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See that samsung are offering a free hard drive loaded with 4k? movies and docos

http://vp.samsungrebate.com/
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See that samsung are offering a free hard drive loaded with 4k? movies and docos

http://vp.samsungrebate.com/

Night at the Museum and Gi Joe... what a steal...
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Um, because this is the thread about the 2013 X9 series? .

Fair enough, but if I was unhappy with my 55" 900A, I'd at least chatter about upgrading to the 950, rather than down grading to the 850. However Lee answered my real question; I'll have to start lurking over on that board…

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Oops! I take it back. That link Lee put up is for the 900 B, I'm feeling I am missing a 950 forum that must be out there. On the other hand I'l be moving soon so getting an even bigger TV is not something I need to waste time day dreaming about...
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Not at all. The sub is typically used for < "something" with the something be the lowest the "main speakers" can handle.

I was wrong to say the TV can't do anything below 200.

The TV can make useful sound to perhaps 80, and your sub will surely blend with it very well.

I'm downsizing and use the TV alone; except for the sub. I use one of these $300 8" powered subs (EVO8), and my ears and my spectrum analyzer say it matches the TV very well, with the crossover set very low (typically 50 HZ). If you want pant leg vibrating power, you'll need to spend a lot more, but if you want great sound while watching TV and much more than good enough to listen to music...

http://www.episodespeakers.com/product/category/5/subwoofers

YOu can connect the SUB to the TV if you like. If you have speakers connected to the AVR it would make sense to connect the sub to the AVR and fiddle all the settings there.



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For everyone worried about HEVC / h.265 codecs not being available on the x900a series tv's I would say stop worrying. Here's why:  The h.265 standard not only applies to 4k but will also help Netflix and others stream 1080p at half the current bitrate being used.  Just about every blu-ray player with apps and apple tv units in the future should include the codecs going forward for the simple fact that whether you're viewing 8k, 4k or 1080p content, the HEVC codecs will stream at a more efficient rate. And unless I'm mistaken, the current blu-ray players and apple tv units all have the hardware and codecs currently built-in them to stream h.264.  If h.265 will help reduce bandwidth for both 1080p and 4k it would only make sense to use the more efficient method universally going forward.  Granted it is the new accepted choice over google's vp9 of course. I also don't think it would be worth it to purchase the FMP-X5 or the FMP-X10 for just 4k Netflix unless of course you want to view Native 4k content available only right now through Sony.  I got my FMP-X1 (the 1st gen sony media player) for free through the current offer when you buy any 65" Sony 4k.  I feel in time the lack of having the codecs in the x900A Sony TV itself won't be an issue as every streaming device will need to have HEVC codecs going forward. Here is the article that steered me to this conclusion.  

 

 

http://www.tested.com/tech/web/453188-what-you-should-know-about-h265-video/

 

 

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4k blu ray discs have been approved and are supposed to be in production.  The 4k revolution has begun and it will be televised. (insert dramatic music)

 

http://www.whathifi.com/news/4k-blu-ray-discs-will-exist

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See that samsung are offering a free hard drive loaded with 4k? movies and docos

http://vp.samsungrebate.com/

And guess what? Of those five movies, only two were actually finished at 4K: Museum and Wolverine. The other three were finished at 2K (and most movies still are). Way to go Samsung!

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Fair enough, but if I was unhappy with my 55" 900A, I'd at least chatter about upgrading to the 950, rather than down grading to the 850. However Lee answered my real question; I'll have to start lurking over on that board…

:-)

Oops! I take it back. That link Lee put up is for the 900 B, I'm feeling I am missing a 950 forum that must be out there. On the other hand I'l be moving soon so getting an even bigger TV is not something I need to waste time day dreaming about...

Who's unhappy with the what now? I love my 55, in spite of its shortcomings. What I'm pissed about is Sony leaving this HDCP 2.2 issue until a year down the line (minimum) for us po' boys outside the US. Maybe they were always intending to address it only when copy-protected 4K content actually became available to us, I dunno. But SUK have been very quiet on the issue so far.
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Isn't that what a PS4 costs? I'd imagine we're looking at about $399 US as well... *sigh*

 

Yup. I've got a mate at Sony Europe and I asked him if/when we might see a PS4 upgrade with this stuff built-in, 'not in the next 12mths' was his answer. I was really up for getting this bit of kit, but the fact that a) the 4K download service isn't coming, b) there's no hard drive, and c) they're still on the fence about VP9 makes me not want to bother. 

