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AustinJerry's Avatar AustinJerry 09:52 PM 07-09-2014
We often have new owners post screen shots of their displays asking whether what they are showing is "normal" or "acceptable". In order for us to provide useful feedback, it would be helpful if these posters would choose one of several typical screen examples we can all relate to. I have attached screen shots of what I think are useful screens for new owners to take pictures of, and as examples of what I think "acceptable" quality levels are.



Spears&Munsil "0 % Pluge" (not sure why the vertical bars are not visible):



Typical Oppo background screen:



Typical X900 "No Signal" screen:



Black logo screen on Denon AVR:



Typical DirecTV screen saver (blurred because it is in motion):



100% white full screen test:



100% white window test:



flinchn's Avatar flinchn 09:54 PM 07-09-2014
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post
We often have new owners post screen shots of their displays asking whether what they are showing is "normal" or "acceptable". In order for us to provide useful feedback, it would be helpful if these posters would choose one of several typical screen examples we can all relate to. I have attached screen shots of what I think are useful screens for new owners to take pictures of, and as examples of what I think "acceptable"

100% white window test:


Yeah. Just looking at your white box on the bottom tells me you don't have a green tint on your high end like I do - with the same settings. I'm not sure what is going on with your 100% white full screen? Why so faded out? Hmmm.

Everything but the x1 goes through my AVR. Perhaps I need to investigate its default video processing. I know we both have a Darblet.


Your "no signal" has also improved significantly since purchase?
AustinJerry's Avatar AustinJerry 10:15 PM 07-09-2014
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Yeah. Just looking at your white box on the bottom tells me you don't have a green tint on your high end like I do - with the same settings. I'm not sure what is going on with your 100% white full screen? Why so faded out? Hmmm.

Everything but the x1 goes through my AVR. Perhaps I need to investigate its default video processing. I know we both have a Darblet.


Your "no signal" has also improved significantly since purchase?
Not sure what you mean by "faded out". If you think something is wrong, perhaps it is the camera. I have never noticed any green tint on any of my test patterns.

And I don't really think anything has improved over time with the PQ. I'm not sure that LCD technology improves over time.
Vegas oled's Avatar Vegas oled 10:22 PM 07-09-2014
If you want to check uniformity you need to check grey scale at 5, 10 and 20 IRE. Anything ugly will show there. D-Nice has a set of slides you can down load.
flinchn's Avatar flinchn 10:22 PM 07-09-2014
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Not sure what you mean by "faded out". If you think something is wrong, perhaps it is the camera. I have never noticed any green tint on any of my test patterns.

And I don't really think anything has improved over time with the PQ. I'm not sure that LCD technology improves over time.
A full white screen should look like your window, no? I've seen plasmas fade full screen like that due to eco/ABL but not my set. If no one else sees the difference between your second to last and last pics then my eyes are just borked so bad as to give up completely.


I will say even my iPhone 5s camera cannot accurately reflect some of the nuance I want to share here sometimes - camera just isn't good enough I suppose.

My set looked a lot more like some of the people coming in and asking if the no signal screen is acceptable and now it looks a lot more like the picture you have above, that's all.
But I can't share what it looks like because the camera, again, messes with the image.
Cuadros86 10:29 PM 07-09-2014
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We often have new owners post screen shots of their displays asking whether what they are showing is "normal" or "acceptable". In order for us to provide useful feedback, it would be helpful if these posters would choose one of several typical screen examples we can all relate to. I have attached screen shots of what I think are useful screens for new owners to take pictures of, and as examples of what I think "acceptable" quality levels are.

Spears&Munsil "0 % Pluge" (not sure why the vertical bars are not visible):



Typical Oppo background screen:



Typical X900 "No Signal" screen:



Black logo screen on Denon AVR:



Typical DirecTV screen saver (blurred because it is in motion):



100% white full screen test:



100% white window test:

