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post #2881 of 11300 Old 10-20-2013, 09:26 PM
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I replaced 55XBR8 with 65XBR900A. I thought the XBR8 was perfection... but I was wrong. No, the new TV is more pleasing in every way. I prefer the glass surface. It's easier to dust. It becomes a sculpture when it's off... the reflection makes it a black mirror surface when it's off. When it's on, the reflections disappear. DSCF0505.jpg 64k .jpg file TV on 4K 103k .jpg file
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Hey thank you! Do you watch any sports? Is there motion blur given the 120 Hz?

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Thanks..yep latest upgrades included...2,0
The Panasonic TX-L65WT600

Its high on my list and I have been a Sony guy forever.

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Hey thank you! Do you watch any sports? Is there motion blur given the 120 Hz?

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I have no issue that the set is 120hz. I watch American Football and do a lot of gaming. There is a little bit of motion blur on Xbox but that is to be expected. I have no issue with sports though.

If you are worried maybe encode a clip off the net and bring it in on a USB stick to test at the store.
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Try the Real 3D passive glasses they use currently in Regal Cinemas.
I find them better than the Sony's own for large glasses.

The real 3d glasses are the best.

They are even better than the Oakleys.

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Hey thank you! Do you watch any sports? Is there motion blur given the 120 Hz?

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it is not too bad, but pans across the team bench on CBS OTA were blurring quite badly. from a distance the pans were much better.

 

if you are going to bring something to test, bring a Blu-Ray with several action scenes and pans both distant and up close.

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it is not too bad, but pans across the team bench on CBS OTA were blurring quite badly. from a distance the pans were much better.

 

if you are going to bring something to test, bring a Blu-Ray with several action scenes and pans both distant and up close.

 

Have you noticed improvement using any of the MotionFlow settings?  I currently have this option set to Off.

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I adjusted both motionflow and cinemotion using each combination, during 2 football games and the nascar race. nothing proved better than having both off. When I found a scene with blurring, I kept replaying it with different settings from my TIVO. When I get some time I am going to find some scenes on Blu-Ray and do the same thing. It is very time consuming to say the least.

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Try the Real 3D passive glasses they use currently in Regal Cinemas.
I find them better than the Sony's own for large glasses.

Please explain how they are better. I'd like to try them myself.
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Does anyone know if simulated 3d works on 4k content?

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I adjusted both motionflow and cinemotion using each combination, during 2 football games and the nascar race. nothing proved better than having both off. When I found a scene with blurring, I kept replaying it with different settings from my TIVO. When I get some time I am going to find some scenes on Blu-Ray and do the same thing. It is very time consuming to say the least.

My experience has been the same. Fortunately, I don't find the motion blur any worse than my HX909.
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Does anyone know if simulated 3d works on 4k content?

I can only comment on 4K content from the Media Player (which, other than a HTPC, is the only 4K content, AFAIK).

When playing a 4K clip from the Media Player, the menu for 3D is not available, so there is no way to invoke simulated 3D. Does this answer your question?
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Thanks..I am weighing heavily on the Panasonic TC-L65WT600 for that reason. I don't want to see any motion
blur when spending $6000 and it seems that this Pioneer model is up
to speed with 2.0 and other latest devices. Now to see one live.


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Thanks..I am weighing heavily on the Panasonic TC-L65WT600 for that reason. I don't want to see any motion
blur when spending $6000 and it seems that this Pioneer model is up
to speed with 2.0 and other latest devices. Now to see one live.


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The type of motion issues we are talking about are inherent in LED/LCD technology. I suspect that the Panasonic is not going to be any better. However, to be clear, the motion "issues" of the Sony are very minor, and in no way detract from what is otherwise a very good PQ.

