Ofiicial Sony XBR-55X900A / XBR-65X900A Anticipation Thread ( Local Dimming and 4K Technoligy !! ) - Page 4 - AVS Forum
Forum Jump: 
Reply
 
Thread Tools
post #91 of 303 Old 04-29-2013, 03:59 PM
Member
 
IronManFan's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 22
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Liked: 14
Quote:
Originally Posted by frostylou View Post

Hey Ironman,
Thx for the report.
Quick question. What size is your vt50 and which size 4k TV were you watching the blurays?
I have a 65" VT50, and I was watching the 65" XBR, in order to try to get the most comparable viewing experience -- so I can't speak to the 84". With the 4K sports on a 65", it felt like I was watching a new type of tech, but with the upscaled Blu-Rays, it just looked like another HDTV.
IronManFan is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #92 of 303 Old 04-29-2013, 05:20 PM
Advanced Member
 
frostylou's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 707
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Liked: 14
Thanks. Good to know
frostylou is offline  
post #93 of 303 Old 04-29-2013, 09:46 PM
Member
 
@TOMMY@'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 41
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Just saw both the 55" and 65" today. These are the best looking LED/LCDs I've seen by quite a big margin (I'm seen both the Sony 950 and Sharp Elite). I'm not a fan of LED/LCDs, but these are incredible, very plasma like.
@TOMMY@ is offline  
post #94 of 303 Old 04-30-2013, 06:06 AM - Thread Starter
AVS Addicted Member
 
Cleveland Plasma's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
Posts: 11,794
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 166 Post(s)
Liked: 431
Cleveland Plasma is online now  
post #95 of 303 Old 04-30-2013, 04:15 PM
AVS Special Member
 
airgas1998's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: 42degsN 92degsW
Posts: 2,159
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Liked: 95
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

Now that is great news.....
yeah...that's very interesting.

Habit Forming....Wallet Burning Hobby....

64" Samsung F8500 Plasma
55" Samsung B8500 Full Array Lcd
Channel Master Dvr
Onkyo 818
Crown xls-2000
Sony Blu-Ray 790
Svs Ultra Towers/Center, Energy Rc-50 Surround
Svs Pb-13 Ultra Sub
airgas1998 is offline  
post #96 of 303 Old 04-30-2013, 04:42 PM
AVS Special Member
 
p5browne's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Sudbury, Ontario, CANADA
Posts: 3,762
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 43 Post(s)
Liked: 168
Wife looked at the presentation videos, and bluntly told me that there's too much reflextion! End of conversation!
Hates the LG 55LV9500 in ths basement for the same reason. Likes Matte Screens.
p5browne is offline  
post #97 of 303 Old 04-30-2013, 05:08 PM
Member
 
DreamAgain2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 56
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Isn't this TV going to suffer from 4k resolution @ 30hz just like the cheap Seiki TV does? Simply because of HDMI restrictions? Seems silly to spend $5,000 on a TV unless it's coming equipped with HDMI 2.0 .. or is it coming equipped with HDMI 2.0 and I'm just dumb?
DreamAgain2 is offline  
post #98 of 303 Old 04-30-2013, 09:21 PM
Member
 
sony 55 inch 4k's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 20
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
I have had this tv for two days now and it is impressive. I also got the oppo bdp103 hooked up and it displays 3840x2160p for any source thru hdmi. I want to get a calibration before I make a comment on picture quality...
sony 55 inch 4k is offline  
post #99 of 303 Old 04-30-2013, 09:32 PM
Member
 
sony 55 inch 4k's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 20
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Forgive the crappy photo but here is the display 3840x2160p....
sony 55 inch 4k is offline  
post #100 of 303 Old 04-30-2013, 09:37 PM
Member
 
DreamAgain2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 56
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
Liked: 10
So does this actually display 4k at a higher refresh rate than 30hz? I thought that was currently impossible
DreamAgain2 is offline  
post #101 of 303 Old 05-01-2013, 12:21 AM
Member
 
sony 55 inch 4k's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 20
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
YouTube has sample 4k videos and on this TV they are incredible!!!
sony 55 inch 4k is offline  
post #102 of 303 Old 05-01-2013, 01:05 AM
Member
 
honda steffen's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 107
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 13 Post(s)
Liked: 15
Forget the calibration........tell us something about the picture quality, banding, Black Level, clouding a.s.o. :-)
honda steffen is online now  
post #103 of 303 Old 05-01-2013, 01:24 AM
AVS Special Member
 
Sango's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Richmond, BC
Posts: 2,028
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by sony 55 inch 4k View Post

I have had this tv for two days now and it is impressive. I also got the oppo bdp103 hooked up and it displays 3840x2160p for any source thru hdmi. I want to get a calibration before I make a comment on picture quality...

Do you have any photos you could show to us showing real content?

If you have any anime titles, could you also show that as well?
Sango is offline  
post #104 of 303 Old 05-01-2013, 07:48 AM
Member
 
SirPoon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 51
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 12
Getting my unit mid next week...hopefully Wednesday/ Thursday. Got an email from Sony that it was shipped this morning.

