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Well we could have a serious contender here. I noticed that this full array version of the E series hasn't been available for quite awhile. I just checked Amazon and it's now available to ship for the awesome price of $1370 brand new.

If you you're looking for a large flat panel with smart features, and won't miss 3D, then this should really be on your shortlist.

http://www.amazon.com/VIZIO-E650i-A2-65-0-Inch-1080p-120Hz/dp/B00BIGDB7E/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1367300376&sr=1-1&keywords=vizio+e650i

I'm very interested to hear what some of the first owners have to say about it because I may return my current 70" Sharp set for a full array model, as the blacks and clouding (edge light uniformity) issues are a real bummer.
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Well it was probably silly of me to believe otherwise, but the TV is direct-lit without local dimming it would seem. There's no mention of local dimming on any of the product information. I suppose performance would still be similar to many edge-lit models?
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Well it was probably silly of me to believe otherwise, but the TV is direct-lit without local dimming it would seem. There's no mention of local dimming on any of the product information. I suppose performance would still be similar to many edge-lit models?

With Full Array wouldn't uniformity issues be less of an issue?
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(xpost from the other thread, didn't see this thread before)

Just bought one of these today as a replacement for an E601i-A3 that had the video loss problem.

First thoughts -- out of the box, this thing is THICK. Fully three times as thick as the E601i. Other than that, though, no negatives that I can see.

During daytime watching with the defaults -- first off the auto brightness is turned on by default and makes the screen looks completely washed out. Turning that off instantly brings the set into a reasonably watchable state of tune. With that, the image is much improved from the E601i. Significantly more vibrant and sharper, plus the backs seem much blacker (I noticed this seeing the side bars on an HD channel with an SD commercial).

Overall, I'm impressed so far. I'd like to hear other's opinions and/or see links to real reviews.

Side benefit -- same remote control commands as the E601i, so no reprogramming necessary.
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Along with the remote codes being the same, the E650i also has undocumented Picture-in-Picture / Side-by-Side, like the other models in the series. It's as easy as using the remote codes for the Vizio VF550M.
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Does this TV come with a generic web browser app? I didn't find anything on the Vizio site, but I may have missed it.

Also, does the Amazon app allow access to the free videos for Prime members?
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Does this TV come with a generic web browser app? I didn't find anything on the Vizio site, but I may have missed it.

Also, does the Amazon app allow access to the free videos for Prime members?

I took a look and I don't think there is a browser. Amazon app does play free Prime videos.

Man, the threads for this TV are dead -- is nobody buying it? After a couple weeks, it's much better than the E601 it replaced.
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Too bad about the browser, but that's not a big surprise. It seems the trend is for each site to offer their own app, rather than have everybody use a generic browser.

Meanwhile, the price on Amazon just dropped by ~$70, so I'm getting closer to pulling the trigger...
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I bought the 65" from Costco the other day. So far, we are really enjoying the TV. The only annoying part is when watching anything with a fast moving object (golf ball, lacrosse, football, etc.) there is a blurring of the ball. I think I improved it a little by going into the settings, but it still seems to show up on occasion.

Right now I am running in the Vivid mode with most everything turned "Off" in the Advanced settings.

My main question is if anyone has some suggested calibration settings for the 65". I've found some on CNET but they are for the 60" and definitely do not apply the same to the 65".

Also I know some people have said to turn EVERYTHING "Off" in the advanced settings. It's hard to believe that all of that is useless, but is this what everyone is finding? A better picture with every single advanced setting "Off"?
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Pulled the trigger yesterday at Costco. It was the last day before the price went back up to $1349 from $1249.

First thought: The Ambient Light Sensor has to be OFF. Otherwise it kept darkening the screen

I watched Star Trek (2009) last night and it looked pretty good on Vivid with most of the ADVANCED settings left as they came. I didn't mess around too much with those yet.

One problem I noticed: The black horizontal bars show a good amount of light bleeding in from the edges on either side. No one else here or on Amazon reviews has mentioned that. I wonder if this one has a defective panel.
Anyone else have this problem?

I'll keep messing with it this week and if that doesn't go away I'll swap it out for another one at Costco.
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Can you post a picture of this?
I just bought one of these, but havnt set it up yet.

Please let me know how your swap turns out. Thanks
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Pulled the trigger yesterday at Costco. It was the last day before the price went back up to $1349 from $1249.

First thought: The Ambient Light Sensor has to be OFF. Otherwise it kept darkening the screen

I watched Star Trek (2009) last night and it looked pretty good on Vivid with most of the ADVANCED settings left as they came. I didn't mess around too much with those yet.

One problem I noticed: The black horizontal bars show a good amount of light bleeding in from the edges on either side. No one else here or on Amazon reviews has mentioned that. I wonder if this one has a defective panel.
Anyone else have this problem?

I'll keep messing with it this week and if that doesn't go away I'll swap it out for another one at Costco.

Am I missing something here?  Is this set full-array back-lit or edge-lit?

What you are describing occurs with edge-lit panels.

Blooming or haloing or uneven lighting from back-lit.

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Am I missing something here?  Is this set full-array back-lit or edge-lit?
What you are describing occurs with edge-lit panels.
Blooming or haloing or uneven lighting from back-lit.

