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absolutely. when will sony answer me I'll immediately post the information obtained here.. 

 

Even when Sony does answer you - it is 50/50 whether they are right or not...

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Grazie mille.

non c'è di che! :D

 

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Even when Sony does answer you - it is 50/50 whether they are right or not...

yes, it's true. but at least I've something in my hands to use to complain with Sony at a later time... and you know, 50/50 is better than zero.

however you're right, I don't expect that the answer from Sony will solve all my doubts, but it's a beginning..

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Thanks for the discussions and help provided the last few pages guys, very useful as I am trying out various settings on my new 65" X9 set up in my family room for a couple of days now. July '13 build date, HDCP capable, PKG4.201AAA from 2/7/14 updated. 

 

One thing seems obvious, and that is Sony could and should do a better job of informing it's customers about the envelope of effects settings their TVs provide, describe for example how they might work (or not) in conjunction with each other on different types of sources, and clearly communicate some better facts regarding the input ports and HDMI/HDCP etc.. How hard should this stuff be, not much really, and it would give a definite sales advantage to them for going the extra bit-mapped inch.

 

'Course, this might be said of other manufacturers also.

 

Thanks for the detailed info, I'll at some point post a few observations and maybe ask a question or two. PQ so far is very good, with some definite source differences from the 60" Vizio E series it replaced, which was really also very good on all sources it took on. 

 

I am loving the speakers/sound also, and retired the small Roland 'Cakewalk' powered speakers I was using often on the Viz, whose sound was better than I expected, but no match for the X9.

 

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Do you guys think this calculator is accurate enough that prospective buyers could use it to determine screen size?

http://referencehometheater.com/2013/commentary/4k-calculator/
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Do you guys think this calculator is accurate enough that prospective buyers could use it to determine screen size?

http://referencehometheater.com/2013/commentary/4k-calculator/

I think so, given the ranges. I watch at 7ft away on my 65". There is no doubt that there is a perceivable improvement over 1080p native. Those that say that watching 3ft away is pleasant- I don't understand at all.

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I can't believe no one sees a difference with Super Bit Mapping off- although i didnt notice a difference when I first got the set an i never revisited. Makes me think the feature was possibly defected on my set an when I turn it off the defect is negated. Or maybe the cumulative effect of all of the settings I have that are unique allow me to perceive a benefit. Or maybe it doesn't like the Darblet signal.

I can describe the difference I see if that helps

- Improved sharpness especially around edges. Easily seen in graphics and text

- Improved uniformity of colors

- improved maintained detail during movement

- bumped up luminance. Had to reduce my backlight from 6 to 5, although I have not measured this

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In the process of replacing my Marantz A/V receiver and have only been using my X900's speakers, I am really surprised how these speakers sound. I am really tempted to sell all of audio equipment...I know that the surround sound is really needed for the full effect.... I am just really confused on what to do now... confused.gif
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I can't believe no one sees a difference with Super Bit Mapping off- although i didnt notice a difference when I first got the set an i never revisited. Makes me think the feature was possibly defected on my set an when I turn it off the defect is negated. Or maybe the cumulative effect of all of the settings I have that are unique allow me to perceive a benefit. Or maybe it doesn't like the Darblet signal.

I can describe the difference I see if that helps

- Improved sharpness especially around edges. Easily seen in graphics and text

- Improved uniformity of colors

- improved maintained detail during movement

- bumped up luminance. Had to reduce my backlight from 6 to 5, although I have not measured this

Wait... you are saying that your picture IMPROVES like this when you turn it off? I will have to try it. I use AustinJerry's settings. Are you settings close to those?
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Wait... you are saying that your picture IMPROVES like this when you turn it off? I will have to try it. I use AustinJerry's settings. Are you settings close to those?


Umm not really in certain respects, exactly the same as Jerry's and Geof's in some basic measurements. I have them dialed in to other scene selects to compare. I believe there is enough deviation between individual sets to make certain settings that affect grayscale and such unique, since it has always been this way for HDTVs

Jerry often says there are one set of settings that indicate "calibrated" but I must admit that I now tend to go with what I "perceive" is better with content. But I do agree with Jerry.

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Wait... you are saying that your picture IMPROVES like this when you turn it off? I will have to try it. I use AustinJerry's settings. Are you settings close to those?

