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Samsung UN55F9000, UN65F9000, and UN85S9 models should be out at the end of July. These units are said to be back lit, full array with local dimming. Of course that will make for a nice price tag.

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These do look like the first serious attempt at bringing a future proof 4K display. Samsung 4K sets are the only ones easily upgradeable to HDMI 2.0 for 4K@60hz or higher, with their "EVO" kits. Samsungs are the only 4K with FALD (Full Array Local Dimming) with 864 "blocks" on the 65" for Precision Black Local Dimming. Most other 4K sets are crippled to 4K@30hz and only offer edge-lit local dimming that causes banding and uniformity problems. The 65" looks like it will street around $7500.
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If only they had went with passive 3D instead of sticking with active. Any way, the 55" and 65" will be worth checking out.
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If only they had went with passive 3D instead of sticking with active. Any way, the 55" and 65" will be worth checking out.

I noticed the new Sharp 4K LC-70UD1 went with active 3D as well, despite 4K being perfect for the superior passive 3D. I wonder if the reported "blank lines" problems of other 4K passive 3D sets is the reason.
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I noticed the new Sharp 4K LC-70UD1 went with active 3D as well, despite 4K being perfect for the superior passive 3D. I wonder if the reported "blank lines" problems of other 4K passive 3D sets is the reason.

There is a post in the Sony 55" & 65" thread that suggest that in their case only the 55" is experiencing blank or black lines as the panel used is different from their 65" set. If the Samsung does indeed have full array and local dimming that would easily overcome the lack of passive as long as it has the brightness for 3D that Sony and LG 4k owners are reporting. If I had my choice, I'd have a 75" set with passive 3D and FALD (lol). Samsungs Evo Kit is also another weight in their favor on the scale of choice.
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Not sure I buy that. I could see the lines on the 84" during a "Spider-Man" trailer as well, and I was quite a ways back. I'm not sure I'm convinced the 1080p in both eyes dream on a 4K set is reality.
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If only they had went with passive 3D instead of sticking with active. Any way, the 55" and 65" will be worth checking out.
Passive is better, but personally I could care less about 3D.
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I have the 81f Samsung led full local dimming. this is still a great tv and one of the first led tv. I am hoping I can afford the new 4k local dimming led tv after all these years.
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Anyone come across pre-order info, be sure to post it.
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Samsung UN55F9000, UN65F9000, and UN85S9 models should be out at the end of July. These units are said to be back lit, full array with local dimming. Of course that will make for a nice price tag.

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Chris, can you confirm that the UN55F9000 and UN65F9000 are full array local dimming?
I've read that the UN85S9000 is, but can not finding any information that the 55" and 65" are.

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Is there any proof that these sets will be "FALD".. I cant seem to find any

Also Im skeptical to them being "FALD", especially if they want to keep them at a reasonable price or at least competitive with the other 4k sets(Sony/Sharp). If you notice Samsungs with FALD 85" is 40k vs Sonys 84" is 25k.
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Is there any proof that these sets will be "FALD".. I cant seem to find any

Also Im skeptical to them being "FALD", especially if they want to keep them at a reasonable price or at least competitive with the other 4k sets(Sony/Sharp). If you notice Samsungs with FALD 85" is 40k vs Sonys 84" is 25k.


http://www.soundadvice.com/Samsung-F9000-Series-65-UHD-TV-UN65F9000-P6008.aspx

Go down to the part were it says Micro dimming with 65" having 864 "blocks" or zones.
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Microdimming is done through processing... Not the physical lighting itself.... Such as the current f8000 model which has micro dimming ultimate with precision black local dimming.... It'll have the same lighting as the f8000 which is edge led with local dimming
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The F9000 is listed at 39.5mm thick (1.555118 inches).....that is very, very slim for a full array local dimming set...

A UN 65F8000 is nearly the same (38.4mm) but the 9000 is a hair thicker, so something is going on there!!!
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The F9000 is listed at 39.5mm thick (1.555118 inches).....that is very, very slim for a full array local dimming set...

A UN 65F8000 is nearly the same (38.4mm) but the 9000 is a hair thicker, so something is going on there!!!

My Sharp Elite 70" is ~ 2 inches thick. ~ 1 7/8 " if no protective edge on the basel.
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http://www.soundadvice.com/Samsung-F9000-Series-65-UHD-TV-UN65F9000-P6008.aspx

Go down to the part were it says Micro dimming with 65" having 864 "blocks" or zones.
I hope this is not the case, but I fear it is and that is why above I choose my words wisely, "These units are said to be back lit, full array with local dimming."
Micro dimming is nothing like back lit, full array with local dimming. Not even close. In fact it will turn out to be just another edge lit unit if it has Micro dimming. Micro Dimming does very little........if anything at all.
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Not bad, but I'd prefer a 75" Ultra HD TV, (why nothing between 65" and 84"???).
I'd also prefer it to be a plasma display instead of LCD/LED...we need better color, motion control, black levels, shadow detail, off axis viewing, etc.

