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post #2881 of 7612 Old 09-10-2013, 08:24 PM
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If you were talking to me, during the day I have a picture window that the TV would face. And night there's a lamp for the livingroom in the same area.
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It's a hard choice....what type of lighting does your room have? Plasma a are great but a little dimmer and will always be. LCD is great but you do get some issues with the tech. (Flashlight, bleeding, ghosting). Although the f8000 does a great job at those things.
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Since Merkey doesn't seem to want to answer me, can someone with the 75" F8000 please tell me the dimensions od the base from front to back? I have a set coming very soon and need to build a new shelf for it. I'd like to have the shelf built before it arrives.

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(There are two different specs I've seen. One is 13 inches or so the other is 16. Can anyone help?)

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Make sure you have cinema black on. It is a must for this set. It will eliminate the flashlighting for most content. I would also recommend smart led on low or standard. That in combination with your low backlight of 6 should look pretty good. You may even be able to turn the backlight up a little more than that. I have those settings (smart led standard) in movie mode with a backlight of 16 and experience no flash-lighting in a completely dark room.

If you use Cinema Black, it will dim picture content directly below/above the bars. It is very obvious on well-lit scenes, or the intro of movies, i.e. the Pixar bouncing lamp clip.
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I've been in the market for a new TV and decided to go for the UN60F8000. I picked it up on Saturday (right before prices increased) and was amazed by the quality of all the football on Sunday. I watched a lot of 2D content and it was a great picture. The only issue I had noticed was the bottom border was a little brighter, but you could only see it on certain colors. This wasn't that big of a deal to me, but it appears to be part of a bigger problem.

My wife and I started exploring some 3D content tonight, and we're seeing some banding type lines starting from the bottom going up. These only seem to happen in 3D mode. I turned the 3D off, turned the backlight up to 20 and didn't see them. It looks like I'll be exchanging this set because of it. Anyone else ever seen this before?


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Hey all,

Well, got my 46f8000! Inspired by the buzzard settings i made my configuration and it looks awesome!

There are two things i really hope you people can help me out with:

1. Is there a way to turn on the 'smart led' function for the micro dimming? So leds get dimmed in 'black' areas to prevent any clouding and other uniformity. I can't find the function, do i have to actvate it somehow?

2. Referring to my earlier post. I hooked up the TV to my Marantz SR5005 with hdmi, ARC. I did switch off power control on my receiver and guess what, it worked flawlessly yesterday. This morning i woke up and switched on the TV, no audio....grrr! Anyone has a tip for me, what to try? Or shall i make an optical connection for audio (tv -> receiver).

Really hope anyone can help, Thnx!

gr, Mark
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Tell me it's not that washed out. Looks like my 7 year old Sony that I'm trying to get ride of.
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i'm afraid i have to agree on starstreak. It does look pretty bad... the answer from question 2 from my post is pretty interesting for you too i guess...
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This video was posted in the w900a thread, but figured it should also be posted here.
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If you use Cinema Black, it will dim picture content directly below/above the bars. It is very obvious on well-lit scenes, or the intro of movies, i.e. the Pixar bouncing lamp clip.

Still better than flash-lighting. .
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That YouTube video you posted is really annoying because they're way off angle for the F8000 but on angle for the W900A. And it appears they don't have the F8000 calibrated to the same degree as the W900A was and aren't utilizing cinema black on the F8000. Very dishonest portrayal of the F8000.
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Make sure you have cinema black on. It is a must for this set. It will eliminate the flashlighting for most content. I would also recommend smart led on low or standard. That in combination with your low backlight of 6 should look pretty good. You may even be able to turn the backlight up a little more than that. I have those settings (smart led standard) in movie mode with a backlight of 16 and experience no flash-lighting in a completely dark room.

Yeah, I always had Cinema Black turned on. It's my understanding, however, it only effects the "letterbox" areas above and below the picture. Regardless, it didn't help.

