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No offense man, but I never understand why people ask "what would you do" in internet forums?

We aren't YOU, so how can we say what we would do if were YOU??

Most of us love this tv, and are happy for the most part that we bought it...

And, there is NO SUCH THING as "future proofing", since new stuff comes out all the time, and as soon as you buy something, there is somethings newer and better on the horizon...The same goes for cars, electronics, mobile phones, anything..

most of us prefer passive 3d, since the glasses are next to nothing to replace, no batteries to deal with, and for most of us, the viewing angle is better.

You have a better chance of getting a better price if you buy this tv now, as the "new" ones wont be discounted at all for several months after they are released..
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My -GUESS- is that Sony feels they must offer 1080p in 3D on the 55" but as has been discussed ad nausea and proven it over and over that 3d doesn't work right on the 55"x900A, and I'll guess it will work on the active 55 in the 900B rev.

Uh, the 3D works BRILLIANTLY on the 55X900A. It's just 540p, is all. But I wouldn't trade it for a 1080p active set for all the tea in China - and I likes my tea. But I likes my 55X9 even more.
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Uh, the 3D works BRILLIANTLY on the 55X900A. It's just 540p, is all. But I wouldn't trade it for a 1080p active set for all the tea in China - and I likes my tea. But I likes my 55X9 even more.

IMHO displaying a 1080p signal in 540p on a display with 2160 lines is obviously broken.

Fortunately I don't give a "wit" about 3d, but. It's broken on the 55"
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Well, Geoff is well aware of how the 55X900a 3D works. He has also reported that, even though it is only 540p, the quality of the 3D signal is still excellent. He obviously likes his display, and it is unfair of you to criticize it.
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Well, Geoff is well aware of how the 55X900a 3D works. He has also reported that, even though it is only 540p, the quality of the 3D signal is still excellent. He obviously likes his display, and it is unfair of you to criticize it.

 

Well, as you have stated previously - everyone is entitled to their own opinion...

 

What you think of, or do with, their opinion is up to you...

 

Was Geoff aware that the 55" was not a true "4K" (2160) 3D, like the 65" is - before he purchased it...?

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Well, Geoff is well aware of how the 55X900a 3D works. He has also reported that, even though it is only 540p, the quality of the 3D signal is still excellent. He obviously likes his display, and it is unfair of you to criticize it.

I own a 55" , and can see the lines in 3d from 10 feet.

Is it ok for me criticize it?

I hope kidding
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Does anyone on here own both the X900 and the Oppo 103/105 D/non-D...?

 

I would really like to know how the X900's upscaler compares to the much touted Oppo - both Darbee and non-Darbee...?

 

My "assumption" is - the X900's scaler is probably just as good, if not better, than the Oppo's...?

 

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I own both the 65XBR900A and the Oppo 103D and I can tell you that the Oppo has an outstanding scaler.I watched the latest Riddick movie upscaled to 4k and the resolution was outstanding.
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my 55X900A has the same defect. Its now my second set with the same issue that Sony replaced. the set i have now hides it better than the previous one they exchanged but its still there. i called Sony again to make them aware of the issue. They wanted to exchange it yet again but i decided to wait a while and see if an update may correct it AND may accept the exchange once the new models are out later in the year to see if the issue has been fixed. For now, what seems to help with that redline ghosting for me is keep the brightness at around 50 or 51 and the backlight at 7. also, under "picture" i keep it at 90. That seems to help correct the issue for me. I hear from another forum member that he went through the same issue and said its an LCD defect more noticibale on some panels than others.
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I own both the 65XBR900A and the Oppo 103D and I can tell you that the Oppo has an outstanding scaler.I watched the latest Riddick movie upscaled to 4k and the resolution was outstanding.

 

The Oppo has a reputation of excellent up-scaling, no one doubts that.  But the question is, which up-scales better, the Oppo or the Sony?  To answer that question, you need to spend quite a bit of time analyzing specific test patterns on a disk like Spears&Munsil, ver 2.  Those of us who have compared up-scaling in various other devices, like the Oppo, or in my case, the Denon 4520, have concluded that the differences are negligible, if any.

 

So, it boils down to how you are going to route the video signal.  If you connect the Oppo directly to the Sony, you are good to go.  If you route the signal through any other component, like an AVR or a Darblet, that doesn't support 4K pass-through, you are forced to let the Sony up-convert.

 

Either way, it's all good.


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my 55X900A has the same defect. Its now my second set with the same issue that Sony replaced. the set i have now hides it better than the previous one they exchanged but its still there. i called Sony again to make them aware of the issue. They wanted to exchange it yet again but i decided to wait a while and see if an update may correct it AND may accept the exchange once the new models are out later in the year to see if the issue has been fixed. For now, what seems to help with that redline ghosting for me is keep the brightness at around 50 or 51 and the backlight at 7. also, under "picture" i keep it at 90. That seems to help correct the issue for me. I hear from another forum member that he went through the same issue and said its an LCD defect more noticibale on some panels than others.