I am interested in seeing the upscale results from HD to UHD/4k on your Oppo 103. I have an 2 year old Oppo 93...just curious whether upgrading to Oppo 103 is worth it ... or just rely on the TV upscaling capability...

Sony 55 inch 4K - Hows your viewing experience in regards to cable broadcasting (i.e. Comcast, FIOS, etc)?
SirPoon is offline  
post #105 of 303 Old 05-01-2013, 01:18 PM
Member
 
sony 55 inch 4k's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 20
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
with the Oppo set to 4K the blurays are really good, u can also feed FIOS or any hdmi source with the 2 hdmi inputs to upscale to 4k, i tried that and couldn't really tell a difference between the sony upscaler and the oppo upscaler. for bluray oppo is great but other sources you would be fine with the sony doing the upscaling. Fios looks great on this TV i set the FIOS to 1080i. I did notice some motionblur so I am not sure if that is the FIOS box or the TV. my previous TV was the Pioneer PRO FHD1 1080p plasma and motion blur is not a issue. I need some calibration and settings done I just plugged it in out of the box.

If you want to see what this tv can really do use the Youtube app and search 4K Video, nothing looks better!!
sony 55 inch 4k is offline  
post #106 of 303 Old 05-01-2013, 01:19 PM
Member
 
sony 55 inch 4k's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 20
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Ill try to upload some snapshots
sony 55 inch 4k is offline  
post #107 of 303 Old 05-01-2013, 01:27 PM
Senior Member
 
vaxick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 265
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Liked: 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by DreamAgain2 View Post

So does this actually display 4k at a higher refresh rate than 30hz? I thought that was currently impossible

No way to get above 30hz. That HDMI spec isn't out and won't be out until later this year or sometime in 2014. Even then, HDMI 2.0 is being called a cheap fix for the 4k issue and 60hz is the max it can do.
vaxick is offline  
post #108 of 303 Old 05-01-2013, 01:30 PM
AVS Special Member
 
ohyeah32's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: The Land of Enchantment
Posts: 2,671
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by sony 55 inch 4k View Post

with the Oppo set to 4K the blurays are really good, u can also feed FIOS or any hdmi source with the 2 hdmi inputs to upscale to 4k, i tried that and couldn't really tell a difference between the sony upscaler and the oppo upscaler. for bluray oppo is great but other sources you would be fine with the sony doing the upscaling. Fios looks great on this TV i set the FIOS to 1080i. I did notice some motionblur so I am not sure if that is the FIOS box or the TV. my previous TV was the Pioneer PRO FHD1 1080p plasma and motion blur is not a issue. I need some calibration and settings done I just plugged it in out of the box.
If you want to see what this tv can really do use the Youtube app and search 4K Video, nothing looks better!!!!

While the 4K videos on the YouTube app look great, you're most likely not getting true 4K resolution. I know that the Sony's have a totally different menu system than LG, but the app most likely works the same way. On my 84" LG, the YouTube app doesn't allow one to select the resolution of the video, and as such only plays it at 1080p. If a PC that's 4K capable is connected to the TV, and using the PC's web browser, then the YouTube videos can be played in all their 4K glory when selecting "original" in the resolution selection. So while the videos on the YouTube app look great, your TV is most likely upscaling 1080p to 4K.
ohyeah32 is offline  
post #109 of 303 Old 05-01-2013, 01:36 PM
Member
 
sony 55 inch 4k's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 20
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
ok thats cool, did not know that, I guess theres no real 4K content right now until the media server for this tv comes out
sony 55 inch 4k is offline  
post #110 of 303 Old 05-01-2013, 02:32 PM
Member
 
sony 55 inch 4k's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 20
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
i have confirmed that there is no way to set the you tube app on the tv to 4k,,, oh well.
sony 55 inch 4k is offline  
post #111 of 303 Old 05-01-2013, 02:45 PM
Member
 
SirPoon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 51
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 12
Agreed on the Sony native YouTube app...as it may be be displaying/upscaling the video content from 1080p to 4K. I've tested that in the Sony store 2 weekends ago....when searching for 4K content in YouTube.

The only true 4k source for now is if you connect your PC to the TV (assuming with a good video card that supports 4K native) and play those YouTube videos that are 4K "original" resolution.