All you happy folks can't be wrong, so I figure I got a defective set. I didn't want to take the risk of trying another F8000, so I returned it last night. frown.gif

Thanks for all the help!
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That YouTube video you posted is really annoying because they're way off angle for the F8000 but on angle for the W900A. And it appears they don't have the F8000 calibrated to the same degree as the W900A was and aren't utilizing cinema black on the F8000. Very dishonest portrayal of the F8000.

You are right about the calibration as well as the angle. It looks like they left it in dynamic. The color temp was way too cool. The other thing is that smart led and cinema black were both off because that tv doesn't have those features. They only sell the UEXXF8090 at that store. It's not the same tv as in the states. My set would look that bad too if it wasn't calibrated and had smart led and cinema black off. One thing I did notice was that the input lag was significantly better on the Samsung over the Sony. Scene changes happened a good half second before the Sony did. smile.gif
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Since Merkey doesn't seem to want to answer me, can someone with the 75" F8000 please tell me the dimensions od the base from front to back? I have a set coming very soon and need to build a new shelf for it. I'd like to have the shelf built before it arrives.

Thanks! smile.gif

(There are two different specs I've seen. One is 13 inches or so the other is 16. Can anyone help?)

Answered in other f8000 thread. Sorry I missed your original question I was not intentionally ignoring you smile.gif
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UN60F8000 just arrived. Two quick questions:
1) Which post has a credible full settings to start with, and
2) Should I upgrade the firmware (1103 now) or should I wait. I do NOT game on this, and I read a couple of posts suggesting PQ was adversely affected for non-gaming by the update. Thanks, and I'll try to contribute positively going forward.

FYI I bought this at a great price from a discounter whose delivery guy gave me free white glove service (I tipped him, of course). Very positive experience if anyone wants to PM me.
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UN60F8000 just arrived. Two quick questions:
1) Which post has a credible full settings to start with, and
2) Should I upgrade the firmware (1103 now) or should I wait. I do NOT game on this, and I read a couple of posts suggesting PQ was adversely affected for non-gaming by the update. Thanks, and I'll try to contribute positively going forward.

FYI I bought this at a great price from a discounter whose delivery guy gave me free white glove service (I tipped him, of course). Very positive experience if anyone wants to PM me.

I would update the firmware. Keep in mind that half of the people on AVS are crazy. The PQ has certainly not gotten any worse with the various firmware updates.
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You are right about the calibration as well as the angle. It looks like they left it in dynamic. The color temp was way too cool. The other thing is that smart led and cinema black were both off because that tv doesn't have those features. They only sell the UEXXF8090 at that store. It's not the same tv as in the states. My set would look that bad too if it wasn't calibrated and had smart led and cinema black off. One thing I did notice was that the input lag was significantly better on the Samsung over the Sony. Scene changes happened a good half second before the Sony did. smile.gif

The input lag difference you see is most likely due to the splitter they are using, even though in non-game mode, the samsung is about 20ms faster. Switch to game mode and the samsung will be left in the dust.
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That's Okay Merkey--and thank you.

I was getting a little crazy because the delivery guys are supposed to set it up and they can't do that if I have nowhere to put it...

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I would update the firmware. Keep in mind that half of the people on AVS are crazy. The PQ has certainly not gotten any worse with the various firmware updates.

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The input lag difference you see is most likely due to the splitter they are using, even though in non-game mode, the samsung is about 20ms faster. Switch to game mode and the samsung will be left in the dust.

