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Watch is the source there, what are those white lines across ?

That's just the lines from the DirecTV guide.
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I see it but not sure if it is a directv issue or a tv issue..

If you are worried and will not be able to get sleep, then return it. Better to have peace of mind.

But, keep note, the next one may be better or worse. It is a lottery, what you get in terms of picture quality,

I.tried Netflix and same results. Not sure what I will do. No deal pixels. Very very little banding. Overall really happy.
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That's just the lines from the DirecTV guide.

I would say watch a movie, better one you know well, see how it looks to you.  But I am thinking your panel is fine.

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I.tried Netflix and same results. Not sure what I will do. No deal pixels. Very very little banding. Overall really happy.

Netflix, are you hard wired or wifi.  If wifi then that good lead to poor PQ.  Pop in a blu ray, check it out that way.  The PQ is only as good as the source, as HPQ said earlier.

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Netflix, are you hard wired or wifi.  If wifi then that good lead to poor PQ.  Pop in a blu ray, check it out that way.  The PQ is only as good as the source, as HPQ said earlier.

PQ is not the issue. The picture looks fantastic. Just the slight white line. Seems to be on all sources. Again, I'm not making a big deal about it. I just wanted to know if other people had it. If not, I will continue to watch and decide if I want to exchange. Just didn't want to exchange if it was a normal issue that's all
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PQ is not the issue. The picture looks fantastic. Just the slight white line. Seems to be on all sources. Again, I'm not making a big deal about it. I just wanted to know if other people had it. If not, I will continue to watch and decide if I want to exchange. Just didn't want to exchange if it was a normal issue that's all

No prob, no big deal.  But I don't have a "slight white line"

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No prob, no big deal.  But I don't have a "slight white line"

Thanks. That seems to be the concensous. Overall though, this really is a great TV. Love the picture. Crystal clear. Thanks to everyone for their help!
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Thanks. That seems to be the concensous. Overall though, this really is a great TV. Love the picture. Crystal clear. Thanks to everyone for their help!

Here's a pic of my TV, Tried to get a good pic tonight watching "The Italian Job" on Netflix.  Can't get a good pic.

Here is one from before from super bowl, no white lines

 

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Thank you all for helping a noob. Alescla now. Thank you so much!

Now, off to audio thread :-D

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I had an issue with my 1st 65f8000, had a bright spot about 2-3 inches long on the right side about middle of the screen.

Tried loosening screws, rubbing etc.., couldn't get it to change.

Only showed up on light solid colors, like the screen mirroring page, for example.

I think it had something to do with the led maybe being out of position or just being brighter?

Called Amazon, they suggested replacing, was worried the next tv would be worse, got lucky and received an excellent replacement.

 

Have really been enjoying this set, puts a smile on my face and sometimes just wow, like after watching Pacific Rim 3D!

If it was me, and it was that noticeable, I would replace, I found myself always looking for the bright spot instead of enjoying the movie.

BTW, both panels were US02's.

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Thanks. That seems to be the concensous. Overall though, this really is a great TV. Love the picture. Crystal clear. Thanks to everyone for their help!

I think you should replace it. If you are getting the line on all sources - blu ray movie, smart apps, tv channels, etc.

Here is a pic of a closeup on a commercial on TV. Picture isn't great since commercial is moving but you can see no lines on my TV.



For another test, check a regular TV show from netflix or amazon prime or some other app and look for one with the black bars on the right and left side. See if it is all black. It should be all black. If you see those faint lines even there, then I suspect it is the tv.

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Here is another pic that shows it. Think I will call BB and try to get a replacement out here.

Again, all sources.
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Here is another pic that shows it. Think I will call BB and try to get a replacement out here.
Again, all sources.

The edges of edge lit TV's are weird. The Sony W900A has horizontal "fingers" leaking in, and from my experience the F8000 has faintly darker left and right edges and some oddities like bleeding. These are only obvious when looking at the TV from an absurd, unwatchable viewing angle. But from normal viewing and even decently off axis viewing the oddities around the left and right edges aren't noticeable even if you look for it. So if in normal viewing circumstances you can still notice those lines on the sides, then replace it. You're better off getting a set that doesn't have a distracting flaw. Me personally, I'm not seeing the white lines you speak of in the pictures of your set you've posted. And I'm sure you'll never be sitting that close and focusing on the edges of the screen for it to be a deal breaking problem when watching TV.

