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I finally got my XBR65X900A up on a stand this weekend and moved a sofa into my previously empty TV room (empty since the total house reno for a year now!!!)

I have to say, I am very impressed with the set. Black levels are very impressive and overall, it really does a great job on DirecTV DVR. At this size, you can really tell the difference between 720p and 1080i, and there is a tremendous difference between letting the DirectTV DVR do the upscaling, vs, setting the DVR to output native and letting the XBR do the uplift.

Sound - mixed bag. The built in speakers are a bit, "tinny". On the other hand, it is attractive not having to deal with external speakers and a receiver and so on. Fewer buttons to push. On the plus side, there are a great deal of audio options available to tweak the sound for various situations, eq, compression, vocal enhancement and so on. That is a really nice feature, way better than the typical 1" PC speakers firing at the ground and a volume control you get on most (even high end displays).

Downsides -

Shading. The panel does have visible "pooling" or "shading". All LCD's do and this is no exception. However, it is within the realm of acceptable.

White balance: This one is frustrating me. In "warm 2" I'm having a tough time with the color balance. It just doesn't seem right. I can't seem to reach an acceptable 6500k grey scale without some substantial tuning. The default settings have a weird "green-blue" and purply thing going on, which is disappointing. I wish I had a color calibrator, I'd like to set it up properly. I spent much of my college days in a TV repair shop (back when TV's were all CRT and pretty much only watches had LCD's). I've set lots of greyscale setups so have a pretty good idea what they should look like. I did an eyeball setup with some black and white programming and got something I'm reasonably OK with. Like I said, need a color calibrator to really set it up properly.

All in all though, a very good set with a great picture. Can get very film like and the blacks can be very inky.

Crutchfield put my FMP-X10 on "indefinite" ship date. So no idea when that is coming and may just cancel it. I have a feeling, though I could be wrong, that in a year or two, we'll see Google, Amazon and Netflix with a 4k streamer that cost like $99 and is the size of a deck of cards.
Nuke, did you try Austin Jerry's settings? They look fantastic on my 65. Only diff is that I just cannot get use to Warm2 and use Warm1. I know it's technically not correct but it's more pleasing to me and that's what counts in the end .
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4K Question

Just a quick question about 4K streaming video (movies), when streaming at 30fps as compared to streaming at 60fps, is there a significant increase in picture quality? Any thoughts are appreciated....
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unless I missed something, there is nothing we can stream at 60 fps at this point, so you question is meaningless..
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unless I missed something, there is nothing we can stream at 60 fps at this point, so you question is meaningless..
Thank you for the prompt response, however, the reason we all want hdmi 2.0 is to have the ability to stream 60fps. Since you can stream 30fps using hdmi 1.4, will it make that much difference if you have the ability to stream at the higher frames per second rate from a picture quality standpoint. Any thoughts are appreciated...,,
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B.c it is a bravia TV....

That is sonys line of TVs.
Cool..but what functional use is there to it?
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Thank you for the prompt response, however, the reason we all want hdmi 2.0 is to have the ability to stream 60fps. Since you can stream 30fps using hdmi 1.4, will it make that much difference if you have the ability to stream at the higher frames per second rate from a picture quality standpoint. Any thoughts are appreciated...,,
We'll let you know whenever some 60fps content to stream actually exists..
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Cool..but what functional use is there to it?
oh haha, it can mirror your tablet/android phone.
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We'll let you know whenever some 60fps content to stream actually exists..
Yes this is correct... No 60fps content avaliable sniff...
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Nuke, did you try Austin Jerry's settings? They look fantastic on my 65. Only diff is that I just cannot get use to Warm2 and use Warm1. I know it's technically not correct but it's more pleasing to me and that's what counts in the end .
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I did, but to my eye balls, the white balance on my particular panel needs a different setup than his.

I agree that Warm1 appears better out of the box. Warm2 seems really green to me, which is odd, since I've been watching another pretty decent set for years that does a good job in warm. (a sammy).

On the 900A, I can't seem to hit a grayscale that present the NTSC color bars with yellow and cyan in the right way. If I adjust hue to get cyan the same as my calibrated computer monitor, then the yellow bar is clearly too orange. When I get yellow right, then cyan is too blue.

I think if I can just get the white point of the greyscale established properly at D65, the rest will fall into place.

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I have been using AJs settings. Last night I decided to look at the Motionflow stuff. AJs settings has it set to "off". I flipped through them all and couldn't believe how dark the pic gets when you get to "clear plus" and beyond. Clear doesn't seem to have any affect on brightness. I have been running clear since yesterday but not sure that there is any diff between it and off? Anyone have any idea what the diff is or are using "clear"?
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I have been using AJs settings. Last night I decided to look at the Motionflow stuff. AJs settings has it set to "off". I flipped through them all and couldn't believe how dark the pic gets when you get to "clear plus" and beyond. Clear doesn't seem to have any affect on brightness. I have been running clear since yesterday but not sure that there is any diff between it and off? Anyone have any idea what the diff is or are using "clear"?
Thanks, Gerry
Mostly everything looks good with clear, but some shows/movies will get a really bad SOE.

