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Anyone have lip sync problems? I have an Oppo 103 and a Onkyo 709. I was watching the new Star Trek movie (stupid lens flare all over the place) and adjusted the audio sync but I didn't finish the movie. Next day the audio was out of sync again. It's been like that since I've had my 65" UHD. I'm going back n forth between the receiver and the Oppo making adjustment but their is something is always off the next time.
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Strangely, I happen to be watching that Blu-ray right now, on an Oppo BDP93, through a Denon 4520, to the X900. No lipsync issue at all. FYI, the Oppo is outputting 1080p/24. And the Denon's up-scaler is set to off.

I don't think the Sony is the issue.
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Anyone have lip sync problems? I have an Oppo 103 and a Onkyo 709. I was watching the new Star Trek movie (stupid lens flare all over the place) and adjusted the audio sync but I didn't finish the movie. Next day the audio was out of sync again. It's been like that since I've had my 65" UHD. I'm going back n forth between the receiver and the Oppo making adjustment but their is something is always off the next time.

I had the same problem with the 103. Update to newest firmware on the oppo and rest to factory defaults after
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Getting close to purchasing a 900X. I have seen 4K content at Best Buy. Obviously stunning. Just got back
from BB Magnolia to give it one last look and decide between 55 or 65. Had them run Time Warner Cable
1080i signal and I was underwhelmed. I've read lots of reviews where people love the upscaled HD Cable
and say it is better on the 900X than any prior Sony HD. Sure, the stores set is not calibrated. Did a few
tweaks to the settings and it still did not look great. My 4 year old XBR8 looks better with my RCN HD Cable
provider. HD cable is 95% of what I watch. What am I missing? Will HD Cable look much better with proper
calibration?

I really want this display, and hope to get a picture that's at least as good, if not better than I have now.
Any input is appreciated. Thanks!
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You are asking a difficult question, hoping to hear an answer that will justify a rather expensive purchase. My previous display was a Sony XBR52-HX909, which had a stunning picture (and still has, because it is in the bedroom now).

Comparing the HX909 to the XBR65-X900, I really need to comment on several types of content.

- HD satellite broadcasts. Up-scaled 1080i content quality is really all over the place. Live broadcasts like news shows, late night talk shows, etc. have a stunning picture on the X900. Other program sources produce mixed results, depending on the quality of the broadcast. Up-scaling to 4K can't turn a crappy picture into a good one.

- OTA broadcasts. Same comments as above. Since OTA doesn't have the same compression as satellite and cable, OTA can have a really good picture in 4K.

- Blu-ray and DVD movie content. A good Blu-ray, played on a good player like the Oppo, looked stunning on the HX909 in 1080p/24. It looks equally stunning on the X900. Does it look better? The difference, IMO, is subtle.

- Native 4K content. Stunning PQ, if you can find the content. Measurably better than anything I have seen before.

So how does one justify being an early adopter of 4K technology at a relatively high price of entry? I think the answer is the fact that the PQ on the X900 is at least as good as the best sets available today, and in some cases, given a high-quality source, will have better PQ. And you will be buying into the future, because as more 4K content becomes available, you will be in a position to take advantage of it. And with the promised upgrade to HDMI 2.0, the X900 seems to be protected from immediate obsolescence.
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Thanks Austin Jerry, That's a fair assessment. Appreciate the input. I guess the issue for me is that my HD cable
provided content looks no worse on the X900 than my old display. I get that the upscaling won't make a bad input
look amazing. It's just that the Time Warner cable looked so bad in the store, that it spooked me. Here in NYC, it may be that TWC is not as good as RCN, FIOS or Cablevision. Don't know for sure. Can anyone in NY comment on how local HD cable looks on the X900? And, specifically how do sports broadcasts look?

On another note, will the expected firmware update to HDMI 2, make HD Cable provided content better?
Or, does that not apply here in terms of source frame rate? My technical knowledge is limited. There is lots to learn.

Thanks!
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I have a high end PC Gaming Rig that would use it plenty! RIght now, I can run everything at 4k resolution, but locked at 30fps until the 2.0 update is released.

What video card and connection are you using? I have a GTX 690 (which does not have HDMI out) and a GTX 680 (which has HDMI but I'm not sure if it supports 4K).....
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Last I checked, that was not clear.  AUO has the license to make panels using the FPR technology.  There seems to be a lot of conjecture about the Sony panels because until very recently, only LG was making the FPR panels (even for Panasonic).  And even that is conjecture.  Further, LG originally stated that FPR was only applicable for IPS displays.  That's no longer.  If anyone can find exactly who makes what, I'd surely appreciate it.

