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halon's Avatar halon 12:15 AM 08-01-2014
I'm not sure why I'm seeing all these posts about motion blur when gaming? I have not had a problem with that.

Mattopotamus's Avatar Mattopotamus 04:55 AM 08-01-2014
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Thanks to everyone for the warm welcome! I'm super excited to get my HT fully setup. It might be a few weeks while I unpack. Thankfully the x9 speakers are really good. I'm really surprised with how well they perform, they're beyond what I was expecting.

I'm SO happy Sony updated the PS4 with 3D, that's a really big deal for me. Ug, I can't wait until Sunday when I can sit down in front of the screen and get my game on.

After reading some posts I'm pretty concerned that the Game mode is going to cause more motion blur than I want, but I guess you can't have it all. Who knows, maybe 120ms latency with my Cinema settings won't be so bad for me since I'm not a competitive gamer. I missed Gran Tourismo 5 when it came out on PS3 so I picked it up today used. Fingers crossed for a great 3D racing experience. So nice to have passive glasses at full HD! Unbelievable.

Do you guys think that passive 3D on 4k sets will breathe some new life into 3D? I have my doubts, but I really, really hope so.

ZZ
I think it is too late for 3D to take off. Maybe when we get 3D without the glasses it will become more mainstream. It is sad too b.c the level of clarity and depth proper 3D provides is sipmly amazing.
blitzftw 07:36 AM 08-01-2014
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I'm not sure why I'm seeing all these posts about motion blur when gaming? I have not had a problem with that.
I think the native response time of the panel isn't that great, so when you disable motionflow (e.g game mode), it struggles in some games. FIFA on PS3 is a good example. You can see ghosting anytime the ball travels.

It could also be due to the fact that the games are not being displayed at their native resolution. I think FIFA is only 720p native for PS3. I definitely see the ghosting in game mode on my 55 x900a, but I don't see it on my older sony 46" V4100 (60hz native panel).
SuperMiguel's Avatar SuperMiguel 08:01 AM 08-01-2014
BR65X900A was $2400 yesterday in BB now its completely gone... and the B version its like $5k "s
Cuadros86 09:09 AM 08-01-2014
Just got my 55X900A replaced by Sony with 900B and all I can say is finally a good screen!

The colors really pop and brightness is amazing, have backlight at 4 lol. Glad I didn't get the X10 since 4K Netflix is on it. Thanks for all your help here! You've really made me open my eyes more to HT tech and components. If you have a 55 I suggest upgrading to the B since the 3D on the 55A isn't as good as 65A.
Mattopotamus's Avatar Mattopotamus 11:29 AM 08-01-2014
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Just got my 55X900A replaced by Sony with 900B and all I can say is finally a good screen!

The colors really pop and brightness is amazing, have backlight at 4 lol. Glad I didn't get the X10 since 4K Netflix is on it. Thanks for all your help here! You've really made me open my eyes more to HT tech and components. If you have a 55 I suggest upgrading to the B since the 3D on the 55A isn't as good as 65A.
Did you recently buy your "A"? Basically did you get an upgrade to the B model but only pay $2000ish for your A? Just curious.
RiED27880's Avatar RiED27880 01:00 PM 08-01-2014
Gardians of the Galaxy in IMAX 3D last night was insane! I think i just found my new fav bluray 3D movie for my X9A. some of the best 3d i have ever seen. Can't wait to own it.
RiED27880's Avatar RiED27880 01:06 PM 08-01-2014
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I'd like to think so, but I believe it's too little too late. Seems most 4k TVs coming out actually have active, which is either being stupid, or a sign that they don't give a damn (more likely).

Besides, I think it's the whole glasses thing that's leading to 3D's decline, and not the fact that passive on 1080p sets is only half res (most people won't notice because they sit too far away, or they won't mind even if they do).

But we can still hope and dream.
I could have not said it any better you are right on the money
Faceless Rebel's Avatar Faceless Rebel 03:57 PM 08-01-2014
Is there a dedicated thread for the FMP-X10 on this forum? I just got mine and played with it a little bit, and I have to say the people who say you can't see the difference between 1080p and 4K are crazy or blind. After just watching a couple of free movie previews, the difference was easily apparent on my 65X900A.

The cost to buy a movie is pretty crazy though, $35 is pretty steep for just a digital movie with no bonus content. And you're really supposed to pay $4 an episode for Breaking Bad? I'm bad at math but even I know that $4 x 62 episodes = $248, is this supposed to be a bad joke Sony?
LeeSoFl's Avatar LeeSoFl 04:08 PM 08-01-2014
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Is there a dedicated thread for the FMP-X10 on this forum?

Sony FMP-X10 owners thread

I'm due for delivery on Monday.
AustinJerry's Avatar AustinJerry 04:14 PM 08-01-2014
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Is there a dedicated thread for the FMP-X10 on this forum? I just got mine and played with it a little bit, and I have to say the people who say you can't see the difference between 1080p and 4K are crazy or blind. After just watching a couple of free movie previews, the difference was easily apparent on my 65X900A.