 

I'm luck, I got my 55" A series model at a 40% discount of the RRP, so I've still got an awesome TV for a great price - I'm just not really up for spunking another three hundred notes to watch SOME content. 

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Little bit of (sadistic) good news for the early adopters. Cnet reviewed the 850B and apparently the Active 3d is pretty bad and the extended dynamic range does not offer a lot of improvement. So picture quality wise we should still be on the top of the Sony pyramid.

http://www.cnet.com/products/sony-kdl-70w850b/
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Little bit of (sadistic) good news for the early adopters. Cnet reviewed the 850B and apparently the Active 3d is pretty bad and the extended dynamic range does not offer a lot of improvement. So picture quality wise we should still be on the top of the Sony pyramid.

http://www.cnet.com/products/sony-kdl-70w850b/

The review is of the W850B 1080p TV. It's not the X850B 4K TV.
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Active 3D is terrible on a Sony TV? Well, I didn't see that coming. [/sarcasm]

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Interesting bit about the Motionflow in that review though, specifically True Cinema. I've used various test patterns and whatnot on my X9 and I simply can't see a difference between True Cinema and Motionflow off with 24p content. Apparently True Cinema is a 4:4 frame repetition system, and that's as may be, but it doesn't do a damned thing for improving the temporal resolution of 24p material.

HOWEVER....I was watching something the other day, an AVCHD 720p24 rip output at 1080p60 (because my Panny doesn't do proper 24p AVCHD playback) and with Motionflow off it juddered quite noticeably, but with the True Cinema on it restored a natural film-like cadence. I then tested it with a legit Blu-ray output at 60p (turned off 24p output in the player) and the result was the same: smoother 24p-like motion with it on, obvious juddering with it set to off. I compared some motion resolution tests between true 24p and True Motion/60p and I couldn't actually tell them apart!

So, I think True Cinema is for restoring the proper cadence to 24p material presented at 60fps. It's not a massively important feature, granted, but it's great for movies on NTSC DVD because it removes the 60Hz judder. Old 1080i60 Blu-rays would also benefit (like the Image release of Short Circuit).
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Does anyone know how many 900A's have been sold to consumers in the US?
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I'm still not sure about this set. It was my ideal set. The passive 3d. However I again went to the store to see the Sharp 80 "UQ 2k tv. The 10 bit panel is freaking amazing. It looks 4k. My question is about the x900a brightness. I actually don't mind the scorching sun look. Can the x900a get very bright?

I've waited for the price to hit about 3500.

But now I've seen the new q+ sharp 80". For 4000. So 500 more buys me much more real estate.

In your honest opinion 65 x900 owners. In my position. If you know the sets.

Which would you get? Honestly?
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The X900, of course. Did you expect a different answer in this thread?
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x900; you're asking this question in a Sony thread, and expecting a different answer?
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As I reported in an earlier post, if you configure the X1 to output sound from the TV, it switches to stereo mode, and I don't see a way to change this behavior. If you set your AVR to PLII Cinema, the sound is actually pretty good, and does not suffer from dropouts. If you set the X1 output to HDMI2, and you have an HDMI cable from the AVR to the Display as well, then you won't get consistent audio on the AVR. Some users have reported that if you temporarily unplug the HDMI cable between the AVR and the Display, the audio issues go away. I find this an unacceptable solution, but you may want to try it.

As far as different settings for your DTV DVR vs. the Blu-ray player, there should be no requirement for different settings. If you want to experiment with the way I have my setup configured, then set the DTV DVR to output video in "Native" mode, and set the Denon AVR to upscale the DTV signal to 1080p. Then we will be comparing apples to apples. And the DTV image should be quite good when configured this way. Of course, a Blu-ray 1080p/24 movie is the best quality video available (other than true 4K from the X1), so you may still see some differences. But my philosophy has always been to avoid using settings to compensate for different input signal qualities--one setting should apply to all sources.

Thanks, I played around with my receiver settings for the 4K audio HDMI connection and when I changed it to PCM I suddenly got uninterrupted 5.1 surround ( My setup is only 5.1). According to my Receiver manual it is uncompressed. It does sound extremely good.smile.gif If others HDMI ports can be set to PCM it could be a good workaround. I do have some clouding on some solid dark screens. It's not noticeable in normal content viewing.