Thanks for this post man, very helpful. I have placed a call to Sony. Worse case scenario, they send me a brand new panel and I keep switching it out until I find THE ONE. He said since it's discontinued, I could get the 900B. Not crossing my fingers but we'll see. I will keep you all posted. My OCD side is coming out, taking advantage of the warranty since that's what it's there for.
scottman's Avatar scottman 02:00 AM 07-10-2014
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I'm not sure what is going on with your 100% white full screen? Why so faded out? Hmmm.
I'm seeing some slight dark patches along some edges and random areas, very similar to my set and probably all of these. Under different lighting some here would probably call it clouding. And a possible stuck pixel in the bottom of the top left quadrant when fully enlarged on the screen when you reply to a post, but probably just some other artifact of the image since it looks too big to be just one.
flinchn's Avatar flinchn 06:21 AM 07-10-2014
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I'm seeing some slight dark patches along some edges and random areas, very similar to my set and probably all of these. Under different lighting some here would probably call it clouding. And a possible stuck pixel in the bottom of the top left quadrant when fully enlarged on the screen when you reply to a post, but probably just some other artifact of the image since it looks too big to be just one.
It's possible it's the camera. I tried to take a picture with my iPhone on 100% and it was completely uniform pure white but it introduced wavy lines (as it tried to find a "face" to focus on?). Bleh. It's for selfies lol

That said, I perceive a green push on the 100% white screen he posted. So here we are.

I've been around this thread long enough now to know that anyone who doesn't fall in line or kiss ass here is ignored, marginalized or condescended to by a few other members.

In just the last week or so I've been laughed at for a fool because I use a Darblet, power center and bias lighting. We all know the 55" has a different panel (due to 3d tests) yet we all pretend our shared experiences are somehow relevant. I can't seem to convince anyone my panel does not look correct (or 'better') using the recommended settings and how long have I been banging that drum? At least half a year when I became displeased with my own WARM2 calibration.

So I'm just not going to bother anymore. Last time, a member sent me a PM and asked me to stay which was nice but I've learned all I can learn and tried to help others. I'm not perfect and my tone perhaps came off as argumentative but a lot of it was excitement. I've been on AVS for almost decade and it was nice to be excited about a costly purchase instead of being mired in a component thread bitching about defects.
AustinJerry's Avatar AustinJerry 06:32 AM 07-10-2014
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It's possible it's the camera. I tried to take a picture with my iPhone on 100% and it was completely uniform pure white but it introduced wavy lines (as it tried to find a "face" to focus on?). Bleh. It's for selfies lol

That said, I perceive a green push on the 100% white screen he posted. So here we are.

I've been around this thread long enough now to know that anyone who doesn't fall in line or kiss ass here is ignored, marginalized or condescended to by a few other members.

In just the last week or so I've been laughed at for a fool because I use a Darblet, power center and bias lighting. We all know the 55" has a different panel (due to 3d tests) yet we all pretend our shared experiences are somehow relevant. I can't seem to convince anyone my panel does not look correct (or 'better') using the recommended settings and how long have I been banging that drum? At least half a year when I became displeased with my own WARM2 calibration.

So I'm just not going to bother anymore. Last time, a member sent me a PM and asked me to stay which was nice but I've learned all I can learn and tried to help others. I'm not perfect and my tone perhaps came off as argumentative but a lot of it was excitement. I've been on AVS for almost decade and it was nice to be excited about a costly purchase instead of being mired in a component thread bitching about defects.
Well, I would never call you a fool for having a Darblet, power conditioner, or bias lighting, since I have all three myself.

As for the differences between the two images I posted, now I understand. I think the differences are due to my inexperience in finding the correct settings for my camera. In real life, the brightness of both images looks quite close. My camera just doesn't seem to capture the subtleties I am trying to convey.
LeeSoFl's Avatar LeeSoFl 07:01 AM 07-10-2014
The three of us can always find solace in our X1 audio issues.
Geoff D's Avatar Geoff D 07:53 AM 07-10-2014
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One other question, I notice fine horizontal lines on my panel. Especially on, text or subtitles/logos. Is this normal? Up close not so much. Notice a little more on 3d.
Is yours the 55"? The lines are a side-effect of the half-res 3D FPR, they're there on every 55 X9A. Some people see them, some don't, but from a decent viewing distance (say, 9 feet) they're invisible, and even at closer distances I hardly notice them anyway, I've just got used it.

BTW there's nothing wrong with Jerry's photos, or indeed his TV. Having a bright object against a dark background will always enhance the contrast of said bright object when taking a photo (see also the Oppo logo), unlike the 100% field which is being taken at a darker exposure because it's so bright to begin with.
flinchn's Avatar flinchn 08:16 AM 07-10-2014
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The three of us can always find solace in our X1 audio issues.
Spent an hour with tier2 just now. It is with "engineering" Only proven workaround is to pop the cable out between your AVR and TV. As I have been doing...

