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This is the 1st TV that I've watched 3D on so I'm no expert but I thought Avatar & 300 Rise of Empires looked pretty good.
I should also clarify that I don't have a problem w/ Direct TV, just that it seems that some channels look better than others & that's probably the case w/ all cable/sat. providers.
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This is the 1st TV that I've watched 3D on so I'm no expert but I thought Avatar & 300 Rise of Empires looked pretty good.
I should also clarify that I don't have a problem w/ Direct TV, just that it seems that some channels look better than others & that's probably the case w/ all cable/sat. providers.
Yeah, the HD quality coming from the channel providers varying tremendously. And of course some DirecTV channels are still SD.
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In 2000, I bought a 43' Toshiba. It wasn't HD so in 2003 I upgraded to a Mits 65611. Beautiful picture but sure was big (340 lbs). It died in May of 2009 so I got a Mits 73737. I really have enjoyed this set & now have it in my cave. This May I talked my wife into letting me get the M801d.
We may have been separated at birth. I had the Toshiba 43H70, then a Mitsu 65315, then a Mitsu 73727, which was replaced by the Vizio M801d-A3. I rid myself of the Vizio (see previous posts in this thread). So, want to know what your next TV purchase will be?
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We may have been separated at birth. I had the Toshiba 43H70, then a Mitsu 65315, then a Mitsu 73727, which was replaced by the Vizio M801d-A3. I rid myself of the Vizio (see previous posts in this thread). So, want to know what your next TV purchase will be?
I had a Hitachi 50" CRT RPTV (don't remember the model number) for nine years, then a Mits 65413 for ten years (great picture after the glare screen was removed and a little adjustment) and now I'm the very pleased owner of the M801d. When I'm ready to replace it, hopefully we'll have glasses free 3D 8k OLED available in the 90 to 100 inch range at about the same price point (or, more likely, we'll all have inexpensive and comfortable VR headsets by then).
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I can't see myself getting a smaller TV. My original plan was to get the Mits 92 DLP but sadly they are out of the TV business.
I'll probably do what Joseph is going to do. I have just enough room for a 90. That would probably be a awfully tough sale w/ the wife though. Maybe I'll go to a 84. It will have to below $4g or I'll never get the all clear sign.
Hopefully this Vizio will last 5 or 6 years.
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I can't see myself getting a smaller TV. My original plan was to get the Mits 92 DLP but sadly they are out of the TV business.
I'll probably do what Joseph is going to do. I have just enough room for a 90. That would probably be a awfully tough sale w/ the wife though. Maybe I'll go to a 84. It will have to below $4g or I'll never get the all clear sign.
Hopefully this Vizio will last 5 or 6 years.
It's amazing how rapidly larger becomes the new normal. When my wife and I married in 1973 (we both robbed the cradle), we streeeetched our budget to buy an 18" Magnavox for a little over $200. Today you can get a Vizio 60" fald for less money (adjusted for inflation).
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We may have been separated at birth. I had the Toshiba 43H70, then a Mitsu 65315, then a Mitsu 73727, which was replaced by the Vizio M801d-A3. I rid myself of the Vizio (see previous posts in this thread). So, want to know what your next TV purchase will be?
Did your Sharp get replaced?
I was following that thread and thought I saw you had a line going through right side of screen or something.
Never saw a resolution post.
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Never saw a resolution post.
No resolution yet. It hasn't recurred since the day I posted. I've already talked to Sharp, and they said to let them know if it comes back. We'll see.
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Yeah, I'm in the same boat. Got it from Costco about a month ago because of the 3 month return period to see if I could love it or would need to shell out much more for one of the Sony, Samsung, LG or Panasonic 4K sets in this size range. I have not seen "pop" from the picture either, despite trying most of the posted settings here. It's not bad, it's just meh. I have the additional problem of coming from 65" plasma sets which I still use in other rooms. And by comparison, I just can't get comfortable with the picture so far. When I view my plasmas I feel like I am seeing a smaller version of what I saw in the theater. When I view the Vizio I feel like I am seeing a more washed out version that was re-shot with video cameras (and this is true even with the motion enhancement and other processing effects set to Low or Off -- though with off motion is really bad with this set). For native (i.e. not movies) TV content and animation, the sharpness of the LCD is an improvement. But for movies or high end shows shoot to look like movies -- i.e. everything on HBO, etc. -- it's distracting. Perhaps it wouldn't have been if I hadn't been used to plasma, but I am.