I was wondering if you tested a 3D enabled Blu Ray? I assume you are getting better quality than active shutter glasses?
SirPoon is offline  
post #112 of 303 Old 05-01-2013, 02:48 PM
Member
 
sony 55 inch 4k's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 20
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
photo 2 1080i FIOS TV

photos 1 and 3 4k upscale bluray from Oppo BDP-103



sony 55 inch 4k is offline  
post #113 of 303 Old 05-01-2013, 02:51 PM
Member
 
sony 55 inch 4k's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 20
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
yes from what I have seen each eye gets the full 1920x1080p picture, yes I agree with you that passive shutter is the way to go
sony 55 inch 4k is offline  
post #114 of 303 Old 05-01-2013, 02:57 PM
Member
 
SirPoon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 51
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 12
Great PICS you've uploaded! Looks really good! Can't wait to get my TV next week. Do you notice any clouding issues...as seen in many Sony LCD tvs? Where are these TVs made? In the sony store .. they were manufactured in Japan.
SirPoon is offline  
post #115 of 303 Old 05-01-2013, 03:59 PM
Member
 
DreamAgain2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 56
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by vaxick View Post

No way to get above 30hz. That HDMI spec isn't out and won't be out until later this year or sometime in 2014. Even then, HDMI 2.0 is being called a cheap fix for the 4k issue and 60hz is the max it can do.

isn't it absolutely crazy to spend 5-7000 dollars on a 30hz TV? I udnerstand the Seiki cuz it's so cheap but man.. spending $5,000 on a 30hz tv..
DreamAgain2 is offline  
post #116 of 303 Old 05-01-2013, 04:12 PM
AVS Special Member
 
Mark Rejhon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 1999
Location: North America
Posts: 8,124
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Liked: 96
Quote:
Originally Posted by Exponent View Post

Impressions:
  1. Glare and reflections are bad. During a dark scene, it's like looking into a full-length mirror. (On the plus side, this encourages getting back on a fitness regimen.)
  2. Colors have a lot of pop. It isn't OLED, but it's a whole lot better than the 84" 4K set also on display.
  3. Vertical banding was very apparent in some of the demo scenes.
  4. In my opinion, if you're set on the 55" size, don't bother with paying extra for 4K - it is a VERY marginal improvement.
  5. For 65" TVs and above, 4K pays off, to the extent the source material (lens quality and focus) are up to snuff.
You were probably watching pristine demo content.
The distance equation changes dramatically when you use streaming services (or future IPTV services like 4K UVerse, etc)
4K @ 20Mbps looks a hell a lot better than 1080p @ 5Mbps.

I can see problems with 1080p @ 5Mbps on a 47" HDTV.
I also know 4K @ 20Mbps looks MASSIVELY better than 1080p @ 5Mbps.

So there's still a good reason to buy 50" 4K HDTV's: Watching streamed 4K content.
4K @ 20Mbps looks closer to 1080p blu-ray quality, while 1080p @ 5Mbps doesn't.
Compression artifacts are MUCH BIGGER than a pixel.

So 4K is useful at 10 feet away from 50" HDTV's, precisely for this reason: Low bitrate 4K is better looking than low bitrate 1080p (assuming same bitrate per pixel ratio, scaling upwards, 20Mbps versus 5Mbps -- compression artifacts shrinks in visibility). Besides, 4K will eventually cost a small premium over 1080p -- the $1200-$1500 SEIKI 4K HDTV is an early indicator of this eventuality.

Thanks,
Mark Rejhon

www.BlurBusters.com

BlurBusters Blog -- Eliminating Motion Blur by 90%+ on LCD for games and computers

Rooting for upcoming low-persistence rolling-scan OLEDs too!

Mark Rejhon is offline  
post #117 of 303 Old 05-01-2013, 09:04 PM
AVS Special Member
 
p5browne's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Sudbury, Ontario, CANADA
Posts: 3,762
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 43 Post(s)
Liked: 168
Sony is saying during their video - hundreds of more titles to become available in 4K in the future:

http://store.sony.ca/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=100803&storeId=20153&langId=200&productId=8198552921666519103
p5browne is offline  
post #118 of 303 Old 05-02-2013, 09:01 AM
Member
 
McGriddle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 163
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 14
Quote:
Originally Posted by DreamAgain2 View Post

isn't it absolutely crazy to spend 5-7000 dollars on a 30hz TV? I udnerstand the Seiki cuz it's so cheap but man.. spending $5,000 on a 30hz tv..

What's the issue here? It's listed as having Motionflow XR 960, which means it's a 240hz TV with backlight strobing. The 24 and 30hz are only for the video input. What's wrong with 1080p24 for example?
McGriddle is offline  
post #119 of 303 Old 05-02-2013, 10:39 AM
Member
 
honda steffen's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 107
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 13 Post(s)
Liked: 15
Tell us something about clouding, Screen uniformity, banding, viewing angle and Black level. Pleeaasseeeee!
honda steffen is online now  
post #120 of 303 Old 05-02-2013, 12:09 PM
Member
 
sony 55 inch 4k's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 20
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
No clouding from what I can tell, screen is uniform not sure about banding, viewing angle and black levels are good. Yes this tv is made in Japan...
sony 55 inch 4k is offline  
Reply LCD Flat Panel Displays

Tags
Sony Xbr 55x900a 55 Inch 4k Ultra Hd 3d Led Tv , Sony Xbr 65x900a 65 Inch 1080p 120hz 3d Led 4k Ultra Hdtv , Sony
Gear in this thread

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off