I strongly reiterated every single facet of the issue discussed amongst ourselves. I discussed my concern at how long it had apparently been with engineering. I asked to be notified when the bug was fixed in a software upgrade. That's that, then.
Shape's Avatar Shape 08:17 AM 07-10-2014
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Say you purchase a bad set with banding and exchange it. Next you price match a camera. Then you realize your second $5,000 display is worse than your 1st. If you have been flagged for the previous return and price match you cannot exhange your bad TV because you have been put on 90 day no returns or exchanges. If they sell you 3 bad displays in a roll they should exchange every one of them.
That was not my experience at all with Best Buy. They went out of their way to make sure I was happy, period. They price matched it 3 or 4 times for me, knocking it down by $1200, and exchanged it 3 times.
Vegas oled's Avatar Vegas oled 08:25 AM 07-10-2014
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That was not my experience at all with Best Buy. They went out of their way to make sure I was happy, period. They price matched it 3 or 4 times for me, knocking it down by $1200, and exchanged it 3 times.
You were lucky. If you were unlucky they would have flagged your account and you never would have been able to do the 3rd exchange. I would have no problem if they flagged it for returns but exchanges, that's why I would never make a large purchase at BB.
flinchn's Avatar flinchn 10:39 AM 07-10-2014
I suspect no one will believe me but last night on my Oppo103 I came across something very interesting. I was pulling up test patterns in S&M2 and took a look at the 3d tests for the first time. Don't know why I hadn't until then.

Well I always wondered why I see tons of depth with 3d Blurays but next to no "before the window" or popout effects.

I know films are generally geared for depth "beyond the window" but still. Something was off. And the first 3d test confirmed it. The +1 and 0 images showed appropriate depth between them. But there was no discernable difference between -1 and 0.

This upset me. I have enjoyed all of my 3d titles greatly and still have plenty to go since my buying spree. I couldn't imagine what I had been missing with this.

I fixed it, tho. By turning off Deep Color (I had it on 36bit) on both the Oppo and my Onkyo 818 (although it was really the former that I noticed fixed it) all of the -1 images suddenly popped out of the screen discernibly. Now it wasn't like they were floating in front of my face and I could reach out and grab them, but definitely beyond the frame.

I suspect, but have not proven, that it is the Darblet that isn't playing well with deep color and a 3d signal. So I'm not sure how applicable this is to anyone else. But since it is clearly fixed on some test patterns instead of just my own eyeballs I figured I'd share it.

Lots to watch now. Adios.
AustinJerry's Avatar AustinJerry 11:38 AM 07-10-2014
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I suspect no one will believe me but last night on my Oppo103 I came across something very interesting. I was pulling up test patterns in S&M2 and took a look at the 3d tests for the first time. Don't know why I hadn't until then.

Well I always wondered why I see tons of depth with 3d Blurays but next to no "before the window" or popout effects.

I know films are generally geared for depth "beyond the window" but still. Something was off. And the first 3d test confirmed it. The +1 and 0 images showed appropriate depth between them. But there was no discernable difference between -1 and 0.

This upset me. I have enjoyed all of my 3d titles greatly and still have plenty to go since my buying spree. I couldn't imagine what I had been missing with this.

I fixed it, tho. By turning off Deep Color (I had it on 36bit) on both the Oppo and my Onkyo 818 (although it was really the former that I noticed fixed it) all of the -1 images suddenly popped out of the screen discernibly. Now it wasn't like they were floating in front of my face and I could reach out and grab them, but definitely beyond the frame.

I suspect, but have not proven, that it is the Darblet that isn't playing well with deep color and a 3d signal. So I'm not sure how applicable this is to anyone else. But since it is clearly fixed on some test patterns instead of just my own eyeballs I figured I'd share it.

Lots to watch now. Adios.
I am looking at the S&M tests, trying to duplicate what you observed. My Deep Color was set to off. I toggled it between off and 36-bit, observed several of the tests (polarity check, depth steps positive and negative), but was unable to see a difference.

I also have my AVR connected to the display using two HDMI cables. One signal path has the Darblet, and one doesn't, which allows me to test the effect the Darblet has on the signal. Switching back and forth between the two paths also showed no difference in the 3D tests.