The "pop" you are talking about is a bit of a different, but related issue. It is really a collective function of how good the black levels are (which improves contrast which contributes to the perception of "pop", and how accurate the colors are -- though pop can also be achieved through overly saturated colors too). Neither of these is a strong suit of this Vizio.

My problem though is I am not sure how much better the far more expensive sets will be for me or if my issue is having been spoiled by plasma. And since it takes calibration to really know, I'm not sure seeing demos in the store will really answer that. I am reluctant to give the Vizio up -- I really like the UI, the amount of picture customization settings, my screen doesn't have any major light bleeding issues, no banding etc. -- to play the panel lottery with the other brands, all of which seem hit and miss on whether you get a good panel or bad panel.

So really undecided. I have another couple months so I probably will live with it another month before making any decisions. Good luck with yours.

I am glad that someone else also shares the same concerns. Its been a month but now I feel that I am used to the 80" that I don't know if i will be able to go down to a 70" the next alternative is the 75 inch samsung from costco but is only 200 less and does not have 240hrtz or 3d, so this vizio 80" is a good bang for the buck, but don't know if I can live with the issues that are popping up.

Now i have a lip sync issue, the frustration is that i have a vizio sound bar and i though they would play nice with each other but every time i turn the tv on , i have to turn the sound bar off and switch back on to adjust the lip sync issue, can someone recommend how to fix this?

Also, i may not be using the right picture settings, someone care to share some setting for for the updated firmware 1.34 version.

Also, you are right it feel washed out, I want to watch stuff on this tv but i keep going to my bedroom to watch on my lg.

I even tried to put the setting that i have on my lg to see if that makes any difference, i know i know different tv so that would not work.

does this have an IPS panel?

if you were to return this, which other tv are you considering (model no.)
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I am glad that someone else also shares the same concerns. Its been a month but now I feel that I am used to the 80" that I don't know if i will be able to go down to a 70" the next alternative is the 75 inch samsung from costco but is only 200 less and does not have 240hrtz or 3d, so this vizio 80" is a good bang for the buck, but don't know if I can live with the issues that are popping up.

Now i have a lip sync issue, the frustration is that i have a vizio sound bar and i though they would play nice with each other but every time i turn the tv on , i have to turn the sound bar off and switch back on to adjust the lip sync issue, can someone recommend how to fix this?

Also, i may not be using the right picture settings, someone care to share some setting for for the updated firmware 1.34 version.

Also, you are right it feel washed out, I want to watch stuff on this tv but i keep going to my bedroom to watch on my lg.

I even tried to put the setting that i have on my lg to see if that makes any difference, i know i know different tv so that would not work.

does this have an IPS panel?

if you were to return this, which other tv are you considering (model no.)
The top contender I am considering if I don't keep this is the Sony 79" 900B. Just hitting stores now. It's a massive cost upgrade from the Vizio though. A 4K set. Also considering the 4K sets from the Samsung (HU9000, curved screen) 78", and 79" LG UB9800. All of these will cost more than double the Vizio. I am not really interested in the TV's in the same price range of the Vizio. There's really just the Sharp's, both the 1080P 650 and the new UQ17 that will run you $4-5K depending on where you get it. That one is pseudo 4K.

I don't know whether the Vizio is an IPS panel. Since it uses passive 3D it may be. Viewing angles also see okay, which is typical of an IPS. But IPS panels always have a reputation for color accuracy which is not the strong suit of this Vizio.
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The top contender I am considering if I don't keep this is the Sony 79" 900B. Just hitting stores now. It's a massive cost upgrade from the Vizio though. A 4K set. Also considering the 4K sets from the Samsung (HU9000, curved screen) 78", and 79" LG UB9800. All of these will cost more than double the Vizio. I am not really interested in the TV's in the same price range of the Vizio. There's really just the Sharp's, both the 1080P 650 and the new UQ17 that will run you $4-5K depending on where you get it. That one is pseudo 4K.

I don't know whether the Vizio is an IPS panel. Since it uses passive 3D it may be. Viewing angles also see okay, which is typical of an IPS. But IPS panels always have a reputation for color accuracy which is not the strong suit of this Vizio.
Those 4k sets at that price range is out of my budget, I was able to get rid of the lip-sync issue by using the Game pic setting.

I will go out and check a few other tv, I am kinda biased towards the LG, just because of how easy it is to use the remote, the different types of codecs that they support (mkv etc) and the pic quality overall, I think the vizio is not bad at all for the price, but i need to find the right setting to get that little pop.

