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Why would settings look better for one type of content vs. another?
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Why would settings look better for one type of content vs. another?
Lots of people like the vivid look for sports.
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I guess. Preference is preference, and I would never discourage anyone. But I am on record here advocating that there is one "correct" group of settings that should be optimal for any content.
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I guess. Preference is preference, and I would never discourage anyone. But I am on record here advocating that there is one "correct" group of settings that should be optimal for any content.
Would there be different settings depending on the amount of ambient light, like day and night settings? I use your Cinema 2 settings except have the backlight on max during the day and for 3D. For dark or almost dark I use (your) Cinema 1 settings. Still looking for the optimal 3D settings though, as well as the best settings in the 3D adjustment menu.

My kid prefers gaming mode when using the Xbox One.
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But I highly, highly! doubt HDCP 2.2 will be a requirement or necessary for 4K Blu-ray in the near future. To many 4K sets on the market without it already. The only thing you'll need to worry about in the next couple of years as far as 4K compatability goes is HDMI 2.0. ..The biggest area of general concern with HDMI 2.0 is in people's AVR's. Either folks are going to have to upgrade, or hope the manufacturer had some foresight and will be able to update via a firmware patch..

Edit : Just to be more specific, Sony is requiring it (HDCP) for use with their players. It's not an industry wide standard that's been adopted in the display industry. All about content control...

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I highly, highly! think that HDCP 2.2 will be the de facto content protection for commercial 4K content. Let's be clear: it's NOT a Sony invention, it's merely the latest version of the HDCP system which has been around for ages and which was adopted by EVERYONE who wished to used licensed HDMI hardware. Sony are using 2.2 because they've been first with a genuine 4K player, that's all. And it is actually in every 4K TV AFAIK, it's literally only the very first run of Sony sets (which were the first 4K TVs on the market out of ANY manufacturer, don't forget) which needed the upgrade.

Pioneer and other receiver manufacturers aren't using it, granted, their rationale being that A) there's no HDCP 2.2 gear aside from Sony's X series player and B) there's a chronic lack of HDMI chips which combines full-bandwidth HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2. So in the 18-months/2 years which it'll (hopefully) take 4K Blu-ray to come to market, they'll get some folks buying this gear, and if/when 4K Blu-ray comes out and needs HDCP 2.2, they'll say "you got two years out of your amp, what are you complaining about?"

edit: here's what Movielabs - the R&D company set up by Disney, Paramount, Twentieth Century Fox, Sony Pictures, Universal and Warner Bros - recommend for 4K distribution, and HDCP 2.2 is a key component: http://copyrightandtechnology.com/20...nt-protection/

There's also a PDF of their recommendations here (check page 4): http://movielabs.com/ngvideo/MovieLa...ion%20v1.0.pdf
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Still, if the 4K BD hardware implements the dual HDMI out like the X series players, then needing HDCP 2.2 in the amp would be irrelevant and so would 4K passthrough, come to think of it, because you'd be bypassing the amp with its lovely 18 Gb/s HDMI chips anyway...
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have a chance to get a new 65x900a

I have a Panasonic gt 50 plasma now which I am selling and I will be getting the sony xbr 65x900a do you think I am making a good choice. I can get a good price at bb for this tv. also do I need a new stereo receiver that does 4k. right now I have a pioneer elite sc61
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I have a Panasonic gt 50 plasma now which I am selling and I will be getting the sony xbr 65x900a do you think I am making a good choice. I can get a good price at bb for this tv. also do I need a new stereo receiver that does 4k. right now I have a pioneer elite sc61
I think it is definitely better than the GT. You will be a very happy camper. The size will feel enormous compared to the 50
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Still, if the 4K BD hardware implements the dual HDMI out like the X series players, then needing HDCP 2.2 in the amp would be irrelevant and so would 4K passthrough, come to think of it, because you'd be bypassing the amp with its lovely 18 Gb/s HDMI chips anyway...
Just don't see it becoming a real issue in the near future. I think you'll see it down the road, but I doubt it will be a requirement in 15 or 16.. The last thing this industry needs (in the movement towards 4K) is dual HDMI outs, one for audio, one for video and HDCP this and HDMI 2.0 that to really confuse the average (plug and play) consumer. I'm sure they'll figure it out....