Instead of toggling it on and off it is easier to leave off. I think sports look better on clear though.
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Mostly everything looks good with clear, but some shows/movies will get a really bad SOE.

Instead of toggling it on and off it is easier to leave off. I think sports look better on clear though.
Thanks for the reply. Now I understand- the old SOE thingy! I have not seen it yet but now I will understand the problem if it crops up.
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I have been using AJs settings. Last night I decided to look at the Motionflow stuff. AJs settings has it set to "off". I flipped through them all and couldn't believe how dark the pic gets when you get to "clear plus" and beyond. Clear doesn't seem to have any affect on brightness. I have been running clear since yesterday but not sure that there is any diff between it and off? Anyone have any idea what the diff is or are using "clear"?
Thanks, Gerry
I was playing an Xbox 360 game, Dust: An Elysian Tail, which is a 2D smooth scrolling exploration/beat-em-up. In Game Scene, there was some smearing of detail when scrolling. In Custom Scene, with any Motionflow setting, this cleared right up, especially with Impulse, Clear Plus, and Clear. Clear was my favorite. I thought I saw a little jitter with Clear Plus. Impulse is great, but dark. I need to grab my HDMI splitter and another LCD display for a real comparison.

I also want to check the effect of Super Bit Mapping on scrolling.

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I was playing an Xbox 360 game, Dust: An Elysian Tail, which is a 2D smooth scrolling exploration/beat-em-up. In Game Scene, there was some smearing of detail when scrolling. In Custom Scene, with any Motionflow setting, this cleared right up, especially with Impulse, Clear Plus, and Clear. Clear was my favorite. I thought I saw a little jitter with Clear Plus. Impulse is great, but dark. I need to grab my HDMI splitter and another LCD display for a real comparison.

I also want to check the effect of Super Bit Mapping on scrolling.
I will have to try that out. I just picked up Last of us PS4 and with game mode on it has crazy motion blur. Of course when nothing was moving fast the picture looked unreal. I switched to just regular cinema mode with AJ's settings and it was better.

The real question......when switching out of game mode what the input lag is Game Mode vs Any other mode.
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I ended up pulling the trigger tonight on an "open box" display model of the XBR65X900A at BB for $2,174.99. I used $105 in rewards money for a total of $2,069.99 plus sales tax. Should receive it in a couple days. It was between the 900A and a Samsung 65" F8000. My wife likes the 900A looks over the Samsung's F8000. I didn't care either way, just wanted a good deal... I think I got it.
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Just returned a defective Sharp 70SQ for the 65X900a. Glad I did as the picture is amazing.. but, I have light from the screen leaking through the left edge of the bottom-right speaker. Just trying to see if this is a common occurrence or if I should swap this one out.
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Just returned a defective Sharp 70SQ for the 65X900a. Glad I did as the picture is amazing.. but, I have light from the screen leaking through the left edge of the bottom-right speaker. Just trying to see if this is a common occurrence or if I should swap this one out.
Not common, swap it out....

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Hi Everyone!

This is my first post in years. I joined AVS back when I bought my first HDTV, a Sony 50" SXRD RP 1080p. [EDIT: Actually I joined a while after I bought the TV] I loved it when I bought it, my how times have changed! I've been a HT hobbyist since 1996 when my Dad and I put together our first HT with a 32" JVC and a Pro Logic surround system with BIC Venturi speakers.

Nearly 20 years and many, many components later I just received my Sony 65x900a! Got a new job, moved across the country (Silicon Valley FTW) and decided to treat myself. I spent an inordinate amount of time researching before I settled on the 900a. My previous set was a Sony 55" HX-800. I seem to have a (bad?) habit of upgrading monitors every 4 years. I hope that's not the case with this new set, because it seems extraordinary in every way.

After using the much beloved "AustinJerry" settings and seeing this TV in action, I feel like all of my HT dreams have come true. It's absolutely that good. I haven't read all of the 382 pages in this forum, but probably over 70%. I feel like I know some of you already, it's weird. Flinchn and AJ have been quite helpful, not to mention so many other regular posters.

I got a very fair price on the TV (just below the ceiling I had set for myself) and had it shipped across the country. I was very worried about the "panel lottery". My old HX had awful blooming and pooling and it always drove me mad. I haven't done a full calibration on the x9 yet, and I may not. Using AJs settings everything looks spectacular and I'm not a color accuracy perfectionist so the delta errors aren't bothering me at the moment. I'm also a little concerned that once I see where the panel is having trouble, I won't be able to UNSEE it. Ignorance is bliss after all.