BTW: The high end LG panels are not guaranteed IPS either.  Only Panasonic guaranteed the IPS business.  It's all a disaster of confusion out there: don't base anything on "this panel maker is inferior" (or superior) should you hear it.

I've heard that the 55" X9 panel is this one, which is Chinese in origin: http://www.panelook.com/MT5461D01-1_CSOT_55_LCM_overview_19211.html
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Thanks Austin Jerry, That's a fair assessment. Appreciate the input. I guess the issue for me is that my HD cable
provided content looks no worse on the X900 than my old display. I get that the upscaling won't make a bad input
look amazing. It's just that the Time Warner cable looked so bad in the store, that it spooked me. Here in NYC, it may be that TWC is not as good as RCN, FIOS or Cablevision. Don't know for sure. Can anyone in NY comment on how local HD cable looks on the X900? And, specifically how do sports broadcasts look?

On another note, will the expected firmware update to HDMI 2, make HD Cable provided content better?
Or, does that not apply here in terms of source frame rate? My technical knowledge is limited. There is lots to learn.

Thanks!

I don't think any content is going to look worse on this set, compared to what you have now. It is quite possible, actually probable, that the set you auditioned in the store was not properly calibrated. When you get your new set, make sure you pay attention to its settings. The link in my signature is probably a good starting point.

I don't have cable, I get my HD broadcasts from DirecTV, and from a off-air antenna. Both offer excellent PQ on good-quality broadcasts. I was watching a couple of football games yesterday, and the PQ was stunning. Boardwalk Empire on HBO was top-notch as well.

HDMI 2.0 will not improve PQ of cable broadcasts. The new standard will allow 60fps, vs the current max of 30fps. Standard television does not exceed 30fps, and Blu-ray is only 24fps. IIUC, the only content that currently uses 60fps is content from computers, like a HTPC or a high-end gaming system. The new standard allows future content to be delivered at the higher rate, which means PQ will get better as we move forward.
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I use Direct TV because I love baseball and hockey, and I have Comcast cable as well because it comes as part of a phone/high speed Internet package for low dollars. I also use Apple TV, Blu-ray and new to me are the free sample services provided by Sony of Netflix, Hulu, and the Sony 4K material. Yes, 4K is stunning, and all the other inputs look better, including old standard def material. It is always possible to see a lousy image on any TV if the source is weak. Yes, I am usually disappointed with 720p sports. Yes, long shots look awful compared to 1080. I think that the NHL channel is weak on both my sat. and cable... at least lately. Some hockey teams always have better quality on their own channels... like Boston. Some are always weak. It's the same with MLB. Football seems to be more consistent. These observations have been my opinion long before the new TV. Bottom line is I really think our new TV does everything better than anything else. But, you could sit there for days and look at junky transmissions if you were not selective. All of my blu-ray looks spectacular. Old dvds can be pretty nice... I was giving dvds away, but I'm inspired to keep them now. Apple TV has become super fine. Whatever they provide is as good as it can be image-wise. It starts right up and there are no delays as there were when it was new. I think the image is just a little better than sat. and cable... maybe because there is never broadcast issues. My quick look at Netflix and Hulu is impressive, but less pure than Apple. I think that we will continue as before with DTV & Comcast. Whenever I can get a 4K version of something... I will. As it is... I choose sports based upon the quality of the transmission, not my level of appreciation of the match-up. The choices are vast. I just don't look at poor transmissions. My wife doesn't care. She reads books while viewing. But... I think it is safe to say that everything I don't like about images in my TV room have nothing to do with Sony.
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I've heard that the 55" X9 panel is this one, which is Chinese in origin: http://www.panelook.com/MT5461D01-1_CSOT_55_LCM_overview_19211.html

That's my understanding as well.
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That's what has me worried....
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I'm just thinking that's not the very best?
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If you lower the max volume to say 50 will it adjust the curve so max volume is 50?

0-100 is just too much, I find it a pain sometimes as it takes a lot for the tv to get louder, sometimes I figure my xbr2 was louder...
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That's my understanding as well.

Interesting
How do you know that ?
Slight off topic but Do you know what panel the W9 has ?
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Sorry, I have lost the train of thought. What difference does it make what panel any of these sets have?
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Interesting
How do you know that ?
Slight off topic but Do you know what panel the W9 has ?

The panel model number can be seen in the service menu. All it took was a quick Google search to find spec sheets for the panel.

Not sure about the W9.
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The panel model number can be seen in the service menu. All it took was a quick Google search to find spec sheets for the panel.