Just don't obsess over it. My 55" has an ever so slight flashlight in the bottom left corner. And it's smaller than any flashlighting or clouding I've seen on other F8000s. But since all my high quality material is widescreen with black bars on the top and bottom, it doesn't matter at all thanks to the cinema LED dimming. My full screen cable box content can sometimes make it visible when watching at night but that's only because my eyes are constantly looking at the black depth. The more you just pay attention to the actual program you're watching rather than the TV, the more happy you'll be. This goes for all TV's, not just the F8000. Not to say you shouldn't immerse yourself in the picture, just pay attention to the show or movie and you'll get over any tiny fault that's not worth replacing the whole set over.

I've had my F8000 for almost 7 months and I still get chills when I see the picture quality on it. Just enjoy the visual experience! The F8000 was CNET's favorite LED of 2013 for many good reasons!
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If they can replace it, see what happens. Best of luck! smile.gif

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Hey guys. Just wanna quickly reiterate how much I love following this thread and reading your posts. Great stuff.

Quick question, and I know it's been discussed a bit, what's a quick and non-expert friendly way to adjust the white balance (not 10 point)? I have the WOW disc, but didn't know of you guys had better success with something else. Let me know, thanks.

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If they can replace it, see what happens. Best of luck! smile.gif

Well I'm sure they would. Plus i have geek squad. *sigh* I dunno we'll see.
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Hey guys. Just wanna quickly reiterate how much I love following this thread and reading your posts. Great stuff.

Quick question, and I know it's been discussed a bit, what's a quick and non-expert friendly way to adjust the white balance (not 10 point)? I have the WOW disc, but didn't know of you guys had better success with something else. Let me know, thanks.

Experiment is the best way. Use Expert Pattern 1, just below the white balance and gamma settings. The idea is to get a warm white (slightly red/yellow white which is supposed to be the same color temperature of the sun during mid day) and to make sure the grey scale from black to white is neutral and stays the same hue as the peak white. Movie Mode is very warm with Warm2 and Standard Mode is naturally cooler even with Warm2. My grey scale on both my Standard and Movie mode are very linear, which means there are no obvious discoloration or odd hues in the greyscale. The only difference between them is that Movie is much warmer than Standard. Standard had odd red hues on the higher end of the greyscale despite the peak white being cooler which makes the picture look very unrealistic.

I would say try this in standard mode, write down your current settings first so you can revert easily. I'm curious if this looks right on other F8000s. Standard Mode, R-Offset: 24 G-Offset: 24 B-Offset: 24, R-Gain: 0, G-Gain: 15, B-Gain: 50, Warm2, and then look at the Expert Pattern 1. Does the grey from black all the way to white look impeccably grey and neutral? Or does it look discolored in areas towards red, green, or blue? The peak white should be a vibrant snow white and the grey in between should look very linear. It does for me, but I've never seen such absurd white balance settings but they are the only combination I found to defeat the red bias on the high end of the greyscale in standard mode. Curious to see if this looks good on other F8000s.
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Just to be clear, the white balance settings in my previous post is only meant for Standard Mode, Contrast at 100, Color Space Native and Color Tone Warm2. I don't believe this pertains to contrast lower than 100 or the other picture modes, only Standard.
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Awesome, very helpful. Thanks!

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Have any of you experienced dropped frames or judder? My 65F800 seems to be dropping frames all of a sudden, either from DirecTV or from Apple TV via my Denon 1913.

I have messed around with the dynamic contrast, and the motion plus. Turning that off seems to fix it, but then sports is more pixelated.

Could it be my HDMI cable affecting this, or a setting on the DVR? I have ordered new "high speed" HDMI+Ethernet from Monoprice mainly because I need a run longer than 6' from the 1913 to the TV. So I ordered 10' and 15'.

The frame stutter will even be in scenes like someone turning their head, it'll seem like some frames were dropped.
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Have any of you experienced dropped frames or judder? My 65F800 seems to be dropping frames all of a sudden, either from DirecTV or from Apple TV via my Denon 1913.

I have messed around with the dynamic contrast, and the motion plus. Turning that off seems to fix it, but then sports is more pixelated.

Could it be my HDMI cable affecting this, or a setting on the DVR? I have ordered new "high speed" HDMI+Ethernet from Monoprice mainly because I need a run longer than 6' from the 1913 to the TV. So I ordered 10' and 1

The frame stutter will even be in scenes like someone turning their head, it'll seem like some frames were dropped.

always make sure "judder" is set to at least 5. anything less will make the screen shake. if thats not your problem, i wont be able to help but hopefully someone else can.