My first impression is that I have very little light pooling and generally very good uniformity. No DSE that I can detect yet or other imperfections that aren't inherent to an edge lit display. Of course, coming from that HX, anything was bound to look good. Still, I have sensitive eyes (or a crazy brain, or both) and nothing is jumping out at me.

The MAIN reason I wanted this model, which may sound crazy to many, was the passive 3D. I'm a huge 3D fan and know the 4k upscaling with the passive glasses is a match made in heaven. I popped in Hugo tonight for about 30 minutes and still haven't picked up my jaw.

All of my stuff gets moved in on Saturday, then I can install my Marantz receiver and AR 5.1 setup. Instead of unpacking on Sunday I'm going to play PS4 until my eyes bleed (much to my girlfriends chagrin, of course).

The HX had horrible motion blue which was cleared up by setting motionflow to smooth, but that introduced artifacts around fast moving objects and some judder. I'm hoping this panel resolves all of that in a much more reasonable fashion. I'm not a twitch gamer so hoping I don't need to use game mode. Guess I'll just see what works best. My hopes are high though that I can use my Cinema settings for gaming.

Anyway, thanks for taking the time to read this long post. I've been lurking for so long I couldn't wait to jump in once my set arrived. Thanks to all of you for helping me make this decision and answering all of my questions (before I even asked).

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Just returned a defective Sharp 70SQ for the 65X900a. Glad I did as the picture is amazing.. but, I have light from the screen leaking through the left edge of the bottom-right speaker. Just trying to see if this is a common occurrence or if I should swap this one out.
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Hi Everyone!

This is my first post in years. I joined AVS back when I bought my first HDTV, a Sony 50" SXRD RP 1080p. [EDIT: Actually I joined a while after I bought the TV] I loved it when I bought it, my how times have changed! I've been a HT hobbyist since 1996 when my Dad and I put together our first HT with a 32" JVC and a Pro Logic surround system with BIC Venturi speakers.

Nearly 20 years and many, many components later I just received my Sony 65x900a! Got a new job, moved across the country (Silicon Valley FTW) and decided to treat myself. I spent an inordinate amount of time researching before I settled on the 900a. My previous set was a Sony 55" HX-800. I seem to have a (bad?) habit of upgrading monitors every 4 years. I hope that's not the case with this new set, because it seems extraordinary in every way.

After using the much beloved "AustinJerry" settings and seeing this TV in action, I feel like all of my HT dreams have come true. It's absolutely that good. I haven't read all of the 382 pages in this forum, but probably over 70%. I feel like I know some of you already, it's weird. Flinchn and AJ have been quite helpful, not to mention so many other regular posters.

I got a very fair price on the TV (just below the ceiling I had set for myself) and had it shipped across the country. I was very worried about the "panel lottery". My old HX had awful blooming and pooling and it always drove me mad. I haven't done a full calibration on the x9 yet, and I may not. Using AJs settings everything looks spectacular and I'm not a color accuracy perfectionist so the delta errors aren't bothering me at the moment. I'm also a little concerned that once I see where the panel is having trouble, I won't be able to UNSEE it. Ignorance is bliss after all.

My first impression is that I have very little light pooling and generally very good uniformity. No DSE that I can detect yet or other imperfections that aren't inherent to an edge lit display. Of course, coming from that HX, anything was bound to look good. Still, I have sensitive eyes (or a crazy brain, or both) and nothing is jumping out at me.

The MAIN reason I wanted this model, which may sound crazy to many, was the passive 3D. I'm a huge 3D fan and know the 4k upscaling with the passive glasses is a match made in heaven. I popped in Hugo tonight for about 30 minutes and still haven't picked up my jaw.

All of my stuff gets moved in on Saturday, then I can install my Marantz receiver and AR 5.1 setup. Instead of unpacking on Sunday I'm going to play PS4 until my eyes bleed (much to my girlfriends chagrin, of course).

The HX had horrible motion blue which was cleared up by setting motionflow to smooth, but that introduced artifacts around fast moving objects and some judder. I'm hoping this panel resolves all of that in a much more reasonable fashion. I'm not a twitch gamer so hoping I don't need to use game mode. Guess I'll just see what works best. My hopes are high though that I can use my Cinema settings for gaming.

Anyway, thanks for taking the time to read this long post. I've been lurking for so long I couldn't wait to jump in once my set arrived. Thanks to all of you for helping me make this decision and answering all of my questions (before I even asked).

ZZ
Congrats on the new set. This set had made a lot of people 3D fans, so that is not crazy at all!
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