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I can understand that. I guess it is a matter of whether the audio sounds better on the TV speakers, or better downconverted to stereo and played through the AVR and much better speakers. Neither option is perfect. All part of the joy being an early adopter.
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So does any of the media player content give eye popping resolution or is it just so so.... They should release planet earth or something in 4k, a wildlife video..
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Based on the pictures of the 850 and the fact that it uses active vs. passive, it seems like it is just the 900a (non 2k) version but with 4k. The 900a 55" that is 1080p has all the features of the 4k set minus it being a 4k panel and the 900a 55" uses adaptive 3d.

I did try out some 3d on the 55" 900a (non-2k) and it was pretty good, but now that I seen the passive 3d on the 4k models, I prefer it so much more. It will be interesting to see what other changes the x850 has. My fiancée and I were not fans of he speakers on our 65x900, but once we decided to still get it and set it up on our TV stand we have grown to love the looks. Since my receiver does not pass through a 4k signal, I had to direct connect my computer into it's own HDMI and the use the TV speakers for audio and I am shocked at how good they sound. Even when the HDMI 2.0 firmware comes out, I will stick with going direct connect until I buy a new receiver that has 4k passthrough and/or wait for a receiver that has HDMI 2.0 as well.

Has there been any hint on when the HDMI 2.0 firmware will possibly hit?

I've never, ever been a fan of 3D. In fact, I absolutely hate it. I've got a VW1000ES, so I have active 3D on that, and I've tried passive 3D in the past, but it never did anything for me.

However, this set has made me a believer in 3D. I've simply never experienced 3D that's as realistic. Every single complaint I've ever had about 3D has been addressed by this TV: No headaches or eye fatigue, no crosstalk, 25+ ft-L of brightness in each eye, lightweight and cheap glasses...

I've gone back to play every game I never played in 3D- Sonic Generations, Shadow of the Colossus, Uncharted 3 (oh my god... I can't go back to 2D on this game), Halo Anniversary, and more. I always thought of 3D as superfluous, but not anymore. If anyone's on the fence about this TV, ask to see it in 3D and you'll be convinced. The TV comes with a 3D channel application that you can use to view 3D content-- games, movies, wildlife footage, etc. I guarantee you'll be blown away. Wow.
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So does any of the media player content give eye popping resolution or is it just so so.... They should release planet earth or something in 4k, a wildlife video..

Oh yeah. Some of the movies are better than others. For example, Amazing Spiderman to me and my fiancée looked a lot better than the Blu Ray version. Others are cleaner, but it does vary since some of the other movies on the player are older titles. However, some of the clips are just amazing looking. El Dorado is a 7 min clip that is just eye popping amazing looking. It starts at night with a womane driving an el dorado in what looks like vegas or somewhere with a lot of neon. Blacks are deep and tie color from the neon signs just pop off the screen. There are also some underwater and land footage like something you would see on the National Geographic and those are just amazing looking as well. I saw a few minutes of the new Total Recall on the Media Player and that also looks very sharp and clean.

Once you seen some of the clips on the media player and some of the more recent movies, you can easily tell the difference. Even though the up scaling of 1080p content makes things look better, it is not match for a true 4k movie transfer and even more impressive are more recent movies that were shot digitally and transferred to 4k. What will really make things shine is when they start releasing movies on the player that were shot in 4k like some of the short films they have on the player.

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I've never, ever been a fan of 3D. In fact, I absolutely hate it. I've got a VW1000ES, so I have active 3D on that, and I've tried passive 3D in the past, but it never did anything for me.

However, this set has made me a believer in 3D. I've simply never experienced 3D that's as realistic. Every single complaint I've ever had about 3D has been addressed by this TV: No headaches or eye fatigue, no crosstalk, 25+ ft-L of brightness in each eye, lightweight and cheap glasses...

I've gone back to play every game I never played in 3D- Sonic Generations, Shadow of the Colossus, Uncharted 3 (oh my god... I can't go back to 2D on this game), Halo Anniversary, and more. I always thought of 3D as superfluous, but not anymore. If anyone's on the fence about this TV, ask to see it in 3D and you'll be convinced. The TV comes with a 3D channel application that you can use to view 3D content-- games, movies, wildlife footage, etc. I guarantee you'll be blown away. Wow.

I am away on business for meetings. What is this 3d channel application you are talking about?

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I am away on business for meetings. What is this 3d channel application you are talking about?