But other than that, bring 'em on, lower the price, and let's see how the cards fall with UHDTV over the next five years or so! smile.gif

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The F9000 is listed at 39.5mm thick (1.555118 inches).....that is very, very slim for a full array local dimming set...

A UN 65F8000 is nearly the same (38.4mm) but the 9000 is a hair thicker, so something is going on there!!!

It does seem to thin for full array set, but the un85S9 dispaly that is FALD uses the same "Micro Dimming Ultimate with Precision Black Local Dimming" term for its back lighting. I guess we will have to wait and see.

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It does seem to thin for full array set, but the un85S9 dispaly that is FALD uses the same "Micro Dimming Ultimate with Precision Black Local Dimming" term for its back lighting. I guess we will have to wait and see.


Oh, I agree with you.....I am of the mind this is indeed a FALD set......as was mentioned earlier in the thread, Pioneer FALD LEDs are ~2 inches thick and those are 2 year old TVs.....Samsung are the 'kings of thin' and their engineering prowess is world class in terms of LED TV tech, IMO
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Not bad, but I'd prefer a 75" Ultra HD TV, (why nothing between 65" and 84"???).
I'd also prefer it to be a plasma display instead of LCD/LED...we need better color, motion control, black levels, shadow detail, off axis viewing, etc.

But other than that, bring 'em on, lower the price, and let's see how the cards fall with UHDTV over the next five years or so! smile.gif

You and me Mad. Size wise, it looks like we'll be settling for less than we would like. I've said many times that I have a 65" now but would like to move to at minimum a 75" set. I've heard nothing about 4k and plasma and am curious as to what the story is. I've never had a LCD/LED TV for main viewing and am paying close attention to these 4k sets that are out and coming out.
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You and me Mad. Size wise, it looks like we'll be settling for less than we would like. I've said many times that I have a 65" now but would like to move to at minimum a 75" set. I've heard nothing about 4k and plasma and am curious as to what the story is. I've never had a LCD/LED TV for main viewing and am paying close attention to these 4k sets that are out and coming out.

Well put jbug!
You and me are certainly on the same page here...I think eventually as 4K 'rolls out' further, we'll see some plasma displays above 65"...I hope!

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Well put jbug!
You and me are certainly on the same page here...I think eventually as 4K 'rolls out' further, we'll see some plasma displays above 65"...I hope!

Sharp has a 70" announced as coming out this summer but 5 inches for another grand or so is not worth it to me. I hope the Samsung 65" is FALD. That and the Evo kit would easily tip the scales.
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It does seem to thin for full array set, but the un85S9 dispaly that is FALD uses the same "Micro Dimming Ultimate with Precision Black Local Dimming" term for its back lighting. I guess we will have to wait and see.
Great, another "new" play on words to "think" you are getting back lit, full array with local dimming set but you actually are not.
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DIGI times has an article on Samsung going to full array local dimming. I have the LG LV9500 full array local dimming which has 2300 led's and 280 zones.
The LG is really thin and I am sure Samsung can do the same as LG.
Owning the Samsung 81F(09/2006) full array local dimming tv has made me think, how good will a 4K local dimming tv from Samsung be?
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^^^ I guess we will have to wait for these to be released then, seems as if we have multiple sources that are saying two different things........
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DIGI times has an article on Samsung going to full array local dimming. I have the LG LV9500 full array local dimming which has 2300 led's and 280 zones.
The LG is really thin and I am sure Samsung can do the same as LG.
Owning the Samsung 81F(09/2006) full array local dimming tv has made me think, how good will a 4K local dimming tv from Samsung be?

If you can, please post a link to the DIGI article. Does it say that they are referring to their upcoming UHD sets?
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It's been a few CESes since we've seen a "world's biggest" something, and while the Samsung UN85S9 doesn't have the world's biggest 4K (UHD) screen this year, it does practice a bit of one-upmanship on the LG competition by being a whole inch bigger. U8XITThe 65-inch Samsung 65F9000, and the 55-inch Samsung 55F9000 will be available to pre-order over in Japan from June 1st next month, and Samsung have even included pricing.
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Saw this set at Paul's TV in Irvine, Ca. If slightly under 40 G is o.k. for you it's available. Still I have to admit that it did seem to be the best 4k TV I have seen. Unfortunately they did not have the sony 84 inch set there to compare but my memory seemed to tell me that this set was better. It is on a huge stand that seems to allow it to rotate. I was able to get right up to it and could NOT see the pixels. It just seemed to be brighter and generally better then the Sony. Unfortunately it was a weekend and all of the sales people were busy so I can not tell you if it is full array or anything else about it for that matter. They had a 65 inch Sony near and it was better even though bigger. Must be something about the set that causes it to be three times the price of the one inch smaller 5k sets. If I get a chance I will go back during the week and hope to get a salesman with some knowledge.
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