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always make sure "judder" is set to at least 5. anything less will make the screen shake. if thats not your problem, i wont be able to help but hopefully someone else can.

I have AMP set to Clear and experience no judder, shaking or the other things sriggins describes.  Not sure what Clear sets judder to, compared to Custom where you can set the values manually.

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Have any of you experienced dropped frames or judder? My 65F800 seems to be dropping frames all of a sudden, either from DirecTV or from Apple TV via my Denon 1913.

I have messed around with the dynamic contrast, and the motion plus. Turning that off seems to fix it, but then sports is more pixelated.

Could it be my HDMI cable affecting this, or a setting on the DVR? I have ordered new "high speed" HDMI+Ethernet from Monoprice mainly because I need a run longer than 6' from the 1913 to the TV. So I ordered 10' and 15'.

The frame stutter will even be in scenes like someone turning their head, it'll seem like some frames were dropped.

I might suspect the HDMI cable.

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Have owned the 60" F8000 set for a couple of weeks now.

 

Just about every day, for a split second, the screen goes black.  The screen then comes back and there is a band at the top of the screen that displays the resolution.

 

This may have been discussed previously in this thread, but I could not find anyone talking about it.  I have searched other internet sites and this seems to have been an issue with Samsung sets for a while, and not just with this model.

 

I emailed Samsung support and, of course, they said that they have no record of owners bringing up this issue.

 

Anyone have any thoughts as to the cause and what the fix would be?

 

Thank you.

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Does anyone know good settings to use? I tried cnet ones, which are OK but I'm looking for something like Nitra's settings (from ES8000 thread).

I think F8000 is better than ES8000 out of the box, but Nitra's settings on ES8000 make picture so real, it's like looking at a (very clean) window smile.gif, the best Samsung picture I've ever seen (I've had A, B, C, ES and now F, all 7-8 series). I tried Nitra's ES8000 setting on F standard mode, they are good, very similar to CNET ones, but not the same as on ES8000

I'm not into Service Menu, unless tweaks there guarantee better results.

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it has happened to my 60f8000 too.but since I updated to firmeware118 it has not happened,So far,
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always make sure "judder" is set to at least 5. anything less will make the screen shake. if thats not your problem, i wont be able to help but hopefully someone else can.

It was 5, I set it to 0 and the issue seems to have gone away!
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I might suspect the HDMI cable.

Me too. I have some of these more generic cables I got with other stuff, so I am replacing them all with mono price
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Does anyone know good settings to use? I tried cnet ones, which are OK but I'm looking for something like Nitra's settings (from ES8000 thread).

I think F8000 is better than ES8000 out of the box, but Nitra's settings on ES8000 make picture so real, it's like looking at a (very clean) window smile.gif, the best Samsung picture I've ever seen (I've had A, B, C, ES and now F, all 7-8 series). I tried Nitra's ES8000 setting on F standard mode, they are good, very similar to CNET ones, but not the same as on ES8000

I'm not into Service Menu, unless tweaks there guarantee better results.

Thanks.

You're better off calibrating it yourself using Expert Pattern 1 in the Advanced Picture options. You can see whether or not your greyscale is linear or not. You want all shades of grey to have the same slightly warm hue, if you see any red/green/blue discoloration, then you need to adjust your white balance accordingly to neutralize the grey across all shades.

Once you get the greyscale very linear then it'll give you the "looking through a clean window" effect. The correct white balance settings are specific to YOUR F8000 meaning no one else settings, even professional reviewers' settings you see online, will not be the correct settings for you specific F8000. Either try to get the grey scale linear by eye (in my case worked extremely well using Expert Pattern 1) or get the set professionally calibrated using a proper meter and software.
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Me too. I have some of these more generic cables I got with other stuff, so I am replacing them all with mono price

I buy most my cables, and some other things from monoprice.  Pretty good quality and cheap.  I use there redmere HDMI cables.  One thing I love about them is there thinness.  Doesn't put stress on the hdmi port as thick ones can.  The redmere are about as thick as a USB cable.  They are also one directional.  The end that goes to the TV has a chip in it.  Though off the top of my head I could not tell you what that chip does.  May be my imagination but the redmere seem to provide a better image.

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