Hit the "Home" button on the remote and go to Applications, All Applications, and scroll down until you see "3D" in gold and blue letters. I believe the application is called "Sony 3D World." It's probably some of the best 3D material I've seen-- especially the cherry blossom video under the "Nature Clips" category.
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Hit the "Home" button on the remote and go to Applications, All Applications, and scroll down until you see "3D" in gold and blue letters. I believe the application is called "Sony 3D World." It's probably some of the best 3D material I've seen-- especially the cherry blossom video under the "Nature Clips" category.

Thanks. I am still exploring my set and did not notice or know about this. Can't wait to get home tomorrow evening and check it out! Thanks again!

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What is all the tvs channel list features? I mean ive been changing channels with my dvr for as long as i remember.. Is there anyway to use those features with my dvr?
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I wonder if this TV will support H.265 or if even the new models coming out next month will.
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What is all the tvs channel list features? I mean ive been changing channels with my dvr for as long as i remember.. Is there anyway to use those features with my dvr?

If you're tuning television channels with your cable box, this portion of the TV menu will not offer you anything. I ran a separate (raw) cable feed to the television, using the UHF "F" connector at the back of the set. Remember those connectors, they were very popular back in the 1900's.

I get all the over-the-air high def (and regular def digital) channels as unscrambled signals from Comcast; they're legally required to provide local broadcast stations (Must Carry Law) without the need of a cable box. Having this also gives me a second tuner for Picture in/by Picture feature.

You can do a similar split, then run the digital tuner scan on the TV. I was able to find the compressed channel designation for the stations, so for example, I get NBC local station at 5.1, but also at 81,577 etc.

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Based on the pictures of the 850 and the fact that it uses active vs. passive, it seems like it is just the 900a (non 2k) version but with 4k. The 900a 55" that is 1080p has all the features of the 4k set minus it being a 4k panel and the 900a 55" uses adaptive 3d.

I did try out some 3d on the 55" 900a (non-2k) and it was pretty good, but now that I seen the passive 3d on the 4k models, I prefer it so much more. It will be interesting to see what other changes the x850 has. My fiancée and I were not fans of he speakers on our 65x900, but once we decided to still get it and set it up on our TV stand we have grown to love the looks. Since my receiver does not pass through a 4k signal, I had to direct connect my computer into it's own HDMI and the use the TV speakers for audio and I am shocked at how good they sound. Even when the HDMI 2.0 firmware comes out, I will stick with going direct connect until I buy a new receiver that has 4k passthrough and/or wait for a receiver that has HDMI 2.0 as well.

Has there been any hint on when the HDMI 2.0 firmware will possibly hit?

The IFA statement said the end of 2013. But from what I understand the HDMI 2.0 AVR's won't be out until next year, but this could speed that up.

Really not looking forward to buying a new HDMI 2 AVR. I just got the one I have now which does 4K pass through/upscaling.
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The IFA statement said the end of 2013. But from what I understand the HDMI 2.0 AVR's won't be out until next year, but this could speed that up.

Really not looking forward to buying a new HDMI 2 AVR. I just got the one I have now which does 4K pass through/upscaling.

I just returned the Pioneer SC-72 I bought for exactly that reason, I figured I could wait a while longer for that upgrade. I'm not sure if it matters because of the lack of physical media, but I was also going to wait to see if Oppo comes out with a player with HDMI 2.0 as well.
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The IFA statement said the end of 2013. But from what I understand the HDMI 2.0 AVR's won't be out until next year, but this could speed that up.

Really not looking forward to buying a new HDMI 2 AVR. I just got the one I have now which does 4K pass through/upscaling.

My Denon 4520 has 4K upscaling. But since it only has HDMI 1.4, isn't it still limited to 30fps? My bet is that we will see a new Oppo soon that includes both 4K upscaling and HDMI 2.0. Using dual HDMI connections, the Oppo video signal could be run directly to the display, with the second HDMI connection carrying lossless audio to the AVR. Upscaled 1080P Blu-ray, Netflix, etc. at 60fps will look pretty good, I bet. And given that Oppo usually prices their players around $500, this sounds like a relatively inexpensive option while we are waiting for AVR's that support HDMI 2.0. In addition, for those who currently have either the Oppo BDP93 or BDP103, the resale value is remarkably good.
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I wonder if this TV will support H.265 or if even the new models coming out next month will.

Good question that I didn't see answered in Sony's presentation or press release.
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The IFA statement said the end of 2013. But from what I understand the HDMI 2.0 AVR's won't be out until next year, but this could speed that up.

Really not looking forward to buying a new HDMI 2 AVR. I just got the one I have now which does 4K pass through/upscaling.