The cost to buy a movie is pretty crazy though, $35 is pretty steep for just a digital movie with no bonus content. And you're really supposed to pay $4 an episode for Breaking Bad? I'm bad at math but even I know that $4 x 62 episodes = $248, is this supposed to be a bad joke Sony?
Given the marginal observed PQ difference between 1080p on Blu-ray or SuperHD, and streamed 4K, $248 for the Breaking Bad series doesn't seem like a good deal to me. The series is available on Netflix, both streaming and on Blu-ray. My Netflix subscription (streaming and Blu-ray disks) is $20/month. $248 buys me a full year of Netflix.
Mattopotamus's Avatar Mattopotamus 05:08 PM 08-01-2014
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Given the marginal observed PQ difference between 1080p on Blu-ray or SuperHD, and streamed 4K, $248 for the Breaking Bad series doesn't seem like a good deal to me. The series is available on Netflix, both streaming and on Blu-ray. My Netflix subscription (streaming and Blu-ray disks) is $20/month. $248 buys me a full year of Netflix.
Ouch. Netflix is $20 a month for bluray and streaming? You are better off renting from from red box and paying the Netflix stream fee. I can't imagine you getting 8 blu rays a month (about the Redbox cost plus streaming cost)
AustinJerry's Avatar AustinJerry 05:56 PM 08-01-2014
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Ouch. Netflix is $20 a month for bluray and streaming? You are better off renting from from red box and paying the Netflix stream fee. I can't imagine you getting 8 blu rays a month (about the Redbox cost plus streaming cost)
Why are we discussing my subscription plan? My original point is that $248 is pricey for Breaking Bad episodes.
Traylorc's Avatar Traylorc 06:13 PM 08-01-2014
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Gardians of the Galaxy in IMAX 3D last night was insane! I think i just found my new fav bluray 3D movie for my X9A. some of the best 3d i have ever seen. Can't wait to own it.
I wholeheartedly agree....loved the movie, and loved the 3D.
Cuadros86 06:41 PM 08-01-2014
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Did you recently buy your "A"? Basically did you get an upgrade to the B model but only pay $2000ish for your A? Just curious.
Pretty much, sir.
Adamd's Avatar Adamd 06:57 PM 08-01-2014
After going through 3 bad x900a it's nice to get a good one, this one has no noticeable banding or clouding. Only thing I have found is a small see through speck on the lcd, it can't be seen from seated distance so I'm saying this is a keeper. So glad this roller coaster of finding a good set is over. I know no set is perfect and a little speck I can't see from my seat sounds like a good flaw to have after bad banding and clouding.
solidFire501's Avatar solidFire501 09:15 PM 08-01-2014
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I think it is too late for 3D to take off. Maybe when we get 3D without the glasses it will become more mainstream. It is sad too b.c the level of clarity and depth proper 3D provides is sipmly amazing.
Agreed.

Hopefully when glasses free 3D arrives it will debut on sets that actually work well. If the first glasses free 3D panels have very limited "sweet spots" where the 3D effect can be seen, I think it will do little to push the format.

I think most of the problem with 3D adoption today is that the first home TVs that offered it just did not do a very good job of actually displaying 3D content. The glasses were active shutter, heavy and uncomfortable, expensive, required batteries, and could cause eye strain for many people. If you could endure all of that, you would often experience crosstalk anyway. In my opinion, early 3D tvs were just not that great. I have a Sony active 3D set in my bedroom, and I regret buying the sensor bar and glasses for it. Its a great TV, but terrible at 3D. i think many people who were at one point moderately interested in 3D were so put off by the early models that they just wrote it off completely, and haven't given it a second thought. Maybe if manufacturers had waited to debut 3D until they had nearly perfected it (like on the 65x900a), it would be a different story.

I really don't think people are that opposed to glasses, to be honest. After all, many people still view 3d films at the theater wearing glasses with little complaint.

Lastly, it doesn't help that the cost and availability of 3D blu rays relative to their 2D counterparts is just ridiculous. The format will never succeed if the cost of a 3D blu ray edition is much higher than the "on sale" 2D edition. It's as if the studios release a 3D edition, grossly overpriced it relative to the 2D edition, and then use poor 3D sales relative to the 2D as an excuse to not do future 3D releases. And I still don't get why some films are not released in 3D blu here in the US. It make no sense to me that a film was available in 3D in the theaters would not also be available on 3D blu ray, especially if said 3D blu ray was being released in other regions.

Hopefully we will still see 3D releases, even if they are fewer and farther between. This panel just begs to be viewed in 3D, and I am happy to oblige.
nuke's Avatar nuke 03:16 AM 08-02-2014
Anyone have the serial input control protocol for the XBR65X900?

