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My friend, You are completely wrong !!!

We are a sony dealer for 20 years and I personally install and calibrate and install these Tv's everyday. We received the X850's last week and we think it blows away the X900's all day long. The new Glass is far superior. The motion blur is much much smoother and the picture overall is more realistic and presents itself like the 55W900 which we and many reviewers think is the best LED on the market.

You are getting wowed by the gloss screen which most people don't want as it brings so much unwanted glare and if you have any perpendicular light in the room the gloss panels are not good. The X900 is gorgeous and for the first 4K sony panel it was nice but now its about picture quality and usable panels that fit in everyones room decor.

We are not 100% sure but but we kind of heard that LG produced Sony's passive screens like the 47" models and the XBR900's as well and the picture quality was nice but not awesome. The 55W900 which again is very different than all the other sony tvs we are pretty sure used a Samsung Panel. The 55W900 is active and the new X850's are as well and that panel just seems to be better overall. The smooth image and color uniformity is clean and film like and reminds us of Pioneer Elite Panels.

The X900's look nice but the colors are bleeding heavy red and look a bit fake to us.

I appreciate your enthusiasm and I understand your Girlfriend saying oh yes the X900 looks better but trust me this is the same case for people that walk into best buy and see Samsungs Super bright colors flying off the screen and then they get it home and the motion blur freaks them out and they return the TV.. Samsung has a 30% return rate at best buy on every tv sold. Sony is 5% return. That comes from a Regional Mgr for best buy.

Wait till some people on this forum get their 850's and see what they say..

The Matte Screen is great for any lighting concerns and the overall picture is stunning on the X850. We will be hooking up the 4K server to it next week and I will take some pics and post them.

HDMI 2.0 Standard as well on the X850 !!

Thanks
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Thanks for posting your impressions of the 850, but I think it's out of line to tell someone their impressions (subjective, by the way) are wrong. There's no one TV for every single person. Take me, for example. In my bedroom, which is light controlled with blackout curtains, the X9's glossy screen doesn't bother me at all, and in many ways, holds benefits over a matte screen. The speakers, which others don't like, are perfect for me, because I don't want speakers all over my room. For others, a glossy TV might be a dealbreaker in a living room with a lot of ambient light. That's why Sony put out the 850s while keeping the 900s.

I've also heard (but have yet to test myself, so I can't confirm) that the 850s introduce much greater input lag than the 900. By one measurement, the 850 input lag was nearly double that of a 900. Now, I wouldn't take that as gospel, but it's something to investigate if you're a gamer and leaning towards the 850. Again, different strokes for different folks. A very large portion of people either wouldn't notice or wouldn't care, but for a subset, that wouldn't work for their needs. That's the precise reason I elected the 900 over the Samsung f9000.

Additionally, I'm a little confused by your comments about "heavy red," especially when you say that you have calibrated X9s in the past... On the X9s, the red isn't the problem, the blue is (a direct result of the Triluminous technology). In fact, one of the knocks against this set is that it's nearly impossible to get blues in line, while reds calibrate nicely. So, when you're talking about reds that are "heavy," that leads me to question whether or not you've had substantial one-on-one time with the 900.
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I took some photos of the 55" I havent checked them on the computer to see if they show the banding.

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Thanks for posting your impressions of the 850, but I think it's out of line to tell someone their impressions (subjective, by the way) are wrong. There's no one TV for every single person. Take me, for example. In my bedroom, which is light controlled with blackout curtains, the X9's glossy screen doesn't bother me at all, and in many ways, holds benefits over a matte screen. The speakers, which others don't like, are perfect for me, because I don't want speakers all over my room. For others, a glossy TV might be a dealbreaker in a living room with a lot of ambient light. That's why Sony put out the 850s while keeping the 900s.

