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post #12781 of 12797 Old 01-28-2015, 06:05 PM
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No no no, you're getting completely the wrong end of the stick. HDMI bandwidth relates to how high a quality of an image that the TV will be able to process. When it comes to the spatial resolution, the TV WILL display a 3840x2160 (and even 4096x2160) image, that's a fact. But there is a list of other variables related to the colour subsampling (method used to compress colour for home video), bit depth (amount of colour gradation available) and frame rate (up to 60p) of 4K video sources which will be constrained by the HDMI hardware inside this TV.

Now, a lot of people are mouthing off about this HDMI 2.0 'lite' implementation that exists in a lot of 4K gear (at this point) because it won't allow for the best 4:4:4 sampling at the highest bit depth (>12) at the highest frame rate, and that's fair enough - BUUUUUT......Ultra HD Blu-ray's spec has been announced by Panasonic (see here: http://av.watch.impress.co.jp/img/av.../dg11.jpg.html ) and it will be using 10-bit 4:2:0 colour encoding, which our A/B/C Sony sets will be perfectly capable of reproducing at up to 30fps, so that basically encompasses the vast majority of movies ever made.

60p content will be downgraded to 8-bit 4:2:0 admittedly, but as I said in that other thread the benefits of the additional temporal resolution will still be patently obvious (heck, even 1080p60 looks amazingly smooth to me) so there are exciting times ahead.
I get it , I think, very informative ...however you seem stuck on Blu Ray ...what happens when ESPN goes 4K will the 13-14 models be ok?

Will there be a TV in 2015 already setup with all the kit needed to not worry about exactly what many are worrying about and you're re-assuring will be ok?
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I get it , I think, very informative ...however you seem stuck on Blu Ray ...what happens when ESPN goes 4K will the 13-14 models be ok?

Will there be a TV in 2015 already setup with all the kit needed to not worry about exactly what many are worrying about and you're re-assuring will be ok?
I use UHD BD as the benchmark because I HIGHLY doubt that 4K TV broadcasts will be going higher than 10-bit 4:2:0 for the simple reason that it always seems to be a race to the bottom as far as TV PQ is concerned, due to the need to squirt x amount of channels thru x amount of bandwidth. Even if they did go higher, there's no way they'd be able to match the 100 Mb/s max video bit rate of UHD BD so the benefits would be lost due to the strangled bit rate (which is why some folks say that 4K streaming video at the moment is hardly better than a good Blu-ray).

As for what the future may bring, I'm sure there will be TVs in the years to come that will have all the HDMI goodness and wide colour gamut and high dynamic range and whatever, but that is another story...
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Thanks, you are indeed correct on that. Possibly! I could have never noticed, but now that I do I cannot un-notice it. When I get whatever model they decide to give me I will check for this. I cannot accept this. I can accept some clouding or flashlighting (whatever it's called) but not this for the $7K I paid for it. I can say it's only not visible during dark scene's obviously. No matter if it's a Blu-ray or Cable. I wish I could just accept it as otherwise this is a great tv but I can't.

I went through the same thing with a total of 6 exchanges and I'm sad to say all of them had banding. Even the 950b. If you look for it on the right content you will find it on every Sony tv from the. 900a 900b and 950b. I ended up returning the 950b because I missed the passive 3d to much and it was an extra 3000. I ended up getting another 900a. This one has mild banding on the right side but once you get over it you will stop noticing it for the most part. They might send you a 900b that has it even worst banding then your a.
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Is the 900A less of a picture / TV than the 950B?
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Hey everyone, I own a 65x900a since June 2014, been debating whether or not to get the fmp x10 or a cheaper 4k media player, rather pay $700 than buying a new TV any suggestions?
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Wait for Blu-ray 4K

If I were you I would wait. At the end of the year we will see the release of 4k Blu-ray. Those players will most likely include Netflix and Amazon in 4K. You can always wait till there is a cheaper 4K streaming option. Much better than the x1 or x10 as they are only going to carry Sony films and not all other movie studios.
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Absolutely! If you've done without 4K so far then don't piss your money away on Sony's system looking for a 4K fix. UHD BD should debut Q4 this year, and it will be higher quality than the streamed offerings anyway.
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Is the 900A less of a picture / TV than the 950B?