Not sure about the W9.

My W9 uses panel DQ3Y550LN0101 I have yet to find any information on it though.
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If you lower the max volume to say 50 will it adjust the curve so max volume is 50?

0-100 is just too much, I find it a pain sometimes as it takes a lot for the tv to get louder, sometimes I figure my xbr2 was louder...

Max volume is a governor, not a re-calibration of the scale. It's intended to limit the ear shattering volume your kids might want to set it at to play their music.

I raised the "volume offset" so there is more ride at the lower end of the volume.
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Strangely, I happen to be watching that Blu-ray right now, on an Oppo BDP93, through a Denon 4520, to the X900. No lipsync issue at all. FYI, the Oppo is outputting 1080p/24. And the Denon's up-scaler is set to off.

I don't think the Sony is the issue.

Thanks and that was a coincidence (lol).


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I had the same problem with the 103. Update to newest firmware on the oppo and rest to factory defaults after

Thanks Finchn, I have the latest software installed but did the reset anyway. I put my settings back but didn't get a chance to pop in a movie yesterday (Bears & Steelers game was on) to see if that worked but I'm going to check it out this evening. I read that one of the benefits of HDMI 2.0 is a better type of lip synch control.
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Getting close to purchasing a 900X. I have seen 4K content at Best Buy. Obviously stunning. Just got back
from BB Magnolia to give it one last look and decide between 55 or 65
Just remember, the # 1 reason for buyer remorse is buying the smaller set..........
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Does any one have any bleeding issues on the corners with the black bars for movies? If someone with a set could snap a photo and show us what it looks like that would be very helpful!

Thanks in advance!
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If you lower the max volume to say 50 will it adjust the curve so max volume is 50?

0-100 is just too much, I find it a pain sometimes as it takes a lot for the tv to get louder, sometimes I figure my xbr2 was louder...

Max volume is a governor, not a re-calibration of the scale. It's intended to limit the ear shattering volume your kids might want to set it at to play their music.

I raised the "volume offset"

.......so now it "goes to 11"?


Send this to all your friends! When will this stupidity end? So hysterical: Vertical Video Syndrome --- a PSA.
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Does any one have any bleeding issues on the corners with the black bars for movies? If someone with a set could snap a photo and show us what it looks like that would be very helpful!

Thanks in advance!

I don't have any bleeding issues on the sides/corners. All the clouding I've seen on this set occurs right in front of the ports on the back. I think it's a heat/pressure thing. Of the four sets I've seen, none have had spotlighting.
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.......so now it "goes to 11"?

We were working on 12, but copyright law prohibits it.

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Does any one have any bleeding issues on the corners with the black bars for movies? If someone with a set could snap a photo and show us what it looks like that would be very helpful!

Thanks in advance!

No bleed for me. Watching The Incredibles.

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Yes it will.

•4K@50/60fps, (2160p),
3D 4K at 30 fps
•Up to 32 audio channels for a multi-dimensional immersive audio experience
•Up to 1536kHz audio sample frequency for the highest audio fidelity
•Simultaneous delivery of dual video streams to multiple users on the same screen
•Simultaneous delivery of multi-stream audio to multiple users (up to 4)
•Support for the wide angle theatrical 21:9 video aspect ratio
•Dynamic synchronization of video and audio streams
•CEC extensions provides expanded command and control of consumer electronics devices through a single control point
significantly increases bandwidth up to 18Gbps

HDMI 2.0 does not define new cables or new connectors. Current High Speed cables (Category 2 cables) are capable of carrying the increased bandwidth

Has Sony released any information concerning retrofitting existing sets?
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No bleed for me. Watching The Incredibles.


Thanks for the pics!!!
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I've got a patch of clouding about 10 inches in from the top left speaker on my 55X9, it catches my eye every now and again, mostly on 3D because of how it ramps up the backlight. The spotlighting is much better than my previous 55HX823, although it can still get confused by a darkly-lit 2.35 movie. I watched Cabin In The Woods the other day and the brightness was flicking up/down so much I thought I'd left the Eco sensor on or something.

BUT the screen has no DSE, unlike my previous TV, although that one had no major clouding so it seems I've traded one set of issues for another. Still, they're minor niggles, and when this TV shines, it does so in a majorly kickass way.
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Thanks for the info on your set. Although clouding is an issue I believe with all led TV'S, I feel bleeding is more annoying. As long as there is no flashlight/bleeding on the corners when watching movies than the Sony is 1 step above the Sammy f9000 I have now.
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