Do most of you use cool, computer or normal color temperature?
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Normal. If you haven't tried them, there are several postings in this forum and in the M series razor forum by people who have used various tools to adjust their sets in the 1.34 firmware. PlayNice (who has an M801d) and Ursa99 (who has a 60 inch) have used calibration equipment on their sets. Many of the members have used their settings with success. Both of them posted settings for the old firmware and then later for the new firmware after the update. Since panels can vary, YMMV as usual. Good luck.
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..... I was able to get rid of the lip-sync issue by using the Game pic setting......
but what's special about starting out in 'Game' presets if you change any other settings? Is 'lip sync' handled differently in the setting of audio? Does it make a difference what 'preset' you start making changes from?
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I've had this set for 2.5 weeks now, and have actually read through all 1117 posts to see if anyone has posted about a problem I've had - a subtle constant flickering in the picture. I saw one post that mentioned it and that set was replaced. Mine is being replaced as well, with the new set arriving next week.

Having said that I will say my initial impressions of this set are pretty positive. The picture out of the box was pretty frightening, but I did a quick calibration with one of the several calibration settings that have been posted here, and got a more than reasonable picture. I'm coming from an Epson 5010 projector and a 120" screen, and the clarity of this picture is much better.

One thing I've done is use a Darbee Darblet visual engine, and for those who haven't experienced one, the difference in picture quality is pretty significant.

I also wanted to comment on viewing distances. Based on THX recommendations, we sat 12' from our 120" screen, to get their recommended viewing angle. In moving into a new house, with a smaller Media room, we decided to try a viewing distance of 8' from this 80" screen, to maintain the same viewing angle. That has worked just fine, with no visible pixels, at least with the Darbee.

So my fingers are crossed that the new set will work without issue. If so we will be quite happy, at least until we can get an 80" 4K OLED set for $3K!
Does this 'flickering' you talk about go from what looks like a normal picture to a slightly fuzzy/slightly brighter pixels and then back to normal picture...and the sequence just repeats and repeats like that? Mine started doing that today, and I'm wondering why. Hopefully it will go away, but I have the square trade if it needs replacement....anybody know about this or experienced this?
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Hey guys I've been reading guys thread for a while but can't really find anyone else with my problem, I got the tv yesterday, I am happy with it especially after tinkeringwith picture settings,
My problem is when I watch Netflix or anything for that matter , when there is a black screen it looks to have white blotches on the screen, I don't notice it at any other time only when it's a very dark screen, white blotches, at first I thought it was a reflection from my lights but turns out they are still there, someone please help, btw I got mine for only $2500 brand new lol
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Hey guys I've been reading guys thread for a while but can't really find anyone else with my problem, I got the tv yesterday, I am happy with it especially after tinkeringwith picture settings,
My problem is when I watch Netflix or anything for that matter , when there is a black screen it looks to have white blotches on the screen, I don't notice it at any other time only when it's a very dark screen, white blotches, at first I thought it was a reflection from my lights but turns out they are still there, someone please help, btw I got mine for only $2500 brand new lol
Does it happen with other sources beside Netflix?
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Hey guys I've been reading guys thread for a while but can't really find anyone else with my problem, I got the tv yesterday, I am happy with it especially after tinkeringwith picture settings,
My problem is when I watch Netflix or anything for that matter , when there is a black screen it looks to have white blotches on the screen, I don't notice it at any other time only when it's a very dark screen, white blotches, at first I thought it was a reflection from my lights but turns out they are still there, someone please help, btw I got mine for only $2500 brand new lol
Dark scenes only? The only response I have for you is welcome to the world of Edge-Lit LED televisions! It's just something you'll have to deal with, that is, if you decide to keep it. It's been my only complaint about this set until recently, now i have something else going on (see above post). $2500 is a great price, but if i were you and just buying right now, i'd wait for the full-array's to hit the shelf. Obviously, they won't be selling at that price point, but i'd pay a grand more to not have to deal with the dark scene flash-lighting crap.....just my opinion....return it and wait a couple months......
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Hey guys I've been reading guys thread for a while but can't really find anyone else with my problem, I got the tv yesterday, I am happy with it especially after tinkeringwith picture settings,
My problem is when I watch Netflix or anything for that matter , when there is a black screen it looks to have white blotches on the screen, I don't notice it at any other time only when it's a very dark screen, white blotches, at first I thought it was a reflection from my lights but turns out they are still there, someone please help, btw I got mine for only $2500 brand new lol
What you are describing sounds most a lot like what people here call ""clouding" or "flash lighting." Or perhaps you have read about the level of "uniformity." Most LCD sets have this issue to varying degrees, though it varies widely not just from brand-to-brand and model-to-model but individual panel-to-panel within the same product line. So if you replaced it, it might be better or might be worse and will almost certainly be different.