Perhaps I am not duplicating your tests. Regardless, it is interesting that you discovered this, and that you now see improvements.
cembros's Avatar cembros 12:58 PM 07-10-2014
Hey Austin, I used your recomrmded settings and they're great, thank you. Do you have recomrmded settings for 3d?
flinchn's Avatar flinchn 01:12 PM 07-10-2014
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I am looking at the S&M tests, trying to duplicate what you observed. My Deep Color was set to off. I toggled it between off and 36-bit, observed several of the tests (polarity check, depth steps positive and negative), but was unable to see a difference.

I also have my AVR connected to the display using two HDMI cables. One signal path has the Darblet, and one doesn't, which allows me to test the effect the Darblet has on the signal. Switching back and forth between the two paths also showed no difference in the 3D tests.

Perhaps I am not duplicating your tests. Regardless, it is interesting that you discovered this, and that you now see improvements.
Only other thing I can think of is I simultaneously went from YUV 4:4:4 or whatever that is to Auto

I've seen other reports that certain chains have trouble passing deep color through the Darblet but who knows.
scottman's Avatar scottman 02:48 PM 07-10-2014
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That was not my experience at all with Best Buy. They went out of their way to make sure I was happy, period. They price matched it 3 or 4 times for me, knocking it down by $1200, and exchanged it 3 times.
My experience has been pretty bad with bestbuy, but it is based on which associate you get. Between me and someone else, at least twice, they had failed to actually do a valid price match on their own price after the initial call-in, claiming no record. However, they eventually did it after repeated calling in. But multiple agents had said their policy is only to pricematch competitors before the purchase, and then only bestbuy itself after the purchase and only one time at that. So you got lucky.

They also failed to place the order for a new set that someone was doing an exchange of 55 to 65, so they missed the originally promised delivery date, but that eventually got rescheduled and done.

However, on my recent call for an exchange of my 65 over a stuck pixel, the guy said he set up the delivery for a certain date, so I assumed it was done. I didn't get any email confirmation so I called in 2 days later asking about it, and of course, it never got ordered. She said she saw some notes about it at least but they were not done well and never placed. But now they are out of stock for delivery in my area, so I am out of luck unless I want to pick one up myself from an out of the way bestbuy that still has store stock. I might have to settle with the stuck pixel, but I went 2 weeks without even seeing it until I went up close on a light ps3 background, so maybe it's better after all instead of chancing on a replacement with worse banding or flashlighting.

In my experience, the older sounding ladies do well, but the younger redneck-ish sounding guys and the ghetto sounding girls never do anything they say they do over the phone and will twist the policy to whatever makes them do less work. It's like bestbuy hires the GED flunkouts to man the phones. So the lesson is to try to get whatever proof that you can whenever you ask them to do something.
hugabone's Avatar hugabone 03:19 PM 07-10-2014
Just received my 65X900a, played Frozen 3D and a few other 3d movies and they looks fantastic. Watched a few other videos and they look great, my only problem is the dim picture. I know the 2014 "B" series has a brighter picture but when I compare this to my Sharp 60LE847U it just seem to be little vibrancy to the picture. I got this TV mainly for the 4K and the Passive 3D, haven't seen any 4K at home but the 3D is great. I would assume there wont be much pop to the picture.
AustinJerry's Avatar AustinJerry 03:28 PM 07-10-2014
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Hey Austin, I used your recomrmded settings and they're great, thank you. Do you have recomrmded settings for 3d?
I would raise Backlight to Max, and Picture to at least 90. All other settings can stay the same
scottman's Avatar scottman 03:39 PM 07-10-2014
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Just received my 65X900a, played Frozen 3D and a few other 3d movies and they looks fantastic. Watched a few other videos and they look great, my only problem is the dim picture. I know the 2014 "B" series has a brighter picture but when I compare this to my Sharp 60LE847U it just seem to be little vibrancy to the picture. I got this TV mainly for the 4K and the Passive 3D, haven't seen any 4K at home but the 3D is great. I would assume there wont be much pop to the picture.
Play around with the scene select and other settings (I assume you know about backlight). And make sure you turn off the eco light sensor in the general settings from the home menu. Vivid will probably not be desirable without some tweaking, but standard might add a little more pop compared to cinema or default custom. Try not to compare this directly to another brighter lcd set since it can't compete, but your eyes will either adjust or you will realize your other sets are too bright to begin with.
hugabone's Avatar hugabone 03:53 PM 07-10-2014
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Play around with the scene select and other settings (I assume you know about backlight). And make sure you turn off the eco light sensor in the general settings from the home menu. Vivid will probably not be desirable without some tweaking, but standard might add a little more pop compared to cinema or default custom. Try not to compare this directly to another brighter lcd set since it can't compete, but your eyes will either adjust or you will realize your other sets are too bright to begin with.