For 2d viewing yes, the FALD on the 950 makes the black levels much deeper and the contrast in much higher. Now if the 900a was FALD!!!! I did find the FALD a little distracting sometimes though you could see some pulsing on some scenes. All in all with price considered I still like my 900a better but in a perfect world it would have a FALD like the 950. One other thing I liked about the 950 was the pixel response time was faster so in panning shots so it would not get that smeared fuzzy look the 900 can.
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I have both the 65 inch 900a and 65ich 900b

The 900b has a lot of ghosting on 3d, while my 900a passive has no ghosting....is there anyway to get rid of ghosting on the 900b?
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I have both the 65 inch 900a and 65ich 900b

The 900b has a lot of ghosting on 3d, while my 900a passive has no ghosting....is there anyway to get rid of ghosting on the 900b?
Not really, when the sets on for an hour and warmed up it will get a little less but that's about it. The 900a just has the best 3d so it's hard to compare the two.
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You guys are right, might as wait, also being that the x900a has quantum dot technology does it mean it will comply with the HDR specs ??
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What do you guys think about the nuvola np1 with ultraflix??
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What do you guys think about the nuvola np1 with ultraflix??
Proceed with caution.
I think Nuvola is getting out of the media player business and focusing on their streaming service.

This statement below which has been on their website for at least a year screams "Houston we have a problem" to me. H.264 is not capable of decoding 4K. That is why all 900a owners needed to buy Sony's media player with the H.265 codec included in order to stream Netflix 4K.

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The Nuvola NP-1 supports current 4K Ultra HD video using the H.264 compression, and will be automatically updated with the latest H.265 (HEVC) codecs as they become available.

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What do you guys think about the nuvola np1 with ultraflix??
There are several cheaper Android based boxes that are good for XBMC and allow you to playback the YouTube downloaded 4K MP4 files. I have the Open Hour Chameleon and with the current firmware version I'd give it a 7 out of 10. I am able to use the UltraFlix app from the Google Play Store. None of these android boxes currently allow you to playback Netflix in 4K streaming.

I had the X1 as it came bundled with my purchase of the 900a. i sold it on eBay and purchased the X10. I am happy with the X10 but would not have been had I paid full retail price for it.

Might be best to wait for the 4K BluRay Players coming out at the end of the year.
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I was watching Idiot Abroad on Netflix when I was suddenly scared my 65 went bad. Out of nowhere it looked like I had around 12 groupings of dead pixels! I jumped off the couch grabbing remotes and saying many words not needing repeated here. Turned the show off and noticed they were gone. I then realized it was a problem with show. Just to make sure I flipped around some other shows.
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I'm concerned my 65x900a does not have HDMI 2.0 capabilities even with the firmware update. I bought it in 2014 but the set itself was made in Japan March 2013!

When researching this thread the date 09/2013 was thrown around a lot, does that mean that since my set was manufactured in 04/2013 that it doesn't have the HDMI 2.0 chip?

This would be very upsetting since I plan to get the first video card that has HDMI 2.0 that I can get my hands on.

I'd appreciate AVS's knowledge here!

Thank you
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Anyone with the X900A watch the new Star Trek - Into Darkness Blu-ray...?

Did the X900A have any slight problems with "motion" - especially when it came to faces of Kirk (and others) and their uniforms...?
No problems at all and it's amazing in 3d too
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I'm concerned my 65x900a does not have HDMI 2.0 capabilities even with the firmware update. I bought it in 2014 but the set itself was made in Japan March 2013!

When researching this thread the date 09/2013 was thrown around a lot, does that mean that since my set was manufactured in 04/2013 that it doesn't have the HDMI 2.0 chip?

This would be very upsetting since I plan to get the first video card that has HDMI 2.0 that I can get my hands on.

I'd appreciate AVS's knowledge here!

Thank you
What exactly does HDMI 2.0 allow? and why would a 4K TV not have everything needed to be 4K?
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Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't HDMI 2.0 required to view 4k content at 60p? More specifically, it would allow me to play computer games with 4k resolution and 60p.
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