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post #3871 of 13045 Old 11-26-2013, 05:21 AM
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That's kinda a relief for the 65 but a shame that 55 differs in spec. Perhaps that'll be a firmware update with any luck smile.gif

Somebody posted earlier a rumor that a Sony EE in Italy (under the old oak tree at midnight) acknowledged the problem was that the 55" has pixels so small that they couldn't, if I understood correctly, physically get enough of a polarizer on each line to make it work at 1080 in 3D. I don't see that getting changed with firmware.

Speaking to the hysteria about we'll never get real 2.0; when I worked in Silicon valley designing chips for 20 years, we'd ship stuff all the time with hardware that could do all sorts of wonderful things but SW was backed up, or occasionally marketing wanted to pretend they were a car company and hold something back so they could announce a "new" feature as a "mid life refresh" when sales fell off.

So I'm not the least bit surprised that Sony is claiming they'll do a 2.0 update in firmware. And while I feel like I have a bit more knowledge about this sort of thing than the average person, I got no idea what chip set / IP is in the tv, and frankly don't care.

If I understand the above; after all the whining that 2.0 was holding folks back, there is in fact nothing currently available to use it. If somebody that has a 2.o output, can they please run the thing once and for all so Can we drop this and whine about the 3D or something?

I would care if Fox, etc, announced that they were going to stop treating us like dirt and goto 1080p let alone Sony ripping their vast library to 4k at any refresh rate so we can watch something on these fabulous if imperfect TVs
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Somebody posted earlier a rumor that a Sony EE in Italy (under the old oak tree at midnight) acknowledged the problem was that the 55" has pixels so small that they couldn't, if I understood correctly, physically get enough of a polarizer on each line to make it work at 1080 in 3D.

Just take a look, it's like every second line can't be conveyed:


www.youtube.com/watch?v=4znn0yU5k_Y
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Just take a look, it's like every second line can't be conveyed:


www.youtube.com/watch?v=4znn0yU5k_Y

Correct. So we do know it can't do it; we don't know why that happened. Maybe we'll get a free tv someday to fix this. Don't hold your breath.
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Somebody posted earlier a rumor that a Sony EE in Italy (under the old oak tree at midnight) acknowledged the problem was that the 55" has pixels so small that they couldn't, if I understood correctly, physically get enough of a polarizer on each line to make it work at 1080 in 3D. I don't see that getting changed with firmware.

Speaking to the hysteria about we'll never get real 2.0; when I worked in Silicon valley designing chips for 20 years, we'd ship stuff all the time with hardware that could do all sorts of wonderful things but SW was backed up, or occasionally marketing wanted to pretend they were a car company and hold something back so they could announce a "new" feature as a "mid life refresh" when sales fell off.

So I'm not the least bit surprised that Sony is claiming they'll do a 2.0 update in firmware. And while I feel like I have a bit more knowledge about this sort of thing than the average person, I got no idea what chip set / IP is in the tv, and frankly don't care.

If I understand the above; after all the whining that 2.0 was holding folks back, there is in fact nothing currently available to use it. If somebody that has a 2.o output, can they please run the thing once and for all so Can we drop this and whine about the 3D or something?

I would care if Fox, etc, announced that they were going to stop treating us like dirt and goto 1080p let alone Sony ripping their vast library to 4k at any refresh rate so we can watch something on these fabulous if imperfect TVs

If anyone had an idea what the future HDMI 2.0 specs were going be it was SONY. They are founding members of HDMI. LOL

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Somebody posted earlier a rumor that a Sony EE in Italy (under the old oak tree at midnight) acknowledged the problem was that the 55" has pixels so small that they couldn't, if I understood correctly, physically get enough of a polarizer on each line to make it work at 1080 in 3D. I don't see that getting changed with firmware.
 

it was me. I received the info directly from the press office of Sony Italy. their official position is that because the 55" deliver 540p per eye, the total resolution under 3D is correctly 1080p, though it's obviously wrong..


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the 55" delivers 540p per eye, the total resolution under 3D is correctly 1080p, though it's obviously wrong

Samsung successfully sued LG for that statement a while ago.
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do you guys think Sony will ever admit to the fact that the 55" does NOT do full HD in 3D? I'm very dissapointed because this was not a cheap tv. the 4k content looks great, but i'm also a fan of 3D and reading about this makes me sick! :/ Hope they try to make it right for us loyal customers one way or another.
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do you guys think Sony will ever admit to the fact that the 55" does NOT do full HD in 3D? I'm very dissapointed because this was not a cheap tv. the 4k content looks great, but i'm also a fan of 3D and reading about this makes me sick! :/ Hope they try to make it right for us loyal customers one way or another.


Not likely
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Hope they try to make it right for us loyal customers one way or another.

They might be able to upgrade their future 55" models. They can't "fix" the units in the field.