Even if you bought a high end 4K panel for twice or three-times as much you may see this issue. FALD panels largely but not completely correct this. It is not an issue with plasma, but that's a moot point now.

But here's the core question -- if you only notice in on almost completely black screens, does it really matter? My panel has this pretty bad and when I ran it through test slides it bugged me. But I never notice it with real content so I got over it.

Also, it became much, much less noticeable when I reduced the backlight level in the picture settings. By default they put the backlight at 100, but it really should be no higher than 50 anyway to be properly calibrated.
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What you are describing sounds most a lot like what people here call ""clouding" or "flash lighting." Or perhaps you have read about the level of "uniformity." Most LCD sets have this issue to varying degrees, though it varies widely not just from brand-to-brand and model-to-model but individual panel-to-panel within the same product line. So if you replaced it, it might be better or might be worse and will almost certainly be different.

Even if you bought a high end 4K panel for twice or three-times as much you may see this issue. FALD panels largely but not completely correct this. It is not an issue with plasma, but that's a moot point now.

But here's the core question -- if you only notice in on almost completely black screens, does it really matter? My panel has this pretty bad and when I ran it through test slides it bugged me. But I never notice it with real content so I got over it.

Also, it became much, much less noticeable when I reduced the backlight level in the picture settings. By default they put the backlight at 100, but it really should be no higher than 50 anyway to be properly calibrated.

Thanks I appreciate the responses, I guess it's something I can live with, I just wanted to make sure I didn't have a defective tv, I will try minimizing the backlight, again thanks
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Oh one last question, does anyone know what page I can find the best picture calibration in this thread, sorry for my laziness, I feel like I have gone through every page and could not find it
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Oh one last question, does anyone know what page I can find the best picture calibration in this thread, sorry for my laziness, I feel like I have gone through every page and could not find it
page 36, post #1062 from Playnice. I believe playnice is the only person to have posted full picture settings for the latest firmware with the full CMS for the 80". And he used a full light meter and calman software like the calibrator you would pay to come to your house. All that said, every individual panel is differently. Playnice has two sets and got different results. So it will probably help your set but it won't necessarily be its full potential.
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Borrowing settings does not calibrate your tv, even if they come from a tv that was truly calibrated with meters and software. At best, you'll be making hopefully accurate adjustments. Each and every tv has component tolerance differences so what looks good on one, may look like crap on another, but it doesn't mean there is anything wrong with your tv. If you find settings that you are happy with that's great. If not, you'd be best to pick up a calibration disk and adjust your own basic settings (contrast, brightness, sharpness, aspect, and color) for your own tv and viewing environment. It won't be a calibration but it may be all you need.
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Thanks, that makes sense, I wanted to try someone else's settings in hopes that it would look good on my tv. BTW I've been looking for an update firmware option but can't find it, is it only sent by vizio randomly, I'm on version 1.34, actually my tv may have updated itself, I thought yesterday it said 1.24,
I've heard the remote sucks on this tv but I can point anywhere even behind me and it still controls the tv
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Borrowing settings does not calibrate your tv, even if they come from a tv that was truly calibrated with meters and software. At best, you'll be making hopefully accurate adjustments. Each and every tv has component tolerance differences so what looks good on one, may look like crap on another, but it doesn't mean there is anything wrong with your tv. If you find settings that you are happy with that's great. If not, you'd be best to pick up a calibration disk and adjust your own basic settings (contrast, brightness, sharpness, aspect, and color) for your own tv and viewing environment. It won't be a calibration but it may be all you need.
I agree in principle but a couple points:

1) It doesn't hurt to try other people's settings and see if you like them. At the end of the day if it looks better than the alternative to your eye, you've improved your situation.

2) With these Vizio's that have terrible color accuracy and now a very detailed CMS with the newer firmware, it's not really possible to get very accurate with just a disc but no meter. I spent a couple hours with the Spears & Munsil disc on my panel but my color was still pretty far off. I used playnice's settings and while I am still not thrilled with the picture settings, they were better than what I got with the calibration disc for my panel.

