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post #181 of 1201 Old 04-27-2013, 10:28 AM
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In the UK it's called the KDL-46W905A... That's the top level tv then the next is the W805A

How do the black levels compare in the higher end model to say a Samsung or an XBR? I am in the US and wanting to get what is model W900A, replacing last years HX850.
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got my 55" 802 yesterday and so far i am impressed. accurate color detail and decent black levels. 3D is ok but it was not important to me anyway.

one question i do have for owners, is there any way to adjust the PICTURE while in the video apps (netflix, youtube, amazon)? i cannot click on option to get to that menu while in the other input modes while using the apps. this is VERY annoying because im stuck with the default pic setup while viewing. any input or questions let me know!

On last years models you had to view a YouTube video full screen and then you could press options and change settings.

This would also change all the app picture settings ie for netflix as well.

Not sure if it's the same this year.

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As this years models support for the first time mkv can one of the owners post which formats it can play?
(DTS, AC3, level 4.1, level 5.1, ...)

Anybody?
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Hi Guy`s ,

I don`t think most of you have been following the Samsung F8000 thread , thats fine.
Folks over there are having very real problems and issues , and I am one of many with such problems.

My question to you guy`s is simple :

Are there any issues with the LDL-47W802A where a device hooked up can not carry an HDMI - PCM audio signal to the tv ?

The F8000 , not will , I have a Mac Mini 4.1 ( 2010 ) and a Pioneer "Elite" DV-79AVi and I get no sound from either device.

Bought from Amazon , I have agreed to a replacement , although it is my option that the fault is a design flaw in either the audio board or possibly the main board it self.

My next tv that I would be looking to try ( should my replacement not work either ) would be the KDL-47W802A , so IF it comes to that , please post any and all thoughts about that tv , again , I thank you and again please post.

Thanks in advance smile.gif

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On last years models you had to view a YouTube video full screen and then you could press options and change settings.

This would also change all the app picture settings ie for netflix as well.

Not sure if it's the same this year.

Aaron

Thanks Aaron - this worked perfect!
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I saw the W802 at the Sony store in NY today. They were running Brave on Blu Ray and I was really
impressed with the PQ. Has anyone seen reviews for this yet?
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Thanks Aaron - this worked perfect!

No problem, glad it worked for you smile.gif
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Follow up comment on the black levels after a few more days of use -

@vincevega44 - i think there is a noticeable difference, the colors may even be a bit more realistic than w/ the 729. Golf channel, crime dramas, news, etc. all appear more crisp, and watching Inception in Bluray on PS3 was quite an experience.

There may be some less deep blacks at the side edges of the screen. (Albeit in bad lighting).... but in a movie theater lighting setting the 802a has very little problem with detail in dark scenes. If you are a connoisseur of the finest quality I expect you will wait for the 900, but this is solid all around.

Compared to the HX729 (viewed over the weekend again) there is little difference, each set has its moments where there are slightly harder to see dark parts of the screen. There is a marked difference in the visual wow factor from the 802a.

Haven't had a chance to game yet - but the video rendering has shown zero lag so far.

Some of the apps are a bit clunky in their design but that is mainly aesthetics.
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Is there any word that SONY may do like last year and have a late release for a 65" version of the W900A that is coming? (HX850 replacement)
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The colors on this TV are awesome.
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The W802 is for sure using lg's ips panel (just googled it).

I couldn't find any panel info for the R550 though.

IPS will have worse black levels than VA.

If the R550 is VA then it might just be a better choice than the W802.

Side note.........In the UK sony is offering a 40'' and 46'' version of the W900. eek.gifmad.gif

People in US get stuck with crappy frame dimming for a 46'' set.

While people in the UK get nice local dimming for a 46'' set.

The R550 atleast the 40" version uses VA panel.If any Sony lcd is of the size 40" or 46" they are for sure using a VA panel.The 50" R550 may use a AMVA panel.