And it has nothing to do with HDMI 2.0. There is nothing that takes advantage of 2.0 today, and the Sony will get an upgrade to 2.0 in the near future.
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Hey everyone. Potential buyer here of the 65". Im primarily an HTPC gamer and HDMI 2.0 is of paramount importance to me (for 4k @ 60hz). From what I understand thus far, the panel ships with HDMI 1.4 inputs, but some have been able to contact Sony and get these physically upgraded to HDMI 2.0. Is this correct?

Further, I could have sworn that I read somewhere that Sony has plans in place to somehow update HDMI inputs on all panels to HDMI 2.0 via a firmware update (thus, no physical upgrade needed). I could have also sworn that I read that this is already in place and available to download now. Any truth to this at all?
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Yes correct on the 2.0. Thanks on the motion blur answer. I have a Sony XBR 8 and Im sure If I look hard enough i can spot it.

I will check the Panasonic out when i can and see what it looks like.

Is there any new Sony 4k model coming out that would be worth waiting for or just order the current If i decide

another Sony is the way to go?

Thank you,

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Yes correct on the 2.0.

Thanks, but correct on which part? The physical upgrade or the firmware update?
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Hey everyone. Potential buyer here of the 65". Im primarily an HTPC gamer and HDMI 2.0 is of paramount importance to me (for 4k @ 60hz). From what I understand thus far, the panel ships with HDMI 1.4 inputs, but some have been able to contact Sony and get these physically upgraded to HDMI 2.0. Is this correct?

Further, I could have sworn that I read somewhere that Sony has plans in place to somehow update HDMI inputs on all panels to HDMI 2.0 via a firmware update (thus, no physical upgrade needed). I could have also sworn that I read that this is already in place and available to download now. Any truth to this at all?

The board swap was to address an HDCP issue that was required for the 4K Media Player, and had nothing to do with HDMI 2.0. We have heard that Sony will issue a firmware update that will enable HDMI 2.0 in all 4K sets before the end of this year, which seems to indicate that the units already contain the hardware to support the new standard once the software development has been completed.
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The board swap was to address an HDCP issue that was required for the 4K Media Player, and had nothing to do with HDMI 2.0. We have heard that Sony will issue a firmware update that will enable HDMI 2.0 in all 4K sets before the end of this year, which seems to indicate that the units already contain the hardware to support the new standard once the software development has been completed.

Perfect! Thank you very much for this answer. Clears everything up.
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There are a slew of 4K tvs coming out in 2014. 2 cheapos from China, TCL and Seiki (both 65) and are priced at 3Grand but these 2 sets will not have many of the features of the major manufacturers such as motion flow and up scaling technologies. I don't believe Sony has any new entries for 2014 until all the standards are finals such as codec H.365. IMO Panasonic has the best PQ, slightly better than Sony from what I have seen at BB and more important they are future proof right out of the box. The only issue for me with the Sony is the glare and reflection on the glass.I get a headache after watching the Sony for 15 mins. THe thing I like about the Panny from the 4K demo, it appears U R looking out of a window, it's so natural. With the Sony, U know U R watching a TV due to the glass( you see reflections), don't get me wrong, the colors are fantastic on the Sony but the Panny has it beat.
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There are a slew of 4K tvs coming out in 2014. 2 cheapos from China, TCL and Seiki (both 65) and are priced at 3Grand but these 2 sets will not have many of the features of the major manufacturers such as motion flow and up scaling technologies. I don't believe Sony has any new entries for 2014 until all the standards are finals such as codec H.365. IMO Panasonic has the best PQ, slightly better than Sony from what I have seen at BB and more important they are future proof right out of the box. The only issue for me with the Sony is the glare and reflection on the glass.I get a headache after watching the Sony for 15 mins. THe thing I like about the Panny from the 4K demo, it appears U R looking out of a window, it's so natural. With the Sony, U know U R watching a TV due to the glass( you see reflections), don't get me wrong, the colors are fantastic on the Sony but the Panny has it beat.

Not if you want passive 3d which is the only real difference in picture quality between HD and 4k sets....
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Would anyone be able to test the input lag in Graphics mode?

On the W9 graphics mode was a little lower so maybe that's the case with the x9 too.