It issuposedly full array, which is why I am wondering if I just ended up with a bad panel. The picture is great otherwise.
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Can you post a picture of this?
I just bought one of these, but havnt set it up yet.

Please let me know how your swap turns out. Thanks

I will try to post a picture tomorrow. I'm really hoping I don't have to do a swap. Other than the light bleeding issue I am very pleased so far.
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http://www.digitaltrends.com/tv-reviews/vizio-e650i-a2-review/

DigitalTrends.com posted a review of the E0i series.

The specifically tested the 42-inch and listed the settings that they found worked well after using a Spyder4 calibrating device and THX calibration Blu-Ray disc.

Preferred Settings

Backlight: 75

Contrast: 69

Brightness: 49

Sharpness: 8

Color: 55

Tint: -2

Color Temperature – Normal

Advanced Settings

Noise Reduction – Low

MPEG NR – Low

Color Enhancement – Off

Adaptive Luma – Off

Film Mode – Off

Smart Dimming – Off

Ambient Light Sensor – Off

Read more: http://www.digitaltrends.com/tv-reviews/vizio-e650i-a2-review/#ixzz2VLebFF4j
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Well it was probably silly of me to believe otherwise, but the TV is direct-lit without local dimming it would seem. There's no mention of local dimming on any of the product information. I suppose performance would still be similar to many edge-lit models?

There is "Smart Dimming" - think it's Vizio's term for local dimming.
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Any chance of someone posting pictures, preferably black screen in a dark room.
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Why is no one buying this TV? Is there a better option considering the price and size?
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What makes you say this is a full array back light? I don't see anything in the link above or on Vizio's specs that say it is. and Dynamic Contrast ratio is only 200,000:1 which is the worst of their TV's.
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It is not full array, but it is direct lit and dynamic contrast numbers are pretty useless.

Only reason I did not just buy one is went through 3 E70-iA3 with bleed and banding, one even had a missing patch in the anti glare coating.
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Along with the remote codes being the same, the E650i also has undocumented Picture-in-Picture / Side-by-Side, like the other models in the series. It's as easy as using the remote codes for the Vizio VF550M.

Does that mean this TV can simultaneously show two video sources--one full-screen another in a window? Can you view two TV channels side by side e.g. two games on different channels and switch between the two?
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I'm seriously considering this TV. Pretty much NO reviews anywhere. Any opinions of this out there? All I care about is value and PQ. Don't care about how thick it is or 3D. Just great PQ at a great price.
Thoughts? Reviews?

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@jayw I saw this set at Walmart and it looks as good as the E701i that was sitting next to it. PQ seems to be on par with the other large Vizio sets. Can't really make out a difference between the edge-lit models (E601i/E701i) vs this back-lit TV in the store environment. The TV is definitely thicker than the other E-series models.

What I am concerned about the E650i is its reliability, due to all the problems I have read about the E601i TVs. So I too am hoping for some user reviews soon.

I am trying to decide between this and the Panasonic Plasma TC-65S64. Although the Panny is better for PQ, it does have some issues with glare in bright rooms and does not have as many HDMI inputs. I haven't been able to compare the two sets in the same store yet, so it's difficult to decide between the two.
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It is not full array, but it is direct lit and dynamic contrast numbers are pretty useless.


Correct. The OP needs to correct the title. Direct lit and full array are NOT the same thing. A full array set uses less LEDs than an edge lit set does and far less than a full array TV..
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So this is weird. The "Energy Star" tag is only $9/year for the 65 inch. E650I-A2. Which is way lower than the 60 or 70 inch. Why/how can this be? Does this mean that the E650I-A2 is very dim?

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Bought it today. I'll give impressions after setup.

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Agree with many other's comments. Out of the box - YUCK. Changed settings to Digital Trends as a start and WOW! Looks about perfect. Very pleased with this TV's PQ. Not using the internal speakers, but glad I didn't spend more. Great Value!

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So this is weird. The "Energy Star" tag is only $9/year for the 65 inch. E650I-A2. Which is way lower than the 60 or 70 inch. Why/how can this be? Does this mean that the E650I-A2 is very dim?

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Just look at the wattage used and YOUR electric rate per KWH, my M551D is rated at 91w and my electric charge here where I live is about 17 cents/KWH so I can run my TV for 11 hours for $0.17. So according to Vizio yourE650i-A2 uses 219.22W so you'll use 1 KWH in 4.56 hours so if your charge is the same as mine, to limit your power usage to $9 then do the math : $9 / $0.17 = 52.94 Kwh's ( or basically you can use 1.02 Kwh's / week). so that means you WILL meet that $9 / yr if you only run your TV for 4.64 hrs / WEEK. If that's all you use your TV then don't buy a flat screen, use your phone to watch Tv and put the money to good use: rolleyes.gif
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I just ordered this TV tonight via Amazon. I too am a little concerned more people aren't buying this and that there aren't many detailed reviews for it. It seems like a great deal. This will replace my Samsung 46" 1080p LCD in my living room. My Samsung originally cost me $3500+ and it has to be close to 5 years old. It still has a great picture, but it will be awesome to put that bad boy in my bedroom! I'm hoping this 65 inch will blow me away.

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