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Little bit of (sadistic) good news for the early adopters. Cnet reviewed the 850B and apparently the Active 3d is pretty bad and the extended dynamic range does not offer a lot of improvement. So picture quality wise we should still be on the top of the Sony pyramid.

http://www.cnet.com/products/sony-kdl-70w850b/

 

 

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The review is of the W850B 1080p TV. It's not the X850B 4K TV.

 

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I'm still not sure about this set. It was my ideal set. The passive 3d. However I again went to the store to see the Sharp 80 "UQ 2k tv. The 10 bit panel is freaking amazing. It looks 4k. My question is about the x900a brightness. I actually don't mind the scorching sun look. Can the x900a get very bright?

I've waited for the price to hit about 3500.

But now I've seen the new q+ sharp 80". For 4000. So 500 more buys me much more real estate.

In your honest opinion 65 x900 owners. In my position. If you know the sets.

Which would you get? Honestly?

 

I was looking at the two also.

 

As a matter of fact, one of the dealers on this forum - suggested that the 80" Q+ Sharp was a better deal.

 

But, I just can't get over the fact that it is a Sharp... (And didn't really like the two-tone bezel).

 

However, I said the same thing about Panasonic - before buying my 65 VT.

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I agree about it being a sharp. But They Purchased The Kuro tech. They put it in the UQ. Also the yellow pixel makes crazy color levels. Especially with the back light levels. Plus it plays 4k.
Has a 10 bit panel. Same resolution vertically as 4k. Almost same horizontally. I mean
I will get over the active 3d. It comes with 2 pairs so at least I have something.

But I'm thinking football.

Let's be honest sports on that 80".

The x900a is such a good set I'm still considering it over the Sharp. But make no mistake. That Sharp is a new level of at product by them.

And it is freaking gorgeous. So I'm still fighting which to get. Honestly. I am leaning towards the bigger screen. Just because of football.

But you gotta admit the x900a is still stunning to look at also.

Geez.........idk.
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I agree about it being a sharp. But They Purchased The Kuro tech. They put it in the UQ. Also the yellow pixel makes crazy color levels. Especially with the back light levels. Plus it plays 4k.
Has a 10 bit panel. Same resolution vertically as 4k. Almost same horizontally. I mean
I will get over the active 3d. It comes with 2 pairs so at least I have something.

But I'm thinking football.

Let's be honest sports on that 80".

The x900a is such a good set I'm still considering it over the Sharp. But make no mistake. That Sharp is a new level of at product by them.

And it is freaking gorgeous. So I'm still fighting which to get. Honestly. I am leaning towards the bigger screen. Just because of football.

But you gotta admit the x900a is still stunning to look at also.

Geez.........idk.

 

Wait for the 79" X900B to come out - and get the best of both worlds.

 

I have a feeling that its price will drop significantly...

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I Think The X900a with passive is the better deal at 3k. Again the only reason I am considering any other tv is the 80" beast has a comparable picture. 10 bit panel and super bright back light.

In this way of thinking I'm looking at just these 2 sets. Both represent AMAZING deals.
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I Think The X900a with passive is the better deal at 3k. Again the only reason I am considering any other tv is the 80" beast has a comparable picture. 10 bit panel and super bright back light.

In this way of thinking I'm looking at just these 2 sets. Both represent AMAZING deals.

 

Where are you getting a 65" X900A for 3K?

 

And, the 79" X900B is also passive...

 

It is also my understanding that there is nothing even out there yet that utilizes the 10 bit function of a 10 bit panel - and there won't be for some time...?

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x900a. let me tell you why.  It's like comparing a BMW to a Honda.  Sure you will get more bang for your buck in the Honda, but the difference in driving experience will be night and day.  The x900 is a 4k set! The 80" sharp is 1080p, at that size I would most certainly say x900a but in a 65", not a 55".  

 

At this point it seems like buying a 1080p tv at any size above 50" is investing in a sinking ship because at some point 4k will be the norm and it won't take that long for it to come around thanks to hevc and low bandwidth rates and the already massive transition towards streaming.  Also, 3d was a bust, so people might be thinking 4k will be a bust...  but 3d on a 4k tv is freakin spectacular, and of course so is Native 4k content.  

 

The question you have to ask yourself is, now that 1080p is the norm, would you even consider a standard definition set? Of course not! Once you get used to seeing more native 4k content, you won't even want to watch tv on your 1080p sets.  

 

Also, I hear the upscaling from 1080p to 4k is okay.  Nothing to brag about honestly.  The salespeople hype it up and all but it doesn't hold a candle to native 4k content which in time will be here. 