The W802 all uses IPS panel panels and any Sony lcd of the size 47" uses a LG IPS panel.
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Are IPS panels okay for gaming? I want this TV but gaming is a big factor in my TV purchase.
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Are IPS panels okay for gaming? I want this TV but gaming is a big factor in my TV purchase.

Go to displaylag.com

And look up any of the 2012 Panasonic & LG mid to upper tier LCD's.

Keep in mind though that despite what you might read here and there in gaming forums, lag is *NOT* primarily driven by response time unless the response time is unbearably slow, which would keep it from being used as a TV in the first place.

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Cool site. I wonder when this TV will show up in there.
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So what panel would the 55 inch W900a use? Its a triluminos display (extra wide color gamut) so would that be an IPS as well?
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So what panel would the 55 inch W900a use? Its a triluminos display (extra wide color gamut) so would that be an IPS as well?


Curious: Why did the first part conclude the last part?

In any case, the W900A is a confusing beast. In case you need to do research in the future, here's a link to all the 2013 Sony TV's currently being sold.


The reason I find it confusing is because in one place they refer to Active 3D (which makes sense, because LG doesn't make "triluminous" displays). But then they quickly speak out of the side of their mouth and claim that they can do "Simulview" with glasses that don't need batteries. That makes no sense in an active display. I have a feeling they cutNpasted themselves to death on this one.

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In any case, the W900A is a confusing beast. In case you need to do research in the future, here's a link to all the 2013 Sony TV's currently being sold.


The reason I find it confusing is because in one place they refer to Active 3D (which makes sense, because LG doesn't make "triluminous" displays). But then they quickly speak out of the side of their mouth and claim that they can do "Simulview" with glasses that don't need batteries. That makes no sense in an active display. I have a feeling they cutNpasted themselves to death on this one.

I was wondering the same. It almost seems they are using last years HX850 components to a large degree.

Do you think Sony will surprise us with any other size W900A's, mid-year? I think 55" is too short for my 14 feet of distance, and whatever I purchase is going to be what I'm stuck with for about 7 years. So, I'm hoping they make a 65", since the extra 10" gives 43% more viewing area.
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In any case, the W900A is a confusing beast. In case you need to do research in the future, here's a link to all the 2013 Sony TV's currently being sold.


The reason I find it confusing is because in one place they refer to Active 3D (which makes sense, because LG doesn't make "triluminous" displays). But then they quickly speak out of the side of their mouth and claim that they can do "Simulview" with glasses that don't need batteries. That makes no sense in an active display. I have a feeling they cutNpasted themselves to death on this one.

I was wondering the same. It almost seems they are using last years HX850 components to a large degree.

Even that doesn't get them magical powers. You cannot have a shuttering TV work with non-shuttering glasses, simulview or not. Diving into absurdity for a moment, this is unless you're that peculiar Samsung R&D Demo from years ago that must've had two sets of the light sources each with their own polarization. But that was a big-time oddity, and no way is that going on here....I just mention it for yucks.

AFAICT propaganda sheets (read "brochures" smile.gif) have been F-ing up from time to time for a long time. I can only guess it's a different set of folks writing this stuff than the engineering team---which seems axiomatic.

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The W900 will all have a AMVA panel so it will have much better blacks compared to the W802 . The Tri-luminous quantum dot tech is from QD vision and is being manufactured using AU optronics AMVA tech.
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The W900 will all have a AMVA panel so it will have much better blacks compared to the W802 . The Tri-luminous quantum dot tech is from QD vision and is being manufactured using AU optronics AMVA tech.

Historically I've always been amazed at how far Sony has been able to come with their TV's VA (S-PVA, etc.) panels. Regardless of who makes them.

For VA technology, which was supposed to be thumped hard when IPS showed up, it always seemed to be the other way around for them.