 

Brightness=50 and backlight=6 or 7 are the optimum settings, so you are on the right track!

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The Oppo has a reputation of excellent up-scaling, no one doubts that.  But the question is, which up-scales better, the Oppo or the Sony?  To answer that question, you need to spend quite a bit of time analyzing specific test patterns on a disk like Spears&Munsil, ver 2.  Those of us who have compared up-scaling in various other devices, like the Oppo, or in my case, the Denon 4520, have concluded that the differences are negligible, if any.

 

So, it boils down to how you are going to route the video signal.  If you connect the Oppo directly to the Sony, you are good to go.  If you route the signal through any other component, like an AVR or a Darblet, that doesn't support 4K pass-through, you are forced to let the Sony up-convert.

 

Either way, it's all good.

 

Thanks for the answer!

 

But I guess I am questioning whether I need to buy another blu-ray player when I like the one I have...

 

If the Sony X900 does just as good a job as the Oppo 103D - then I don't need the Oppo - right?

 

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Nope, not for up- scaling.

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IMHO displaying a 1080p signal in 540p on a display with 2160 lines is obviously broken.

Fortunately I don't give a "wit" about 3d, but. It's broken on the 55"

Broken? No. Compromised? Yes.

But I hate active, absolutely hate it, so there's no alternative for me. Even if I sold this set and bought a regular 1080p passive TV, I'd still be getting a 540p 3D image. And I can still the lines of the FPR on regular passive TVs, I can still see the aliasing on regular passive TVs, so it's not like that issue will simply go away.

The 65X900A would be the best way around this problem, providing full 1080 passive resolution, but I simply don't have the room for such a beast.
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No offense man, but I never understand why people ask "what would you do" in internet forums?

We aren't YOU, so how can we say what we would do if were YOU??

Most of us love this tv, and are happy for the most part that we bought it...

And, there is NO SUCH THING as "future proofing", since new stuff comes out all the time, and as soon as you buy something, there is somethings newer and better on the horizon...The same goes for cars, electronics, mobile phones, anything..

most of us prefer passive 3d, since the glasses are next to nothing to replace, no batteries to deal with, and for most of us, the viewing angle is better.

You have a better chance of getting a better price if you buy this tv now, as the "new" ones wont be discounted at all for several months after they are released..

Thanks wase. No offense taken...like you said, this IS just the interwebz.

When I said future proofing and what would YOU do (love that show, btw), I meant making the investment in 4K versus my initial choice of the 1080p Sammy 65F8500. Buying the 4k set is definitely the better choice as the content ramps up (Netflix etc), and that wasn't as clear to me when I first started reading this thread days ago. I thought I'd save over 2 grand on the 1080p set and would purchase the 4K when prices dropped and content became more readily available. After reading through all this and seeing the 4k players in stock, Netflix plans, etc, I now think it would be foolish to invest 3grand into 1080p an I guess I wanted someone to say,"absofekkinlutely dude!"

Thanks for the info on the passive 3D and I agree, every time I have seen in-store demos, the passive sets have more of a pop. I would still buy the 4K even with the 3D sight unseen based on comments here because it will be a gauranteed improvement over a 1080p set..

As a total newb to the situation, I do feel as if I should wait for the newer unit even if I pay around $500 premium over the 900A because I'm worried about being stuck with a device that requires a new "box" or other investment to get to where the B series are by default. I'm glad that you are happy with your set and I hope Sony "does the right thing".

Thanks again.
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Broken? No. Compromised? Yes.

But I hate active, absolutely hate it, so there's no alternative for me. Even if I sold this set and bought a regular 1080p passive TV, I'd still be getting a 540p 3D image. And I can still the lines of the FPR on regular passive TVs, I can still see the aliasing on regular passive TVs, so it's not like that issue will simply go away.

The 65X900A would be the best way around this problem, providing full 1080 passive resolution, but I simply don't have the room for such a beast.

even though the 55X9 might not be full HD 3D, it seems to have a far better picture in 3D compared to other 1080p passive sets. I agree with you. I think just because its not as good as the 65 does NOT mean its bad or broken. I would rather passive on my 55 set any day over the active 3D tvs for one simple reason, I actualy ENJOY 3D now smile.gif
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Brightness=50 and backlight=6 or 7 are the optimum settings, so you are on the right track!