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x900a. let me tell you why.  It's like comparing a BMW to a Honda.  Sure you will get more bang for your buck in the Honda, but the difference in driving experience will be night and day.  The x900 is a 4k set! The 80" sharp is 1080p, at that size I would most certainly say x900a but in a 65", not a 55".  

 

At this point it seems like buying a 1080p tv at any size above 50" is investing in a sinking ship because at some point 4k will be the norm and it won't take that long for it to come around thanks to hevc and low bandwidth rates and the already massive transition towards streaming.  Also, 3d was a bust, so people might be thinking 4k will be a bust...  but 3d on a 4k tv is freakin spectacular, and of course so is Native 4k content.  

 

The question you have to ask yourself is, now that 1080p is the norm, would you even consider a standard definition set? Of course not! Once you get used to seeing more native 4k content, you won't even want to watch tv on your 1080p sets.  

 

Also, I hear the upscaling from 1080p to 4k is okay.  Nothing to brag about honestly.  The salespeople hype it up and all but it doesn't hold a candle to native 4k content which in time will be here. 

 

OK, you got a "few" things wrong...

 

The Sharp is not just a 1080p TV - it has Q+ - Google it :)

 

And, whatever you're "hearing" regarding the upscaling of 1080p to "4K" - is wrong!

 

However, I do agree that the XBR and Q+ are not in the same league...

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And guess what? Of those five movies, only two were actually finished at 4K: Museum and Wolverine. The other three were finished at 2K (and most movies still are). Way to go Samsung!
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And having seen 3 of the 5 in 3d on our set, I don't even care to have them in 4k.

Yes, I am saying I like 3d passive full HD better than 4k film atm.
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The review is of the W850B 1080p TV. It's not the X850B 4K TV.

Oh yeah I was definitely aware of that. What I was interested in was the implementation of the extended dynamic range and active 3D. 2 big changes in X900b. Now I am aware there could be a slight difference, but usually Sony implements these technologies the same accross the board.

So yeah on 2 counts out of 3 (built in HEVC support being the 3rd), or displays are equal to the 2014 900b.

Oh and btw, I may be wrong but 4k is just an increase in pixels in these sets, image enhancements wont change.
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Oh and btw, I may be wrong but 4k is just an increase in pixels in these sets, image enhancements wont change.

What do you mean by that?
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Thanks, I played around with my receiver settings for the 4K audio HDMI connection and when I changed it to PCM I suddenly got uninterrupted 5.1 surround ( My setup is only 5.1). According to my Receiver manual it is uncompressed. It does sound extremely good.smile.gif If others HDMI ports can be set to PCM it could be a good workaround. I do have some clouding on some solid dark screens. It's not noticeable in normal content viewing.

I wish this worked on my AVR, but no dice - audio drop outs every 3 sec.....still
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OK, you got a "few" things wrong...

 

The Sharp is not just a 1080p TV - it has Q+ - Google it :)

 

And, whatever you're "hearing" regarding the upscaling of 1080p to "4K" - is wrong!

 

However, I do agree that the XBR and Q+ are not in the same league...


I've seen the Sharp TV at Best buy, it looks amazing! No doubt, but when I asked the reps about it, they said to be honest, it's displaying the Sharp promo/demo video.  But when we view regular 1080p content it's not so great.  Those demo videos make pretty much all the sets look way better than they are because they're all digitally enhanced images.  Regular tv shows and movies don't have every frame digitally enhanced unless you're watching Avatar or something.  

In regards to the 1080p upscaling to 4k, I was talking about with Sony, not the sharp.  I watched a couple of blu ray movies at the Best Buy store (dark knight, hero) on the Sony xbr900a 65" upscaled to 4k and yeah they looked marginally better than 1080p but nothing close to Native 4k content which for the most part right now is only available thru the sony media player.  
 

A native 4k movie should be about 60-80gb while a 1080p blu ray around 20-30gb.  Upscaling works by creating what the pixels "should" be around the images.  Native content provides clear and concise data thus resulting in the sharpest images..  It's like when you upscaled a dvd to 1080 vs watching an actual blu ray.  The difference is pretty big.  

Upscaling isn't bad, in fact very necessary right now due to the lack of 4k content, and the Q+ is definitely a great option. 

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 Upscaling works by creating what the pixels "should" be around the images.  

This has been beaten to death on this thread, and you are welcome to do a search. The sony *4k* version of x-reality pro does a whole lot more than interpolation.
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