FWIW, most AVR manufacturers weren't planning on HDMI 2.0 for next years' models. I imagine they'll scramble to get a few, but they'll probably only be in the upper end models.

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FWIW, most AVR manufacturers weren't planning on HDMI 2.0 for next years' models. I imagine they'll scramble to get a few, but they'll probably only be in the upper end models.

 

AFAICT, this is only an issue if we start getting true 4K content from sources other than the Sony puck.  Until then, we will be up converting 1080p content in the display, most likely.  Or am I mistaken?

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Is there a list somewhere to see what 4K movies are available? My media player is sitting on the couch next to me waiting for my TV to be delivered on Monday. I switched from the Samsung to this TV for the content.
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Is there a list somewhere to see what 4K movies are available? My media player is sitting on the couch next to me waiting for my TV to be delivered on Monday. I switched from the Samsung to this TV for the content.

I don't think there's a site for listing 4K content at the moment.

This article was in Variety this morning:

http://variety.com/2013/digital/news/sony-4k-tv-internet-video-service-will-bump-into-bandwidth-caps-1200598969/
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So the avr and blu ray player needs to be updated for hdmi 2.0...Hopefully it will be a firmware update. My avr and oppo costed me over 1k 2 years ago, couldnt say ill upgrade yet because my tv seems just fine as is..
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The Oppo thread guys feel that an upgrade to 2.0 for Oppo players is unlikely until late 2014.  I asked Oppo directly but have not received a reply yet.

 

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The players are designed for upscaling to 4K, not playing back true 4K media. For this reason there will not be a refresh that will allow for 4Kx2K at 60Hz. This is a hardware limitation and is not something that we can just enable through firmware.

 

 

 

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AFAICT, this is only an issue if we start getting true 4K content from sources other than the Sony puck.  Until then, we will be up converting 1080p content in the display, most likely.  Or am I mistaken?

No, you're right about it not being "necessary" until then, but who wants to buy an AVR knowing it is coming?

There are several factors to the question of whether or not it's necessary. 1080p Blu-Ray content usually isn't above 30 frames, so that doesn't matter even out of a 4K upconvert BD player. There really aren't any other devices on the market that provide content, other than the Sony X1. Also, the Sony X1 has a separate audio-only out for just this reason. I don't think it will stop people from wanted 2.0 in their AVR's though. My fear is that AVR manufacturers will not be clear about their specs. They'll still say they have 4k passthrough, since it will technically be true, but will fail to mention HDMI 2.0 until they have it. If they don't offer it next year, it could be a slow year for AVR sales. There are already a lack of new features for 2014 anyway. A pending shift in HDMI technology is not going to help. Here's to hoping they can do some quick work and get this into the models that are currently in development.

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That is exactly what happens. It down converts to 2 channel PCM. My GPU has HDMI, Display Port, Digital DVI and DVI. I wonder if I use a DVI to HDMI adapter and send that to the TV for the video and use the standard HDMI to the receiver for audio would work?


Can anyone confirm whether these sets pass 5.1ch back to the AVR through ARC? Or is optical the only option for that? My X1 movies have had some weird matrixing issues, and I suspect that may be the issue.
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Just previewed the set at Modia. Stunning. On the fence, but rapidly loosing my balance...eek.gif
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Not sure you will need an Oppo or other blu-ray players to do HDMI 2 since we watch most movies at 24fps and don't need 60fps. But might be helpful for an AVR to have it in order to watch sports in 4K at 60fps.
Right now 30fps just doesn't work for fast movement.
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I went ahead and ordered the 65". It will be delivered next Wednesday. As soon as it is installed (I will be wall-mounting), I plan on doing a CalMAN 5 calibration, after which I will share the results here. I'm getting excited already!
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I went ahead and ordered the 65". It will be delivered next Wednesday. As soon as it is installed (I will be wall-mounting), I plan on doing a CalMAN 5 calibration, after which I will share the results here. I'm getting excited already!

Pls ! Mine is also coming on next Wed ! Pls share the calibration setting to us !
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Mine is also coming on next Wed !

I'm guessing you've both ordered the 900 model?
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I watched some of the NFL game on NBC (Comcast 1080i) last night, first network football game with A-team coverage.

I thought it looked very good on the 65". Any comments about the picture quality of the broadcast? Do you get networks in (i) or (p)?
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I'm guessing you've both ordered the 900 model?

Yes. I decided not to wait for the 850 because of the active vs. passive 3D difference.
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Will the CalMAN 5 results be the rec709 standard? I thought these TV's had a wider color gamut and would be able to output better colors....
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