I've also heard (but have yet to test myself, so I can't confirm) that the 850s introduce much greater input lag than the 900. By one measurement, the 850 input lag was nearly double that of a 900. Now, I wouldn't take that as gospel, but it's something to investigate if you're a gamer and leaning towards the 850. Again, different strokes for different folks. A very large portion of people either wouldn't notice or wouldn't care, but for a subset, that wouldn't work for their needs. That's the precise reason I elected the 900 over the Samsung f9000.

Additionally, I'm a little confused by your comments about "heavy red," especially when you say that you have calibrated X9s in the past... On the X9s, the red isn't the problem, the blue is (a direct result of the Triluminous technology). In fact, one of the knocks against this set is that it's nearly impossible to get blues in line, while reds calibrate nicely. So, when you're talking about reds that are "heavy," that leads me to question whether or not you've had substantial one-on-one time with the 900.

+1 I agree with you Brian.
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Here is a photo of the 55" x900

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Ive seen the Samsung f9000 and I dont rate it. Personally Im a little board with Samsung style. Also the pixels sparkle to much. its hard to describe to be honest it looks like any other samsung tv until you go up close. I walked past it and didn't even realize it was a UHD/4k tv lol. I even had to take several glances at the sale tag to confirm it was UHD. Plus lets not forget its more expensive.

The 55" X900 is $3600AUS at JBHIFI this weekend.

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The last two days ive spent 1 hour each day starring at the 55" and 65" tvs. I believe the horizontal lines are slightly easier to see on the 55". But it is still beautiful. I choose the 65" because of the lines would be less noticable, its 120Hz compared to 100Hz of the 55" and the extra 10".

You've mentioned this before that the 55" only has a 100Hz refresh rate. I didn't see the refresh rate published on Sony site for either of the teles. I may have missed it in the previous 71 pages of posts, but where did you find this information?
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OK I've got a question.
Just got my Sony XBR-65x850A delivered along with my Sony FMP-X1 4k media server.
TV got set up in minutes.
Media server has been another story. I had to purchase a Netgear extender to gain wired network access. Once I got that set up, I still wasn't able to get it to connect to the TV. I had the TV message "Cannot connect to 4K media player" over and over again, after a 30 second 4k logo intro screen. All the proper lights were on the server. It just wouldn't connect.
What's interesting, I've found that if I just leave everything running, eventually after 1 or 2 hours it connects! And I can view and download the 4K selections just fine.
So I guess my question is, does anyone here encounter this issue, and can you just leave the 4K media server turned on all the time?
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My friend, You are completely wrong !!!

We are a sony dealer for 20 years and I personally install and calibrate and install these Tv's everyday. We received the X850's last week and we think it blows away the X900's all day long. The new Glass is far superior. The motion blur is much much smoother and the picture overall is more realistic and presents itself like the 55W900 which we and many reviewers think is the best LED on the market.

You are getting wowed by the gloss screen which most people don't want as it brings so much unwanted glare and if you have any perpendicular light in the room the gloss panels are not good. The X900 is gorgeous and for the first 4K sony panel it was nice but now its about picture quality and usable panels that fit in everyones room decor.

We are not 100% sure but but we kind of heard that LG produced Sony's passive screens like the 47" models and the XBR900's as well and the picture quality was nice but not awesome. The 55W900 which again is very different than all the other sony tvs we are pretty sure used a Samsung Panel. The 55W900 is active and the new X850's are as well and that panel just seems to be better overall. The smooth image and color uniformity is clean and film like and reminds us of Pioneer Elite Panels.

The X900's look nice but the colors are bleeding heavy red and look a bit fake to us.

I appreciate your enthusiasm and I understand your Girlfriend saying oh yes the X900 looks better but trust me this is the same case for people that walk into best buy and see Samsungs Super bright colors flying off the screen and then they get it home and the motion blur freaks them out and they return the TV.. Samsung has a 30% return rate at best buy on every tv sold. Sony is 5% return. That comes from a Regional Mgr for best buy.

Wait till some people on this forum get their 850's and see what they say..

The Matte Screen is great for any lighting concerns and the overall picture is stunning on the X850. We will be hooking up the 4K server to it next week and I will take some pics and post them.