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Yeah I need to see the Panasonic as that is what I have heard..

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Motion issues not related to 2.0 or lack thereof.

Here is some comment from an amazon post regarding the Sony 4 k..

However be aware that this, and many other early 4K Ultra HD Tv's are running HDMI 1.4. It's worth noting is that the current HDMI 1.4 limit of 24 fps in 4K is also in 8-bit color. Ultra HD is expected to bump that up to 10 or 12-bit. With the faster 60 fps rate, twice the data throughput will be needed to push all that -- something HDMI 1.4 simply cannot do. Long story short, wait on this one and get a new set later this year after the HDMI 2.0 standard push for a purchase that will last. Even more so if you intend on using the display as a computer monitor.
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Best Buy will be exchanging my X850 for the X900. I already have surround sound in my living room, but I just wont use the tv speakers. Very excited for all of this and can't wait to see the differences.
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Does anyone know if simulated 3d works on 4k content?

I must be on ignore. I've already mentioned this twice, and the answer is still NO.
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Motion issues not related to 2.0 or lack thereof.

Here is some comment from an amazon post regarding the Sony 4 k..

However be aware that this, and many other early 4K Ultra HD Tv's are running HDMI 1.4. It's worth noting is that the current HDMI 1.4 limit of 24 fps in 4K is also in 8-bit color. Ultra HD is expected to bump that up to 10 or 12-bit. With the faster 60 fps rate, twice the data throughput will be needed to push all that -- something HDMI 1.4 simply cannot do. Long story short, wait on this one and get a new set later this year after the HDMI 2.0 standard push for a purchase that will last. Even more so if you intend on using the display as a computer monitor.

That's not the first time I've read something about how the higher bit-depth etc will pose a problem for Sony's set specifically, but people don't seem to be aware that the actual bandwidth of HDMI 2.0 itself will have issues regarding a 4K signal that has high frame rate AND higher bit-depth AND better chroma subsampling. It won't max it out, but it won't leave a great deal of room for the (up to) 32 channels of audio that are noted in the 2.0 spec, not to mention any interactive features and other odds and ends.

Joe Kane sums it up well in the video below: we can either have conventional frame rates with more bits and better colour, or higher frame rates with conventional Blu-ray-standard bit-depth and subsampling. Seeing as the Sony 4K TVs on display at IFA were using some voodoo magic to run 2160p60 (albeit 8-bit 4:2:0, i.e. Blu-ray level colour) thru HDMI without them being officially designated as HDMI 2.0, I honestly don't think that we X9 guys have anything to worry about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2PGJbaGfc4

Personally, I think that UHD Blu-ray will be somewhere between the two stools so as not to create the two-tier level of UHD video mentioned above. I'm praying that 10-bit will be there, but the subsampling I'm not too worried about. If it's 4:2:0 then so be it, although 4:2:2 would be nice.
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The type of motion issues we are talking about are inherent in LED/LCD technology.
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Thanks..I am weighing heavily on the Panasonic TC-L65WT600 for that reason. I don't want to see any motion
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If you read the Panasonic web site carefully it says---The next generation 4K 60p input designed based on HDMI 2.0 specification offers a wide range of high-definition connectivity. It doesn't say it is an HDMI 2.0 set.

Not sure if that is significant. Are they are playing with words and trying to give that impression?
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Anyone care to share their experiences with the download speeds of 4K content off the video unlimited service? Currently downloading Body Heat and has been fluctuating between 10.1Mbps and 12Mbps for almost two hours, per Settings/Download Speed. Movie is 25% downloaded so looking at approximately 8 hours. This on a 50Mbps Cox connection that is testing at between 55-65Mbps on speedtest.net. Anyone have any luck verifying higher download speeds and/or getting close to their rated ISP download speeds? Just curious if issue might be on my end or if the Sony servers are only capable of roughly 12Mbps output. Don't seem to have any network speed issues otherwise...just curious...
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