Thanks Jerry smile.gif i see it every now and then still but not as bad as before. Other than that my panel and picture quality is just amazing on this set! Your settings helped ALOT to achieve that.
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yeah, if your current tv isnt broken, and you are the type of person who is patient, then it might not be a bad idea to wait a few months when the new tv's come out; you will be paying alot more, and only you can decide if its worth it...as far as lots of 4k content coming soon, no one knows what tomorrow may bring, but the fact that almost all the mfgs. have announced 4k tv's this year, the chances of actually having some 4k content soon is alot better than it was 6 months ago. Either way, these are great tv's, whether you are viewing 4k content or not!
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The X9/X8 UHD TV comes with Bluetooth apparently. Anyone knows if i can pair and use Bluetooth headphones together with the TV for late nite viewing sessions?

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Well, here is something interesting I just found out...

 

While the new B 55" and 65" TVs will have active 3D...

 

The 79" will have passive 3D.

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The X9/X8 UHD TV comes with Bluetooth apparently. Anyone knows if i can pair and use Bluetooth headphones together with the TV for late nite viewing sessions?

The bluetooth is mainly for the one-touch remote. Apparently people have had success connecting bluetooth mice (for use with the browser) on 2013 Bravias, but keyboards, headphones etc won't work.
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Well, here is something interesting I just found out...

While the new B 55" and 65" TVs will have active 3D...

The 79" will have passive 3D.

I sure hope you are right about this. I love the 65 inch 4k passive I bought from Sony last year. It is a great bedroom tv, but too small for the HomeTheater. The 79 incher is a bit smaller them my current 82 inch DLP but close enough if it is passive 3d ....
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I sure hope you are right about this. I love the 65 inch 4k passive I bought from Sony last year. It is a great bedroom tv, but too small for the HomeTheater. The 79 incher is a bit smaller them my current 82 inch DLP but close enough if it is passive 3d ....

 

Yes, just confirmed on Sony's website...

 

The 79" is a whole lot of TV though... lol

 

I wonder what the selling price will be - realistically.

 

Sony's press release says it has a MSRP of $8,999...

 

Would be nice if the price was off by $2,000 - like the 65" press release was last year.

 

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Yes, just confirmed on Sony's website...

The 79" is a whole lot of TV though... lol

I wonder what the selling price will be - realistically.

Sony's press release says it has a MSRP of $8,999...

Would be nice if the price was off by $2,000 - like the 65" press release was last year.

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Compared to the $25,000 they want for the upcoming 85 incher that is active 3d (yes I know FALD) it is a huge bargin!
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Awesome news with the 79" set being passive.
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Compared to the $25,000 they want for the upcoming 85 incher that is active 3d (yes I know FALD) it is a huge bargin!

 

Yeah, I don't get that one...

 

79" for $9,000 - 5 extra inches for $25,000...

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I double checked my measurements.

I can go with a 65" as well if I simply went with the HD route. W950B could be something to look at but not sure of the panel quality because it doesn't have "Deep Black" which the 900A has. Besides from that it would fit perfectly fine.

If I went UltraHD, I can go with the 55X900A. 65X900A maybe questionable because because the way the living room. I have full height alcoves on each side of the fireplace (where I plan to put the TV on top of the fireplace) which may probably affect how the TV looks if I have went with 65X900A because it's width is about 67" while my wall surface width is about 64".
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I can go with a 65" as well if I simply went with the HD route. W950B could be something to look at but not sure of the panel quality because it doesn't have "Deep Black" which the 900A has. Besides from that it would fit perfectly fine.

The 2014 55W950B is getting horrible reviews.

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/kdl55w955b-201403103661.htm

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I double checked my measurements.

If I went UltraHD, I can go with the 55X900A. 65X900A maybe questionable because because the way the living room. I have full height alcoves on each side of the fireplace (where I plan to put the TV on top of the fireplace) which may probably affect how the TV looks if I have went with 65X900A because it's width is about 67" while my wall surface width is about 64".
I have the same issue. I have space for either the 55x900B (59") or the 65x850B (57"). I am in an apartment and signed another 1 year lease.

I'm thinking I should go ahead and get the 65x900B (68") when it comes out and figure out how to fit it considering I can move to a bigger place 9 months later.
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The backlight uniformity alone on that 950 is plain scary.

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The 2014 55W950B is getting horrible reviews.
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/kdl55w955b-201403103661.htm

"There’s just no sugarcoating this: the KDL-55W955B is the worst-performing Sony Bravia flagship HDTV we’ve reviewed in terms of picture quality. It’s a disappointing departure from the excellent heritage of high-end Bravia TVs, all because of the use of IPS-type LCD TV panel that’s notorious for shallow blacks – perhaps it’s a strategic decision by Sony to funnel potential buyers towards the company’s 4K Ultra HD models?"


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