HDMI 2.0 Standard as well on the X850 !!

Thanks
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thank you for your opinion. 

Please continue to "install and calibrate these tv's" I'm sure you do it well.

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You've mentioned this before that the 55" only has a 100Hz refresh rate. I didn't see the refresh rate published on Sony site for either of the teles. I may have missed it in the previous 71 pages of posts, but where did you find this information?
Thanks.

I saw it on the JBHIFI website. Maybe the Australia TVs are different because of 50p. Our model number here is XBR-55X9004A and the US and every where else appears to be XBR-55X9005A

http://www.jbhifionline.com.au/plasma-lcd-tvs/tvs-led-lcd-52-58/sony-bravia-kd55x9004a-4k-ultra-hd-55-smart-3d-led-lcd-tv/688175
http://www.jbhifionline.com.au/plasma-lcd-tvs/tvs-led-lcd-60-80/sony-bravia-kd65x9004a-4k-ultra-hd-65-smart-3d-led-lcd-tv/688165
http://www.sony.com.au/product/kd-65x9004a

I hope someone can make some sense of this because Im confused?

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opinions on PQ and such are totally subjective, but, after delivery last night of my 65a900, all I can say is OMG...

I've had high end audio/video gear for 25 years, but, I have never seen PQ and depth of color like this TV has...

No lines, no sparkles, no blurring, nothing, just mind numbing awesum pictures...we sit 11 feet away from the set, and the viewing was fantastic.

Having problems getting audio to my AVR from both the media player and the Sony BD player, but I was setting this up late last night, since best buy didnt show up until 6:30pm.
Even though I am running hdmis out for hdmi2 on both the BRay and media player, cant get sound from the AVR; and yes, I made sure I changed the outputs on both to Audio System from "speakers"..
I'm sure I will figure it out..

Anyway, I cant imagine ANYONE not loving the PQ on this set; even Dish Network was fantastic!!
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I can't tell from your post, did you go into the settings on the Media Player and change audio output to HDMI 2? If you have ARC enabled between the AVR and the X900, you might try disabling it as a quick test. And finally, I have an input on my AVR called "TV Sound", which must be selected for ARC. I had to set up a completely different input on the AVR for the Media Player on an unused HDMI input. I don't know if any of this information will be useful for you, but it is what I had to do to get the audio working properly.
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I saw it on the JBHIFI website. Maybe the Australia TVs are different because of 50p. Our model number here is XBR-55X9004A and the US and every where else appears to be XBR-55X9005A

http://www.jbhifionline.com.au/plasma-lcd-tvs/tvs-led-lcd-52-58/sony-bravia-kd55x9004a-4k-ultra-hd-55-smart-3d-led-lcd-tv/688175
http://www.jbhifionline.com.au/plasma-lcd-tvs/tvs-led-lcd-60-80/sony-bravia-kd65x9004a-4k-ultra-hd-65-smart-3d-led-lcd-tv/688165
http://www.sony.com.au/product/kd-65x9004a

I hope someone can make some sense of this because Im confused?

I wonder if they are different in Australia. On the main page for the tele's: http://store.sony.com/c/TVs-LED-LCD-3D-TV/en/c/S_Televisions?SR=nav:electronics:tv_home_video:sony_hdtv:ss in the XBR Best of the Best column it notes they are 120Hz and have the XR 960 Motionflow. If you go to: http://store.sony.com/c/S_4KTV/en/c/S_4KTV and click on the 55" & 65" XBR 4K Ultra HD TV with 65 watt speakers tab it specifically mentions the XR 960 Motionflow with the XBR55X900A, but not the refresh rate anywhere that I can find.

Edit: added additional link.
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I can't tell from your post, did you go into the settings on the Media Player and change audio output to HDMI 2? If you have ARC enabled between the AVR and the X900, you might try disabling it as a quick test. And finally, I have an input on my AVR called "TV Sound", which must be selected for ARC. I had to set up a completely different input on the AVR for the Media Player on an unused HDMI input. I don't know if any of this information will be useful for you, but it is what I had to do to get the audio working properly.