Thanks, I thought I turned off ECO but it was another setting similar to that . After I turned ECO off it made a huge difference. This set is in a light control bedroom so a lot of brightness isnt needed :-) but the damn picture was way too dim with ECO turned on. Now off to calibrating the picture.
solidFire501's Avatar solidFire501 03:55 PM 07-10-2014
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I would raise Backlight to Max, and Picture to at least 90. All other settings can stay the same
Is it possible for the set to "remember" my preference when playing 3d content and automatically switch back and forth on settings based on whether I am in 2d or 3d mode? Or would I have to manually tweak those two settings every time I flipped between 3d and 2d?
Mattopotamus's Avatar Mattopotamus 03:59 PM 07-10-2014
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Is it possible for the set to "remember" my preference when playing 3d content and automatically switch back and forth on settings based on whether I am in 2d or 3d mode? Or would I have to manually tweak those two settings every time I flipped between 3d and 2d?
That is exactly what it does. The settings for 3D and 2D are stored differently.
Chise's Avatar Chise 04:01 PM 07-10-2014
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It's possible it's the camera. I tried to take a picture with my iPhone on 100% and it was completely uniform pure white but it introduced wavy lines (as it tried to find a "face" to focus on?). Bleh. It's for selfies lol

That said, I perceive a green push on the 100% white screen he posted. So here we are.

I've been around this thread long enough now to know that anyone who doesn't fall in line or kiss ass here is ignored, marginalized or condescended to by a few other members.

In just the last week or so I've been laughed at for a fool because I use a Darblet, power center and bias lighting. We all know the 55" has a different panel (due to 3d tests) yet we all pretend our shared experiences are somehow relevant. I can't seem to convince anyone my panel does not look correct (or 'better') using the recommended settings and how long have I been banging that drum? At least half a year when I became displeased with my own WARM2 calibration.

So I'm just not going to bother anymore. Last time, a member sent me a PM and asked me to stay which was nice but I've learned all I can learn and tried to help others. I'm not perfect and my tone perhaps came off as argumentative but a lot of it was excitement. I've been on AVS for almost decade and it was nice to be excited about a costly purchase instead of being mired in a component thread bitching about defects.
This what happens when you become a early adopter.
AustinJerry's Avatar AustinJerry 04:11 PM 07-10-2014
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That is exactly what it does. The settings for 3D and 2D are stored differently.
I believe the question was whether invoking a 3D source will automatically switch to different 3D picture settings, and the answer is no. You can store 3D settings in a different Picture Mode, e.g. Cinema1 vs. Cinema2, but you will need to select one or the other manually.
Mattopotamus's Avatar Mattopotamus 04:13 PM 07-10-2014
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I believe the question was whether invoking a 3D source will automatically switch to different 3D picture settings, and the answer is no. You can store 3D settings in a different Picture Mode, e.g. Cinema1 vs. Cinema2, but you will need to select one or the other manually.
I may be confused. When I watch a 3D movie the settings are slightly different than my 2D sources. For example, a backlight setting of max. I do not have to change that. It stays at max for 3D and at 6 for 2D.
flinchn's Avatar flinchn 04:19 PM 07-10-2014
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I am looking at the S&M tests, trying to duplicate what you observed. My Deep Color was set to off. I toggled it between off and 36-bit, observed several of the tests (polarity check, depth steps positive and negative), but was unable to see a difference.

I also have my AVR connected to the display using two HDMI cables. One signal path has the Darblet, and one doesn't, which allows me to test the effect the Darblet has on the signal. Switching back and forth between the two paths also showed no difference in the 3D tests.

Perhaps I am not duplicating your tests. Regardless, it is interesting that you discovered this, and that you now see improvements.
In any case if anyone, and I mean anyone, finds a way/setting to achieve greater separation between the +1,0,-1 3d calibration on Spears and Munseill (sp) v2 then let me know. I can't think of anything I am more interested in moving forward. Could be glasses, could be a scene select, could be a standalone video processor- I don't care. I will eat the info up.

Perhaps it is impossible - but I believe anything is possible.
cembros's Avatar cembros 04:24 PM 07-10-2014
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I would raise Backlight to Max, and Picture to at least 90. All other settings can stay the same
Great, thanks.
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