.

By the way, if you decide to return this TV, buy a better camera with the money. smile.gif LOL........ J/K.....I'm very thankful for your pictures.
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What Stand are you using there. It was almost easier to pic out the TV than it has been to find the "right" stand.
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Its a salamander stand...just downloaded the denon firmware that is supposed to be 3d passive..crossing fingers
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Haha i dont even own a camera lol i just took them w iphone 5
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What Stand are you using there. It was almost easier to pic out the TV than it has been to find the "right" stand.


Yeah, that thing is really nice.

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Thanks its pricey but great quality! No 3d for me i dont like it enough to buy a new receiver...kinda makes me dizzzzzy anyway...as for the tv im trying so hard to find something wrong w it and i cant, the stand def should be black chrome like the newer car wheels but oh well...should be even better after a good ole settings tweaking!
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Isn't that stand a bit low to the ground?

Personally I need a stand that's at least 30'' high for any TV.

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Its low, my father has the two door one w the new xbr65 on it and its prop 30" high and it overwhelms his living room. I like looking directly forward not up unless i am in bed where youre kinda required to look up unless your bed is 7 feet high haha. The stand is def a lot better w the 70 though compared to the 60 i had on it.
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Hi GGW2000,

To clarify, My Mits is a 2007 DLP. We do miss the extra 3" a little but I'd do it again tomorrow.

The Sony has a crisp detailed picture, off-axis viewability, blacker blacks, lack of color wheel, and the integrated features (internet, Netflix, etc..) made it a very easy decision.

When we bought, the plan was to buy the Sharp LC70LE847U, but this new Sony was there ($200 more) and we compared the two.

In our opinion, in the store, with as much processing turned off as we could figure out how, we liked the Sony better overall.

The Sharp has a better off-axis image, and looks better close up. But at viewing distance, the Sony looked better to us, and it had much better blacks. Both are 240hz TVs, but with all the processing off, and running passthrough on our TV and receiver (plus I have heard Sharp isn't in good financial position these days) we decided to go with the Sony. So far, very happy with the decision. The Dark Knight looks like a different movie going from the DLP to the Sony.

I do think the DirecTV client in the TV is a bit of a waste. After all, most people will have it co-located with the Genie DVR (we do). But if you've got multiple big-screen TVs it would be very handy, and save you $6 a month client rental.

I will certainly let you know how the bulb replacement works out. The plan is for our 18-year-old daughter to get the Mits so she will have a big TV. She's thrilled.

All the best!

Bobster, thanks for the reply and your thoughts! I started out looking at the Vizio and Sharp then heard that Sony was coming out with a 70". I have completely discounted Vizio and now it would be between Sharp and Sony. I'm with you that the Directv thingy is a waste of money for alot of folks. If I can find somewhere local that gets a Sony in around the first part of May I will go up and look it over smile.gif. One question: does the Sony have the "amazon instant video app"? Currently use a Roku but it might be nice to have it onboard.. Again thanks for your thoughts, Gerry
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ggw2000,

It does have "Amazon Instant Video". It's on the "home" menu in the "internet contents" menu, along with "internet video", "video unlimited" "hulu plus", "netflix" and "blinkx". Lots o' stuff in there.

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Are you suppose to turn off Motionflow?
and Noise Reduction?
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The w802 and r550 panels is from lg I believe.

The 4k 55" and 65" is from Sony manufacturing.

Don't forget about the w900 it's the only 2013 1080p tv that has active 3d which is probably a display coming from Sony as it offers triluminous as well.

Lastly when it comes to panels lg can give their panels to Sony, lg and Samsung and obviously Vizio.

It's the same analogy as giving a piece of raw steak to Bobby Flay and a regular cook, bobby will def make that raw steak taste a whole lot better.

So Sony does have the opportunity of adding their x reality engine to lg's displays and it winds up looking better than lg displays on lg tvs. Time will tell when the reviews come in but I learned to not rely on reviews and actually look at the tvs myself in person that's what best buy is for smile.gif

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It's the same analogy as giving a piece of raw steak to Bobby Flay and a regular cook, bobby will def make that raw steak taste a whole lot better.


No, too simplistic, and an incorrect analogy----it assumes that the steaks are equal to start. We just don't have the information needed to be able to make a statement that firm.

Also, the panel itself devoid of interpolation algorithms *does* matter. Further, usually OEM'd panels will include the LED's and light-guides, so the blame for things like bleed and clouding belong with the panel maker. In another thread of mine Rogo pointed out that it's possible for a manufacturer to actually purchase something that amounts to a raw panel (devoid of lights), but there's no evidence of that happening here.

Do you know of any report indicating precisely what Sony is buying from LG? The word "panel" isn't enough.

Sony can add much technology to the panels, and they do have QA control but only from the point they receive it on. But there's nothing they can do to help with off-angle viewing if they end up buying panels that suffer from it.

BTW, there's still a biiiiig question as to whether or not Sony is now licensing the passive technology to eventually apply to non-IPS, non-LG originating panels.

Now a passive version of their S-PVA displays would really get my attention.

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I finally got annoyed with the viewing angle enough that I placed a call to Sony support. I mentioned the picture quality degrading a lot as I stepped left or right of the edge of the screen while standing about 10 feet away. So, I asked if anything could be done (knew the answer to that one) and at what value does the PQ start falling off. Surprisingly (?), he didn't know the answer to either and I found myself on hold for about 5 minutes. When he returned, he said that at about 10-12 feet away from the screen, I would see degrading at about 15 degrees offset from either the right or left of the screen and that the value would stay relatively consistent. So, if my h.s. trig doesn't fail me, tangent of 15 degrees is 0.267, so at 10 feet from the screen, it will start looking degraded starting at 2.67 feet from either right/left edge. At 15 feet, 4 feet, etc. No wonder, the wife is grumbling.
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I finally got annoyed with the viewing angle enough that I placed a call to Sony support. I mentioned the picture quality degrading a lot as I stepped left or right of the edge of the screen while standing about 10 feet away. So, I asked if anything could be done (knew the answer to that one) and at what value does the PQ start falling off. Surprisingly (?), he didn't know the answer to either and I found myself on hold for about 5 minutes. When he returned, he said that at about 10-12 feet away from the screen, I would see degrading at about 15 degrees offset from either the right or left of the screen and that the value would stay relatively consistent. So, if my h.s. trig doesn't fail me, tangent of 15 degrees is 0.267, so at 10 feet from the screen, it will start looking degraded starting at 2.67 feet from either right/left edge. At 15 feet, 4 feet, etc. No wonder, the wife is grumbling.


Does that jive with what you're seeing? What were you watching before?

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Saw this in Costco for under the advertised price I've seen on the internet. Was thinking of a 60-65" to upgrade from the 55" Bravia I have now. But for the price of this 70" I might just go down this road.

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Saw this in Costco for under the advertised price I've seen on the internet. Was thinking of a 60-65" to upgrade from the 55" Bravia I have now. But for the price of this 70" I might just go down this road.

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In the store, what was the price of the 60" and 70" ?

Costco.com never shows Sony TVs (that I can find).

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ggw2000,

It does have "Amazon Instant Video". It's on the "home" menu in the "internet contents" menu, along with "internet video", "video unlimited" "hulu plus", "netflix" and "blinkx". Lots o' stuff in there.

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Bob, sorry but another question. I have never had a "smart" tv with internet/streaming apps and was wondering- when you switch to something like netflix streaming is that considered another type input
that all your settings can be calibrated/adjusted on? Probably didn't explain it well frown.gif.
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