Thanks Jerry, I will check this out a bit later..
do you have any toslink cables connected anywhere on your system?
I have one between the TV and the AVR, and that might be confusing the AVR..

There isn't a "out to AVR" port anywhere on the tv, is there?
I am using hdmi1 for Dish Network, and that is working perfectly with my AVR; I see that hdmi1 has ARC; do any of the other hdmi ports have ARC, or only that one?

thanks again!
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Guys

what is this ???

 

65" Class (64.5" diag) W850A Series LED 

 

it also has the tri-luminous display.

 

I wonder why I did not even know this tv existed?

 

Anyone seen it?

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Summarizing my connections:

 

1.  AVR HDMI Video (satellite, AppleTV, Blu-ray) to X900 HDMI1.  (ARC is not enabled)

2.  X900 audio to AVR using Toslink cable to AVR's "TV Audio" input.  (Used infrequently)

3.  Media Player HDMI1 to X900 HDMI4 (video only).

4.  Media Player HDMI2 to AVR HDMI (audio only).

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Guys

what is this ???

 

65" Class (64.5" diag) W850A Series LED 

 

it also has the tri-luminous display.

 

I wonder why I did not even know this tv existed?

 

Anyone seen it?

 

 

That is the set with Active 3D.  I thought we had already established that you didn't want active 3D, and that you had already ordered the 65X900a.

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Thanks

yes indeed, no active 3d wanted here.

Great, I do not need to see it then.

 

Is still have to see the 4k 84"

This first x9 was for the bedroom.

 

Now the fun starts for the living room.

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Summarizing my connections:

 

1.  AVR HDMI Video (satellite, AppleTV, Blu-ray) to X900 HDMI1.  (ARC is not enabled)

2.  X900 audio to AVR using Toslink cable to AVR's "TV Audio" input.  (Used infrequently)

3.  Media Player HDMI1 to X900 HDMI4 (video only).

4.  Media Player HDMI2 to AVR HDMI (audio only).

 

I am going to try these set ups

 

1. Apple tv, comcast box into OPPO 103

2. Oppo hdmi1 out to Sony 4k

3. Oppo hdmi2 out to Sony sound bar

 

second set up

1. Apple Tv and comcast box into Sony Sound bar hdmi input 1 and 2

2. Oppo 103 into Sony sound bar hdmi 3 input

3. Sound bar hdmi out to sony 4k tv.

 

Third set up

 

1. Apple tv + comcast box + Oppo into back of sony tv.

2. Optical cable out for sound from Sony tv to sound bar.

 

Any comments?

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It is hard for me to imagine audio and video switching without an AVR.  And, while I am being honest, I am not a fan of soundbars.

 

IMO, you need to build a system that delivers an immersive experience.  You have the video part nailed down with the X900 and its passive 3D.  However, "immersion" requires a quality audio system as well.  A soundbar just won't do it.  A better solution would be an AVR with a 5.1 speaker configuration (at a minimum).  If space is an issue, you could get bookshelf-size speakers with one or more good subs.

 

As for how to connect everything without an AVR with HDMI switching, I don't really know.

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It is hard for me to imagine audio and video switching without an AVR.  And, while I am being honest, I am not a fan of soundbars.

 

IMO, you need to build a system that delivers an immersive experience.  You have the video part nailed down with the X900 and its passive 3D.  However, "immersion" requires a quality audio system as well.  A soundbar just won't do it.  A better solution would be an AVR with a 5.1 speaker configuration (at a minimum).  If space is an issue, you could get bookshelf-size speakers with one or more good subs.

 

As for how to connect everything without an AVR with HDMI switching, I don't really know.

 

Most Video Processors will serve as a switching source if all the various components are routed through them. Mine has about 6 HDMI inputs IIRC for example. There is also this:

 

http://www.dvdo.com/Quick6/

 

As well as switching this has other benefits such as Instaprevue or whatever it's called (also found on the latest Onkyos and possibly other AVRs).