If the samsung is 20 ms faster in non game mode (presumably the mode you would demo both tvs for an online video PQ test) then the lag difference must be due to the tv not the splitter smile.gif not to mention that hi end audio video store must be using a cheap monoprice splitter to introduce such a visible amount of lag to one output and not the other smile.gif. Just let the samsung be faster in this video, don't blame a splitter you know nothing about. Sure the AMERICAN version of the sony measures at 19.7 ms in GAMEMODE but it is neither in gamemode or the American version. With the update the samsung "feels" in the mid 30s. I have no way to verify this and wish someone would test this bad boy after the update. I cannot personally feel the difference between gaming on a CRT (theoretically 0ms) and this tv in gamemode playing black ops 2 online.
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Yeah, I've been playing in Game Mode and it's virtually as responsive as my main PC monitor. The F8000's input lag is extremely low now. I'd say below 30ms be a fair margin. My estimate is 20ms to 25ms, if not lower than that. I wish someone with the proper equipment could do a test. I honestly don't care about the actual number, all I care about is that the F8000 is extremely responsive for gaming and thanks to updates from Samsung, it is!
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PQ is kind of crapy in game mode, anyone have good settings i could try out?
DRN94 i tried yours , but seem a bit too bright for me .. thanks
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You can always lower the backlight down from 20. My house has lots of light during the day so backlight at 20 is best for me, I did say lower it at night but I also implied lowering it to your liking.
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If the samsung is 20 ms faster in non game mode (presumably the mode you would demo both tvs for an online video PQ test) then the lag difference must be due to the tv not the splitter smile.gif not to mention that hi end audio video store must be using a cheap monoprice splitter to introduce such a visible amount of lag to one output and not the other smile.gif. Just let the samsung be faster in this video, don't blame a splitter you know nothing about. Sure the AMERICAN version of the sony measures at 19.7 ms in GAMEMODE but it is neither in gamemode or the American version. With the update the samsung "feels" in the mid 30s. I have no way to verify this and wish someone would test this bad boy after the update. I cannot personally feel the difference between gaming on a CRT (theoretically 0ms) and this tv in gamemode playing black ops 2 online.

Sorry I forgot how brain washed samsung fanboys are tongue.gif As long as your are happy though. Thats all that matters smile.gif
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Sorry I forgot how brain washed samsung fanboys are tongue.gif As long as your are happy though. Thats all that matters smile.gif

Every tv I've owned has been Sony until now. If I'm a fanboy because I am a fan of this tv then so be it. I've also sold tvs for 7 years, and swore I'd never buy anything but Sony, but this tv rocks. smile.gif for me the extra 5 inches over the 55 900a is worth any flaws this tv has.
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UN60F8000 just arrived. Two quick questions:
1) Which post has a credible full settings to start with, and
Didn't see anyone answer this you can try starting with this:

Movie

Backlight: 12

Contrast: 90

Brightness: 45 (I've turned this down slight as low as 40 before)

Sharpness: 0 (try up to 10 if you like on non bluray sources)

Color: 48

Tint: (G49/R51)

Advanced Settings

Dynamic Contrast: off

Black Tone: Off

Color Space

Red 44, 0, 4

Green 15, 52, 0

Blue 0, 8, 45

Yellow 54, 53, 0

Cyan 10, 50, 51

Magenta 43, 7, 43

White Balance

R-offset 25

G-offset 26

B-Offset 26

R-gain 16

G-gain 25

B-Gain 25

10P White Balance On

Interval

1- 0, -1, -3

2- 1, 0, -1

3- 2, 2, 0

4- 1, 2, 1

5- 2, 2, 0

6- 0, 0, 0

7- 0, 0, 0

8- -2, -2, -2

9- 0, 0, 0

10- 0, 0, 0

Gama 0 (I'm now at -1..so tinker it to figure out what you prefer)
Picture Options

Color Tone: Warm2

Digital Clean View: Off

MPEG Noise Filter: Off

HDMI Black Level: Normal

Film Mode: Auto2 (only available when receiving interlaced signal)

Auto Motion Plus: Custom, Blur Reduction 10, 0, LED Clear Motion Off (I've actually turned LED Clear motion "on" now)

Smart LED: Low (I've moved this to standard)

Cinema Black: On
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I cant find this smart led feature anywhere on my set. Any help would be great.
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I cant find this smart led feature anywhere on my set. Any help would be great.
Its near the bottom of picture options. What country are you located in? Which specific model did you purchase? UN vs UE..etc
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Its the UE46F8000
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Its the UE46F8000
Thats a european model, those and canadian models do NOT have control over Smart LED. I'm not sure why but I always assumed there is different hardware and licensing different countries....but somebody on here told me the hardware is the same(pretty sure even TV tuner would be different). I could be wrong though.
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Finally had time to unpack and set up the larger panel today



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