Replacing the 55 with a 65, maybe charging us the difference in price, is about all they could do.
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They might be able to upgrade their future 55" models. They can't "fix" the units in the field.

Replacing the 55 with a 65, maybe charging us the difference in price, is about all they could do.

yeah, i see this is probably the way they'll go, but unless there is plenty of people protesting this issue with the 3D not being full HD, i doubt sony will even acknowledge it. I hope i'm wrong though. I knew i should have bought the 65" :/ it was 7 grand at the time, and that is waaay to much IMO. by the way, has the firmware been sent already? all i got was a "software" upgrade this morning. Anybody else know about it? thanks
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Samsung successfully sued LG for that statement a while ago.

And Samsung was stopped by the European courts from stating that some of their sets were capable of Full HD 3D when actually they could only display 540p in 3D mode.
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yeah, i see this is probably the way they'll go, but unless there is plenty of people protesting this issue with the 3D not being full HD, i doubt sony will even acknowledge it. I hope i'm wrong though. I knew i should have bought the 65" :/ it was 7 grand at the time, and that is waaay to much IMO. by the way, has the firmware been sent already? all i got was a "software" upgrade this morning. Anybody else know about it? thanks

This issue with the 55" model has been reported by Consumer Reports, so I don't see how Sony could deny it exists. Of course, they may not consider it a "defect". but that does not mean they shouldn't compensate those who bought the set. Anyone who cares enough about picture quality to spend this kind of money ought to be treated accordingly, rather than being deceived by clever marketing practices. Sony management should know that this type of thing can only undermine their reputation and credibility as a manufacturer of high-end consumer electronics.
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Reality Creation:

Is this "anything more" than the 4k scaler controls?

There are a number of controls in that section of the menu, but I think I just had an "duh" moment that "reality creation" is just upscaling,

but for some reason I thought it was doing something different, not sure what, but it just dawned on me…

Anyone decoded what the various controls "really" do compared to the nebulous descriptions provided?
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3D performance - sort of like fretting over not having AM Stereo in your car.

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Did the update on the European 65X9005A, can confirm that neither my Radeon 7750CF Media Center PC or my Titan SLI gaming PC can do 3840x2160@60 under Windows 8.1.

I DO hope that nVidia and AMD get their act together and update their drivers soon because it does NOT sound to me like it cannot be done by the controlling chip of the graphics cards themselves. The 1.4 port is the same as 2.0 electrically, hi-speed HDMI cables are used anyway... Radeons 7xxx and GeForces 7xx/Titan at the very least *should* be able to do it.

If either company tries to sell the 4K/60 feature as something only the Radeon R or the GF780/780 Ti can do, in my opinion they'll be misleading their customer base. Plain and simple.

Unless anyone can explain in simple terms why the current cards' pixel clocks are incapable of offering 4K/60, that is. Hm.
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Nvidia's current cards to date can only do 4k @ 60HZ with DP1.2 and MST enabled panels. They can also do 4k @ 30hz with HDMI 1.4.

AMD's current cards to date can only do 4k @ 60HZ with DP1.2 and MST enabled panels. They can also do 4k @ 30hz with HDMI 1.4. Potentially they could in the future have HDMI 2.0 enabled.

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This issue with the 55" model has been reported by Consumer Reports, so I don't see how Sony could deny it exists. Of course, they may not consider it a "defect". but that does not mean they shouldn't compensate those who bought the set. Anyone who cares enough about picture quality to spend this kind of money ought to be treated accordingly, rather than being deceived by clever marketing practices. Sony management should know that this type of thing can only undermine their reputation and credibility as a manufacturer of high-end consumer electronics.

i agree. Thankfully the 3D still looks good to me, even on my 55" its so comfortable and bright that i forget that i may be looking at lower quality than i would on the 65". still, i think sony should make it right for every single person who invested in this tv. The 2D and 4K picture quality on the other hand are stunning and jaw dropping however. I know people say 3D shouldnt matter as much because its dead anyway, but i do enjoy 3D. I think its the price you pay for being an early adaptor. Still, i hope for their sake and their reputation, that they jump imediatly on this issue. I will never consider samsung again, but in the future i may consider a panasonic 4k set instead.
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I was going to buy the 55" and I asked the question should I go the 65" instead and this was before the 3d issues were known and someone said "get the 65 because you will only regret it later down the track if you dont!" So i got the 65".

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i agree. Thankfully the 3D still looks good to me, even on my 55" its so comfortable and bright that i forget that i may be looking at lower quality than i would on the 65". still, i think sony should make it right for every single person who invested in this tv. The 2D and 4K picture quality on the other hand are stunning and jaw dropping however. I know people say 3D shouldnt matter as much because its dead anyway, but i do enjoy 3D. I think its the price you pay for being an early adaptor. Still, i hope for their sake and their reputation, that they jump imediatly on this issue. I will never consider samsung again, but in the future i may consider a panasonic 4k set instead.