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Price adjust opportunity at Best Buy. The XBR-65X900A is down to $2,699.98.
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Just don't see it becoming a real issue in the near future. I think you'll see it down the road, but I doubt it will be a requirement in 15 or 16.. The last thing this industry needs (in the movement towards 4K) is dual HDMI outs, one for audio, one for video and HDCP this and HDMI 2.0 that to really confuse the average (plug and play) consumer. I'm sure they'll figure it out....
Dude, they're already at that point of confusing the customer with all the acronyms, HDMI 2.0 'lite' versus full-fat 18 Gb/s etc. Now we've got certain manufacturers basically blowing off HDCP 2.2 because they don't see the need for it with 4K, even though the big six Hollywood studios have already made it quite clear that it's a big part of their content protection strategy for 4K. Pioneer et al are guilty of sticking their heads in the sand, and if 4K BD ever comes out then they'll be made to look like fools.

As for two HDMI's, it's not a new thing. Higher end 3D players have exactly that, and for exactly the same reason as for HDCP 2.2: if someone's HDMI amp is too old to be compatible with this video signal, then you can bypass the amp and send the image straight to the TV, and still get your HD audio piped thru to your amp over the second HDMI. It's not a big deal.
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Price adjust opportunity at Best Buy. The XBR-65X900A is down to $2,699.98.
what's BB's price protection period? some people say 14 days and others say its 30.
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Holy ****. Long term readers of this thread may recall that there was no HDCP upgrade program for the earliest UK builds up until a few weeks ago, because Sony finally realised that their new X5 4K streamer needs HDCP 2.2 and that their first-first-gen TVs didn't have it.

Guess what? Sony have just contacted 'A' owners who registered for the HDCP upgrade offering them a free upgrade to the equivalent 'B' series TV, because the new board won't be available until January 2015 at the earliest! Good old Sony, they couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery.

So what should I do, listeners? I despise active 3D but I'd love to get this HDCP 2.2 debacle sorted out and it'd be great to get 4K playback over USB also. So should I hold out for the HDCP board or go for the offered KD55X9005B? Opinions, please!
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Sony have just contacted 'A' owners who registered for the HDCP upgrade offering them a free upgrade to the equivalent 'B' series TV, because the new board won't be available until January 2015 at the earliest! Good old Sony, they couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery.

So what should I do, listeners? I despise active 3D but I'd love to get this HDCP 2.2 debacle sorted out and it'd be great to get 4K playback over USB also. So should I hold out for the HDCP board or go for the offered KD55X9005B? Opinions, please!
Exchanging a year old TV for the new model sounds like a good offer.
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If you swap for the new set, passive 3D is gone, perhaps forever. If you wait a bit longer, you get both passive 3D and HDCP 2.2.
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If you swap for the new set, passive 3D is gone, perhaps forever. If you wait a bit longer, you get both passive 3D and HDCP 2.2.
I know, I know. If I had the full-res 65 I wouldn't even be thinking about it. But because I've got the half-res 3D on the 55, which certain members keep niggling me about and putting doubts in my mind, I'm thinking that I'd just be exchanging one set of artefacts for another (aliasing vs ghosting) and getting all that good stuff like HDCP 2.2, 4K USB playback etc in return. And the reviews for the B series have been uniformly excellent, varying opinions on the 3D aside, whereas the same can't be said of the A.

I love my TV, I've had it for a year and it's performed like a champ. But a new for old straight swap isn't something that I should turn my nose up at. The only deal breaker is that I have a 5 year warranty, which would have to be transferred over for me to consider it, and I know how arsey Sony UK can be about such things...
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Holy ****. Long term readers of this thread may recall that there was no HDCP upgrade program for the earliest UK builds up until a few weeks ago, because Sony finally realised that their new X5 4K streamer needs HDCP 2.2 and that their first-first-gen TVs didn't have it.