 

Totally agree about soundbars. Even a very modest AVR and 5.1 system will just knock the socks of even the very best soundbar IMO. (I do have a soundbar for my living room TV though - I am not against them per se - just for m/ch surround sound sources).

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65" Class (64.5" diag) W850A Series LED 




it also has the tri-luminous display.

I wonder why I did not even know this tv existed?

Anyone seen it?

That is a 1080p TV, not the 4K 65X850A. Maybe you got the W and X series mixed up.

Sometimes I think my brain has a mind of its own.
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I agree that the AVR with speakers is better sound wise. No doubt.

Indeed, in the living room this would make sense.

I really fell in love with the HT7 (7.1) sound bar Sony makes, it's perfect for a master bed room.

I think my wife would kick me out if i started sticking JBL sub woofers under the mattress, Lol!

 

I have an old AVR system in the sitting room, which i need to change anyway. 

If you get the chance to listen to the new Sony sound bar, I would love your opinion though..hope it was not an impulse buy. 

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Here is a photo of the 55" x900

That's so weird... wonder what that is...

I never saw the 55" in person, but those lines look pretty obvious. Part of the benefit of 4K is closer seating distance, so having those lines be visible up close could throw a wrench in that.
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It is hard for me to imagine audio and video switching without an AVR.  And, while I am being honest, I am not a fan of soundbars.

IMO, you need to build a system that delivers an immersive experience.  You have the video part nailed down with the X900 and its passive 3D.  However, "immersion" requires a quality audio system as well.  A soundbar just won't do it.  A better solution would be an AVR with a 5.1 speaker configuration (at a minimum).  If space is an issue, you could get bookshelf-size speakers with one or more good subs.

As for how to connect everything without an AVR with HDMI switching, I don't really know.

I think the Sony sound bar has 3 HDMI inputs with 1 HDMI out and comes with a remote.
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Yes it does have all these HDMI in. Sony urges you to plug everything into the sound bar, then into the tv. (But i'm gonna plug everything into the Oppo, just to spite them)!

 

Quite frankly I was extremely impressed by the sound quality of the Sony HTST7 HD Sound Bar.

 

Definitely better than the Polk Audio Surround Bar 9000 IHT, the  Bose® CineMate® and the Klipsch HD Theater SB 3 Soundbar

 

 

We all know that the best sound comes at a huge price ..I think you can spend hundreds of thousands of dollars for a sound system. I remember having a friend in Europe who kept telling me his $25'000 Cabasse speakers were the best sound ever.

 

I do enjoy music a lot but PQ is primordial. 

I hope my sony sound bar does not scare our cat away!!

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What wattage are these tv's?

I need to put the Oppo + TV + sound bar on a battery backup.

 

I live in Florida and we get so much lightning..

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Summarizing my connections:

1.  AVR HDMI Video (satellite, AppleTV, Blu-ray) to X900 HDMI1.  (ARC is not enabled)
2.  X900 audio to AVR using Toslink cable to AVR's "TV Audio" input.  (Used infrequently)
3.  Media Player HDMI1 to X900 HDMI4 (video only).
4.  Media Player HDMI2 to AVR HDMI (audio only).

Thanks Jerry, got EVERYTHING hooked up, including my outside antenna; MAN, what an awesum picture comes through the antenna; the locals are as good as a top quality Bluray picture!!

Thanks to everyone also who has answered questions, provided pictures, and just been plain helpful. You guys helped make this a fantastic purchase!!

Now, to start the endless task of tweaking everything......
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Thats one of the worst movies in the history of film, so unless you get it for free, dont bother!!
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What wattage are these tv's?
I need to put the Oppo + TV + sound bar on a battery backup.

I live in Florida and we get so much lightning..

TV uses 338w max for 65X900A.

I have TV, cable box, modem and router on a Belkin 1100 UPS

I need to replace batteries every 18 months.
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