I am experimenting with the Super Bit setting right now as well, trying to determine whether I see a difference.
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In the process of replacing my Marantz A/V receiver and have only been using my X900's speakers, I am really surprised how these speakers sound. I am really tempted to sell all of audio equipment...I know that the surround sound is really needed for the full effect.... I am just really confused on what to do now... confused.gif

They are good, aren't they? I've seriously considered getting rid of my 5.1 setup too, but in the end I decided to downsize my speakers. I still want 5.1, I still love 5.1, but I can't justify having these big floorstanders and whatnot when they're hardly getting used because the TV is so good!
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They are good, aren't they? I've seriously considered getting rid of my 5.1 setup too, but in the end I decided to downsize my speakers. I still want 5.1, I still love 5.1, but I can't justify having these big floorstanders and whatnot when they're hardly getting used because the TV is so good!

 

What do you use for music...?

 

I too am looking for a solution to clear up the "cluttered" look of big tower speakers, etc...

 

But I too like the sound of 5.1/7.1, etc...

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Hello :

I also have a 5 and some times a 7.1 sound system and I can notice a HUGE difference in the sound between the Sony onboard speakers and my surround speakers. especially listening to music videos or movies. In fact I did the initial comparison and have not listened to the Sony speakers since then. in fact have not turnred off my surround setup in years.

Maybe watching the news but not anything else no way.. I have 10 focal (JM Labs speakers ) that I use in various configurations .If you want to free up some space its one thing but if you want that true home theater experience with the various master audio formats available to us you need at least 5.1 or even better 5.2. and some sound tracks are 7.1

Just think about that lightning strike or helicopter flying behind your head or that dinasor thundering through the trees etc.

I have a home theater in my family room and a TV upstairs in the living room.

Just my thoughts and the sony speakers are good for what they are. To each his own

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I agree, especially with films. But it's pretty awesome that some people say they are the best inbuilt speakers ever made.

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I agree, especially with films. But it's pretty awesome that some people say they are the best inbuilt speakers ever made.

 

Dang... if you guys are saying these speakers sound that good...

 

I can't image how good the speakers on the B model sound with the matching wireless sub...

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I gotta chime and and say how much i love the speakers, havent turned on my 5.1 once since i bought the TV eek.gif
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Dang... if you guys are saying these speakers sound that good...

I can't image how good the speakers on the B model sound with the matching wireless sub...

What's this matching wireless sub, do you have a link?
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The x900a also has an external subwoofer available sa w2500 but it's not wireless, it a small but good 70 Watt that works good, it works with the few TV's with subwoofer ports like the x900a w900 and it can be added to most Sony sound bar and multi speaker home theater systems.
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The x900a also has an external subwoofer available sa w2500 but it's not wireless, it a small but good 70 Watt that works good, it works with the few TV's with subwoofer ports like the x900a w900 and it can be added to most Sony sound bar and multi speaker home theater systems.

I don't see a subwoofer out port on the x900a.
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Hi Guys :

I absolutely can not believe what I am reading on the AVS forum. You are saying that the Sony onboard TV speakers are anyway near the sound of a middle to high end quality 5.1 system. There are thousands of members of this forum who I am sure disagree with you, I think we are getting a little bit carried away here.

These Sony speakers are good for what they are. Put those behind a curtain with a decent 5.1 system and A & B them. We are not talking about a slight or suttle difference here.

Come on guys. did we waste thousands of dollars here on speakers.


Again I am not putting down the Sony TV speakers and anyone who wants to just use them.

How can we be so critical about video and not be the same about audio. especially audio. This is the Audio Video Forum.

I quess one more time to each his own. Doesn,t anyone here agree with me ?

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I tried to say the exact same thing a few weeks back but since I have thought about going over to a high-end receiver forum and saying their paired TVs are not up to the video standard they set for their audio. Probably wouldn't go well.

Not all videophiles are audiophiles and vice-versa. And some here on AVS are just rich wink.gif. I like good fidelity audio and most of my friends and families sound systems aren't very good, but I am way pickier (borderline insane?) about PQ.

There is also a huge aesthetic difference between a large nice looking TV and speakers or wires and many have to pass their decorating decisions by someone who might be just as happy going to Walmart and picking up a Sceptre.

For me it's about the total immersive experience and I haven't used stereo off the TV or otherwise in 15 years when I first went 5.1. Now I'm at 8.1 front heights Klipsch reference and a 1k receiver and even I think it's getting pretty ridiculous myself. smile.gif This TV is much higher end in its respective component category than my sound system.

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norm, try to relax. You keep saying "to each his own" and then go on about how superior 5.1 is; that's not the point of that phrase. biggrin.gif

Look, no-one's saying that it does actually sound better or more surroundy or whatever than a "middle to high end quality 5.1 system". But what it DOES do is sound fantastic for what it is - it's just speakers in a TV! - and given how some people's lives don't revolve around 5.1 sound it's a superb substitute with none of the clutter and mess of a conventional 5.1 system.