Doesn't seem to be an obvious source of documenations.
Faceless Rebel's Avatar Faceless Rebel 07:15 AM 08-02-2014
If you have the FMP-X10 and are connecting Audio 2 to your receiver, what do you have your Audio Offset at to compensate for the X900A's delay?
LeeSoFl's Avatar LeeSoFl 07:37 AM 08-02-2014
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If you have the FMP-X10 and are connecting Audio 2 to your receiver, what do you have your Audio Offset at to compensate for the X900A's delay?
I'm assuming the audio is ahead of the picture on your 900A. On the X10, it's called A/V Sync:

You can delay the output of audio to minimize the time gap between audio output and a visual display using [A/V SYNC].

Press arrows to select an item you want, then press + to confirm.
Select (Settings) – [Sound] from the Home menu.
Select [A/V SYNC].
Select the setting you want.
0 ms (factory default setting): The time gap between the audio output and visual display is not adjusted.
10 ms – 300 ms: You can adjust the delay from 10 ms to 300 ms in 10 ms intervals.
GARRIGA's Avatar GARRIGA 07:50 AM 08-02-2014
Looks like DTV is going to support 4K with the launch of their two new satellites. Can't see the benefit of lugging an X1 or X10 on my stand.
Mdjones9137's Avatar Mdjones9137 08:14 AM 08-02-2014
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Looks like DTV is going to support 4K with the launch of their two new satellites. Can't see the benefit of lugging an X1 or X10 on my stand.
Comcast has committed to 4K VOD as well by end of this year. The sony player has a very limited shelf ( err stand) life it seems. BDA needs to come forward with 4k Bluray details and we will be set.

Traylorc's Avatar Traylorc 10:20 AM 08-02-2014
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Looks like DTV is going to support 4K with the launch of their two new satellites. Can't see the benefit of lugging an X1 or X10 on my stand.
That's great...but when exactly is 4K content from Directv suppose to be available? I remember reading an article where Directv indicated that after the debacle of their full time 3D TV initiative, they were going to move carefully into the 4K arena.
Mdjones9137's Avatar Mdjones9137 10:25 AM 08-02-2014
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That's great...but when exactly is 4K content from Directv suppose to be available? I remember reading an article where Directv indicated that after the debacle of their full time 3D TV initiative, they were going to move carefully into the 4K arena.
Later this year

http://www.fiercecable.com/story/dir...ays/2014-08-01
GARRIGA's Avatar GARRIGA 10:45 AM 08-02-2014
Sounds like DTV is aiming for 2016 to be highly committed but I'd be satisfy with 4K VOD that has new content and not limited to Sony's library of offerings. I suspect I'll have an affordable streaming box option soon. Assuming there's more to stream then house of cards and breaking bad. Movies would be interesting.
golem's Avatar golem 12:18 PM 08-02-2014
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Gardians of the Galaxy in IMAX 3D last night was insane! I think i just found my new fav bluray 3D movie for my X9A. some of the best 3d i have ever seen. Can't wait to own it.
The whole time I was sitting through GoTG (which is a great film) I was thinking this 3D is going to look so much better on my X900A at home.
halon's Avatar halon 03:56 PM 08-02-2014
Watched Guardians a second time(3rd viewing next week) and really wished they were selling the BD as you walked out the door.
Traylorc's Avatar Traylorc 04:32 PM 08-02-2014
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Thanks Mdjones for the link.

I have to be honest...I'm a pessimist when it comes to stuff like this. If Directv says they will launch 4K VOD by the end of 2014....I prepare myself for 4K VOD content by the end of 2015.

Don't get me wrong....if Directv is able to offer 4K content by the end of 2014 I will be one happy camper.
Faceless Rebel's Avatar Faceless Rebel 06:51 PM 08-02-2014
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Originally Posted by LeeSoFl View Post
I'm assuming the audio is ahead of the picture on your 900A. On the X10, it's called A/V Sync:

You can delay the output of audio to minimize the time gap between audio output and a visual display using [A/V SYNC].

Press arrows to select an item you want, then press + to confirm.
Select (Settings) – [Sound] from the Home menu.
Select [A/V SYNC].
Select the setting you want.
0 ms (factory default setting): The time gap between the audio output and visual display is not adjusted.
10 ms – 300 ms: You can adjust the delay from 10 ms to 300 ms in 10 ms intervals.
Oh okay. That's convenient. Do you know how long the delay should be on the 65X900A? I haven't seen a specific lag number myself for this TV when using the Cinema scene.
LeeSoFl's Avatar LeeSoFl 07:18 PM 08-02-2014
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Oh okay. That's convenient. Do you know how long the delay should be on the 65X900A? I haven't seen a specific lag number myself for this TV when using the Cinema scene.
I'd say a reasonable starting point if you're seeing lip sync issues would be 30ms. Walk it around from there with a scene that has a lot of dialogue and close up shots.

The adjustable range is wide enough that you're sure to find a number that fills the bill.
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