The pro/con of the Sony panels is they don't have a full CMS, even their super expensive sets, but they consistently have more accurate color out of the box. With a full CMS, short of a pro calibrator or, like playnice, your own meter and calman or equivalent software and some experience, its going to be hard to get accurate color if the plane didn't come that way.

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Thanks, that makes sense, I wanted to try someone else's settings in hopes that it would look good on my tv. BTW I've been looking for an update firmware option but can't find it, is it only sent by vizio randomly, I'm on version 1.34, actually my tv may have updated itself, I thought yesterday it said 1.24,
I've heard the remote sucks on this tv but I can point anywhere even behind me and it still controls the tv
For reason known only to Vizio that has been the source of much speculation and a fair amount of venting here -- rightly so -- Vizio does not let you "pull" the firmware update on your own. You have to wait for their servers to decide to send it to you, usually when the set is connected but off. Some people have in the past waited months while others go it. But lately most have received within a week or so. Some have had success calling Vizio and trying to get on a list to receive a push but with mixed results.
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I agree in principle but a couple points:

1) It doesn't hurt to try other people's settings and see if you like them. At the end of the day if it looks better than the alternative to your eye, you've improved your situation.

2) With these Vizio's that have terrible color accuracy and now a very detailed CMS with the newer firmware, it's not really possible to get very accurate with just a disc but no meter. I spent a couple hours with the Spears & Munsil disc on my panel but my color was still pretty far off. I used playnice's settings and while I am still not thrilled with the picture settings, they were better than what I got with the calibration disc for my panel.

The pro/con of the Sony panels is they don't have a full CMS, even their super expensive sets, but they consistently have more accurate color out of the box. With a full CMS, short of a pro calibrator or, like playnice, your own meter and calman or equivalent software and some experience, its going to be hard to get accurate color if the plane didn't come that way.
I agree. I didn't say not to use another's settings just be wary that if you don't get what you want or expect, it's due to the component tolerances and not necessarily your tv. I've seen way too many people stress over their tv, even to the point of returning it, because the "killer settings" that one person posted doesn't look right on their set. Using a disk to adjust your tv is also a great learning tool to understand how the various settings work together because it's not just plugging in some numbers and you're done. There's a considerable amount of going back and forth between settings to get the overall pq just right. A lot of folks who look for free settings don't understand that. And, there are some tv's who just can't be adjusted much beyond what comes out of the box because of lower quality components, poor QC, or tolerances that are just too wide.
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Does this 'flickering' you talk about go from what looks like a normal picture to a slightly fuzzy/slightly brighter pixels and then back to normal picture...and the sequence just repeats and repeats like that? Mine started doing that today, and I'm wondering why. Hopefully it will go away, but I have the square trade if it needs replacement....anybody know about this or experienced this?
No - The flickering is more like a "blink" - every few seconds. It seems to calm down after a few minutes, but never completely goes away. Vizio is replacing the set and the new set arrived last Wednesday at the shipper, but the shipper can't deliver for another week - go figure that one out!
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No - The flickering is more like a "blink" - every few seconds. It seems to calm down after a few minutes, but never completely goes away. Vizio is replacing the set and the new set arrived last Wednesday at the shipper, but the shipper can't deliver for another week - go figure that one out!
Is possible to record it with a video camera like your mobile phone?
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I don't understand the logic paying thousands for a tv but don't buy a calibration disc of some sort. I've used my WOW disc (easiest) and the Spears&Munsil disc (more complicated) on many tv's to good results.
Along with finding your own settings I would also suggest a couple additional things. Just because the disc says these are your optimum settings doesn't mean that is what you should use. But if you do stray from the calibrated settings resist the temptation to make big changes. And give it time. The Vizio is nice in that regard as you can create up to eight custom settings to experiment with. My Samsung plasma only had a couple which made it more time consuming.
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No - The flickering is more like a "blink" - every few seconds. It seems to calm down after a few minutes, but never completely goes away. Vizio is replacing the set and the new set arrived last Wednesday at the shipper, but the shipper can't deliver for another week - go figure that one out!
When I "blinks" does it show the input status as if you changed resolution or inputs? If so it may be a deep color issue. Make sure all you components have true support for deep color. I had an old receiver that supported deep color however it did not support deep color at 1080p60, it only supported 1080p24. When I had 1080p60 material the screen would blink.
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