I myself have damaged hearing owing to my surround sound escapades, so I'm starting to dial it back simply because I can't get the full benefit any more. I changed from 7.1 to 5.1, and then swapped out my chunky monkey speakers for some small satellites and a sub so I still have some sort of 5.1 system.

And besides, this is a specific thread for talking about this TV, so why shouldn't we discuss all aspects of it? The cracking sound is one of the reasons why I bought it. As flinch said, it's the equivalent of one of us going into the audiophile threads and waffling on about the lame TVs that those guys may/may not have. (Reminds me of a certain laserdisc enthusiast who pops up on various forums, he's got actual cinema Dolby processors and giant JBL speakers hooked up to a 28" CRT, I **** you not.)
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Hi Guys :

I absolutely can not believe what I am reading on the AVS forum. You are saying that the Sony onboard TV speakers are anyway near the sound of a middle to high end quality 5.1 system. There are thousands of members of this forum who I am sure disagree with you, I think we are getting a little bit carried away here.

These Sony speakers are good for what they are. Put those behind a curtain with a decent 5.1 system and A & B them. We are not talking about a slight or suttle difference here.

Come on guys. did we waste thousands of dollars here on speakers.


Again I am not putting down the Sony TV speakers and anyone who wants to just use them.

How can we be so critical about video and not be the same about audio. especially audio. This is the Audio Video Forum.

I quess one more time to each his own. Doesn,t anyone here agree with me ?

LOL

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George Lucas said that "Sound is 50 percent of the movie‑going experience, and I've always believed audiences are moved and excited by what they hear in my movies at least as much as by what they see.” I guess it also depends on what equipment they are comparing it too. I have spent about as much on my sound system as I have on my TV. I use the TV speakers when my family is sleeping or when I am only powering up the TV for a brief period (e.g. checking out the Super Bit setting) . I have a MUCH lesser system in another room with a 50" flat panel and a surround system and I wish it had the X900A speakers smile.gif.
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For what its worth, my wife would be very happy to see the speakers removed from the walls, the mini-towers gone, etc. leaving only the X900A and its speakers. Makes the X850A more appealing to me ... smile.gif

And the quote for George Lucas is probably misquoted horribly over and over lol.
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Ironic that I stopped listening to both stereo AND George Lucas about 15 years ago. wink.gif

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Ironic that I stopped listening to both stereo AND George Lucas about 15 years ago. wink.gif

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I tried to say the exact same thing a few weeks back but since I have thought about going over to a high-end receiver forum and saying their paired TVs are not up to the video standard they set for their audio. Probably wouldn't go well.

Not all videophiles are audiophiles and vice-versa. And some here on AVS are just rich wink.gif. I like good fidelity audio and most of my friends and families sound systems aren't very good, but I am way pickier (borderline insane?) about PQ.
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There is also a huge aesthetic difference between a large nice looking TV and speakers or wires and many have to pass their decorating decisions by someone who might be just as happy going to Walmart and picking up a Sceptre.

For me it's about the total immersive experience and I haven't used stereo off the TV or otherwise in 15 years when I first went 5.1. Now I'm at 8.1 front heights Klipsch reference and a 1k receiver and even I think it's getting pretty ridiculous myself. smile.gif This TV is much higher end in its respective component category than my sound system.

Hi Flinchn :

Most if not all of my friends including my adult children do not have anything but a TV in their house and the TV is of low to mid quality at that. They do not even know what 4K is. I on the other hand have a great deal of money and time tied up in my audio video equipment especially audio. My speakers are outstanding ( At least my opinion ) I have a 3.1 system with an old McIntosh tube amp with Focal speakers and a 7.1 all Focal speakers in my home theater. Focal used to be JM Labs a French speaker company.

I have been an audiophile for about 40 years in fact used to own a store called Auidio Video Workshop back in the 70,s and one of video products were Sony Tv,s along with thorens, Marantz Etc Etc,

I don't smoke or drink but audio and video gear is my hobby and enjoyment.

have to run talk to you later.

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Well I smoke and when i do miraculously everything sounds and looks better. Cheap upgrade.
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Worked in the recording industry and as a sound engineer at network TV in NY for my entire career, since age 22.

Speakers bigger than a refrigerator, consoles 15' long, amps that rumble the building to the ground.

Home theater system from 1975 (my first apartment) made every neighbor miserable.

Bought the 900, removed the amps, the speakers, (annexed somewhere else) and am fine and dandy with the less is best approach.



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