I find it quite amusing that when 3D was first introduced many of the current naysayers were on board with the technology, but abruptly changed their viewpoint once it became "fashionable" amongst some professional reviewers to bash it. Granted, the tech simply doesn't work for some...I've read about the headaches and other disturbances that many people experience when watching 3D content. And I'll be the first to admit that most of the active glasses are uncomfortable and far too expensive. I also understand that both active and passive glasses can be difficult to wear for those who already wear spectacles. And I appreciate that there are those who feel that they'll only embrace 3D when it becomes a glasses-free proposition. I am glad that 3D worked out just fine for me, both active and passive, and that I didn't let what others (including some without any personal experience with 3D TV) were saying influence my purchasing decisions. I have a modest collection of 3D Blu-rays, and have access to content via 3DNet, Vudu, and Wealth 3D. It is unfortunate that the content providers and broadcasters didn't see it fit to promote and distribute programming much more widely (and wisely), because doing so would've been far less difficult than the hurdles they'll face when it comes to UHDTV.
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3D performance - sort of like fretting over not having AM Stereo in your car.

Right... and here is the message to Sony: "Confess! ...Admit it! You dirty rats. (Edward G. Robinson). Confess!"
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I am going to get a replacement (65 for 55 inch) after sending them the video biggrin.gif
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I am going to get a replacement (65 for 55 inch) after sending them the video biggrin.gif

shoot, if thats the case, let me send it too! xD lol
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Sony should provide an exchange program for those who were misled about the 55" sets.

The children who relentlessly post about 3D being dead because ESPN stopped broadcasting their terrible content need to get a life, now. Why they were naive enough to think that all TV was going to go stereoscopic in the first place I can't imagine. There is still a constant stream of 3D theatrical releases, blu-ray 3Ds, and 3D PPV content available. If someone doesn't like it, don't watch it. We get it. You don't like it. We really do. The fact is, 3D has never been more successful than it is now. It's a niche, so what? wink.gif
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... has never been more successful than it is now. It's a niche, so what? wink.gif

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The children who relentlessly post about 3D being dead because ESPN stopped broadcasting their terrible content need to get a life, now.

Stevep, you seem to take that personally, but the facts are indisputable.

"3D TV is a chicken without an egg. Many LED LCD and plasma TVs today offer a 3D feature and ship with 3D glasses, but most people never use the feature and never don the glasses. Or they try it once or twice and then leave the glasses to gather dust.

The missing egg is content. Despite the hype of its "Avatar"-fueled launch and accompanying predictions about a proliferation of made-in-3D movies, sports, and TV shows, 3D is still uncommon today. There's not much actual 3D you can watch on a 3D TV.

With a couple hundred total Blu-ray titles available now, that format is by far the best 3D source, but selection is still slim compared with the thousands of 2D Blu-ray titles. Beyond that, most games are 2D-only, on-demand 3D sources available via streaming or your cable/satellite provider are scarce, and the few true 3D TV channels are fading fast.

The biggest, ESPN 3D, will be gone by the end of 2013 "due to limited viewer adoption of 3D services to the home." Meanwhile DirecTV's n3D went from full to part time last year, and the only other dedicated 3D channel, a documentary-heavy Sony/Discovery/IMAX partnership called 3net, isn't exactly a household name. Even the BBC is dropping 3D this year."
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I am going to get a replacement (65 for 55 inch) after sending them the video biggrin.gif

Free of charge or do you have to pay any of the difference?
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Not personally, no. I still have more 3D content than I can watch. Again, no one in their right mind would really have expected 3D to take over broadcasting and render 2D obsolete. I don't even think that would happen if 100% perfect glasses free 8K sets were on the market today. All the hype was created by the same reporters who enjoy telling us it is dead now. Those of us in the real world with realistic expectations still have plenty to watch, with lots more to come.

McDonalds sells more hamburgers than fish sandwiches. Clearly that means fish sandwiches are dead. rolleyes.gif

The real fact is....there is way more 3D content now than ever before. Who cares if it is only a fraction of what is available in 2D? Only people with nothing better to do.. don't take it personally, but in good fun.
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Free of charge or do you have to pay any of the difference?

Since I am one of those “luckily early adopters” it’s not much.
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Some bad news here.

 

I have played a lot of You tube videos in 4k and the same ones in 1080.

 

No difference whatsoever.

 

Maybe the 4k on You Tube is compressed or something?

 

This 4k is getting really Illusive...it's like talking about teleportation...Sony sold us a teleporter!!

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Anyone know the response time of this Sony 4k panel? I am thinking of getting the w900a for the PS4 due to the 19ms response time. However, if I update a PC in a year or so I may be wishing I got a 4k panel. It is a matter of time before one video card can support 4k (i.e. the Titan replacement). How long before a 4k panel is released that has a reasonably fast response time?
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