Guess what? Sony have just contacted 'A' owners who registered for the HDCP upgrade offering them a free upgrade to the equivalent 'B' series TV, because the new board won't be available until January 2015 at the earliest! Good old Sony, they couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery.

So what should I do, listeners? I despise active 3D but I'd love to get this HDCP 2.2 debacle sorted out and it'd be great to get 4K playback over USB also. So should I hold out for the HDCP board or go for the offered KD55X9005B? Opinions, please!
I would exchange it and not look back. You will get better contrast, USB playback, HEVC, better sound (if you use built in speakers, with the option of the wireless sub). Maybe go to a store and check out the 3D and see how you feel.

I actually am on the fence with changing out my 900a for a 850b just for better uniformity. 4 panels all with banding is driving me insane. Seems like the 900B still has banding problems too.
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Bestbuy now has the 65" for $2699 if you can find one.
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So should I hold out for the HDCP board or go for the offered KD55X9005B? Opinions, please!
Go for the free upgrade as the new TV will have a higher resale value. Then sell it in January 2015 straight after CES and buy one of the first Ultra-D glasses-free 3D TVs.
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Go for the free upgrade as the new TV will have a higher resale value. Then sell it in January 2015 straight after CES and buy one of the first Ultra-D glasses-free 3D TVs.
I always just give my old TV's away. Where do you begin to sell a high end TV? I would think the market is so small, and I certainly would want someone to come get it from me.
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I always just give my old TV's away. Where do you begin to sell a high end TV? I would think the market is so small, and I certainly would want someone to come get it from me.
I sell all my used stuff on Craigslist. Never had any issues.
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I sell all my used stuff on Craigslist. Never had any issues.
I do too, but a TV for nearly $2k second hand seems like it would be impossible to sell on craigslist.
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I would never sell anything like this on Craiglists; too many weirdos coming to your house, seeing what you have..

Send an email out to everyone in your address book that lives within 100 miles of you, with pictures and a great price. I've done that several times and always found a taker for my used electronics..
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Btw, for those wondering, I called best but to get a price adjustment on my 850a (down to 2399) and they said they'll only price match within 15 days. I think somebody asked that question
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Btw, for those wondering, I called best but to get a price adjustment on my 850a (down to 2399) and they said they'll only price match within 15 days. I think somebody asked that question
If you are a silver card plus member, their highest level of rewards, you get at least 45 days; I think it used to be 60, and they lowered it to 45. Otherwise, for non rewards card members, its 14 days..
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If you are a silver card plus member, their highest level of rewards, you get at least 45 days; I think it used to be 60, and they lowered it to 45. Otherwise, for non rewards card members, its 14 days..
*Elite plus

They still only price match for 15 days, and that only includes their own price. However, you could threaten to return the product and just repurchase it. They would probably price match in that case. (Another however) However, they may hit you with a restocking fee knowing that is what you are doing, which would make the price match a wash.
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*Elite plus

They still only price match for 15 days, and that only includes their own price. However, you could threaten to return the product and just repurchase it. They would probably price match in that case. (Another however) However, they may hit you with a restocking fee knowing that is what you are doing, which would make the price match a wash.
Is that a recent change?
When I bought mine last October, there was a price drop 63 days later, and they gave me a 500 dollars credit when I went in to ask...
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Is that a recent change?
When I bought mine last October, there was a price drop 63 days later, and they gave me a 500 dollars credit when I went in to ask...
You seriously lucked out. 63 days for a price match is just insane. I cannot think of a single retailer that does more than 15 days, not even amazon.
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I think back then, their policy was 45 days for elite members, but I thought I had nothing to lose by asking..

Have they really lowered the number of days to 14 for EVERYONE, including Elite members?
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I think back then, their policy was 45 days for elite members, but I thought I had nothing to lose by asking..

Have they really lowered the number of days to 14 for EVERYONE, including Elite members?
No they have not.
It is still 45 days for an elite plus member.
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