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I am debating between buying HX750 and w802a. Looks like HX750 is 240Hz whereas w802a is 120Hz. Any advice/input is appreciated.
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I am debating between buying HX750 and w802a. Looks like HX750 is 240Hz whereas w802a is 120Hz. Any advice/input is appreciated.

Random thoughts:

802 is a wild card for all the reasons listed here and in the 550 thread.
750 has been considered a solid performer by most everyone I've asked about it.

802 is using an LG IPS panel, and has passive 3D
750 has active 3D

If you sort by "newest" (as you always should), the Amazon reviews for the 750 are really positive.

802 has that weird blue hue to the bezel. Haven't seen it in person, only pictures, and I'm not wowed by the idea.

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I am debating between buying HX750 and w802a. Looks like HX750 is 240Hz whereas w802a is 120Hz. Any advice/input is appreciated.


As tgm1024 said the HX750 is an all around solid performer and the reviews on Amazon are very positive. I can say from experience the I wouldnt replace my HX750 for anything until maybe OLED arrives. The HX750 uses Active for 3D where as the 802 uses Passive for 3D which I dont care for. You may or may not care for 3D so thats up to you. Also, and this may not be a big deal but the 750 is 240hz and the 802 is 120hz. Lastly I dont care for the design of the W802 but thats just me. If it were my choice I would go with the HX750 but its your money.
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I am debating between buying HX750 and w802a. Looks like HX750 is 240Hz whereas w802a is 120Hz. Any advice/input is appreciated.


As tgm1024 said the HX750 is an all around solid performer and the reviews on Amazon are very positive. I can say from experience the I wouldnt replace my HX750 for anything until maybe OLED arrives.

Even then, wait until your 750 completely croaks. From the research done in the OLED thread, OLED has a few enormous nuts to crack, and some horrible stuff might not show up until after you've owned it for a few years: (read this as "blue fading away"). And folks aren't 100% sure it's bright enough to pulse away the sample-and-hold problem. Aye yi yi.

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Thanks for your input guys! I am heavily leaning towards HX750 now.
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OK -- So are the "Blacks" good or bad on the 47W802A ? , Please help , thanks in advance.

I have the Samsung 46" F8000 , bad tv , but great blacks.

My dvd player ( DV79AVi ) will let me choose to levels 0 IRE or 7.5 IRE , I have it set to 0.

Great blacks , can watch dvd`s with real black bars at the bottom , not grey.

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PS:

47" is my limit as far as size , if not I would buy the XBR.
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I've been waiting for more reviews of the W802A... and to see one at a store like Best Buy. Sony has been selling the 55" in their online store for a few weeks but this model is not yet available from Best Buy. If I purchase from Best Buy I will have a better choice of TVs if I decide to return the Sony.

I have a couple of questions.

(1) Does anyone have decent information about when this TV will be available at Best Buy? No one at Best Buy has been able to tell me yet...

(2) Has anyone dealt with returns when purchasing directly from Sony?

Thanks,
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The 2011 Sony NX720 (pictured below) is much thinner and better looking than the W802 and R550 put together.

And it even featured awesome edge lit local dimming compared to the crappy edge frame dimming on the W802.

The gorilla glass NX720, HX820 and HX929 were epic TV's and they all even came in a 46'' size.

What a major step backwards.frown.gif




Caleb, the longer I look at these things, the more I agree. Absolutely every TV should look like this. Change the innards, but don't @#$% with the perfect exterior.

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Caleb, the longer I look at these things, the more I agree. Absolutely every TV should look like this. Change the innards, but don't @#$% with the perfect exterior.

I agree as well. When it comes to minimalist or industrial design, if you nail it, it becomes that much harder to improve. And... I'd say they nailed it with the higher end 2011 models. Design wise, how do you improve upon something that looks like a black sheet of glass?
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So what panel would the 55 inch W900a use? Its a triluminos display (extra wide color gamut) so would that be an IPS as well?

read this http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57569549-221/what-are-quantum-dots-and-how-could-they-help-your-next-tv/
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