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I'm so excited for this set.



-4K 60p Input
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The official page says it supports "4K 60p input" but doesn't say if it can actually display 3840x2160/60p. Any confirmation anywhere one way or another? Sony's specs for the X850A doesn't list that display mode either. If that's going to be a major video standard in the next couple of years, it seems like a waste to buy such an expensive tv now that can't display it.
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The official page says it supports "4K 60p input" but doesn't say if it can actually display 3840x2160/60p. Any confirmation anywhere one way or another? Sony's specs for the X850A doesn't list that display mode either. If that's going to be a major video standard in the next couple of years, it seems like a waste to buy such an expensive tv now that can't display it.

Well the Panasonic site does state "4K 60p" many times(not just in the input part). It's much easier than saying the exact resolution. I would hope they are not being coy and hiding facts in semantics.
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The Panasonic rep said expect a delivery of the set around Mid-October.

Looks like the set will be released in 5 weeks or so. I wonder if that's a real date or just the current company line.
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The official page says it supports "4K 60p input" but doesn't say if it can actually display 3840x2160/60p. Any confirmation anywhere one way or another? Sony's specs for the X850A doesn't list that display mode either. If that's going to be a major video standard in the next couple of years, it seems like a waste to buy such an expensive tv now that can't display it.

The Panasonic website lists the display resolution as 3840x2160.

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Seems that everything short on the Sony may have been addressed here, I wonder how the motion is...
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I hated the Sharp 4K

 

I HOPE THIS ONE IS GOOD.

 

i currently own the sony x9 ...which is awesome...Hope the panasonic is just as good.

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What is a 4k web browser?

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I guess its edge lit as well?
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I wonder if this unit can handle 1080p60 stereoscopic 3D, that is 60fps per eye, for a total of 120fps. I have been waiting for this for a long time. The specs so far only say 3D capable without any indication of image size or frame rate.
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Let me know when you get them in stock.
I'll give you a regular tv watching human being review in trade.smile.gif
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The local best buy here in SF has this set on display...it looks very impressive. Didn't really play with it much but I will next time.
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does anyone know if this set is edge lit? both the web site and the manual say just led backlight.

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does anyone know if this set is edge lit? both the web site and the manual say just led backlight.

Yes, this is edge lit. The only full array 4k LED is from LG.
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Yes, this is edge lit. The only full array 4k LED is from LG.


thanks, where did you find this information?

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thanks, where did you find this information?

As of right now, there are only 3 FALD 4K displays the 55" and 65" LG 9700 series and the 85" Samsung S9. The thing is, the LG are reported to be like their last 1080p FALD sets, in that they are not that impressive with their micro dimming . The Samsung is imressive, but it costs $40K. If you need to pick a 4K set right now, which is a bad idea with all the changes coming, I would say the Panasonic is your best bet.
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Sytech, can you please elaborate on what "all the changes coming" means? I don't keep up on all the industry happenings and I am just curious.

Sometimes I think my brain has a mind of its own.
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Yes, this is edge lit. The only full array 4k LED is from LG.
It is a big drag that this is true, I wonder why the LG does not get more love, especially considering the full array panel.
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It is a big drag that this is true, I wonder why the LG does not get more love, especially considering the full array panel.


the LG I've seen, although full array, had the same inconsistencies on high contrast scenes as the edge lit panels from the other manufacturers. Think of the end of a movie, the screen goes black (all is well), the credits begin to roll from the bottom, and the whole screen brightens very noticeably. There are also problems when there is a very dark scene with a small bright area, at least 1/8 of the screen around the bright area has a flashlight effect. LG's implementation of full array lighting and local dimming pale in comparison to some of the Samsung and Sony offerings with FALD.

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Sytech, can you please elaborate on what "all the changes coming" means? I don't keep up on all the industry happenings and I am just curious.

If you read around the various forums, you can see the display market is in unprecedented state of translation. You have the current best tech plasma being quickly phased out. You have OLED barely inching to market because of poor yields and unanswered performance problems, and you have the sales leader LCD, switching from 1080p to 4K resolution. Along with that you have have the change over to new connections like HDMI 2.0, Display Port 1.2 to handle the higher data rate. Even this Panasonic only has one HDMI 2.0 port, the rest are 1.4. You would need to upgrade you AVR to HDMI 2.0 as well. Also, most UHD material will likely be using the new HEVC h.265 codec. The LG are the only ones with built in support for HEVC h.265, however I would expect the new 4K blu-ray players at CES this year will be able to decode streamed h.265 as well. Don't know if the will be a difference in quality between built in decoding and decoding by an external box. If you don't need a display right away, the best bet would be to wait it out for a year and see which standards are put in place.
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It is a big drag that this is true, I wonder why the LG does not get more love, especially considering the full array panel.

Well other than a very small number of reviews (which were not actually negative at all from the ones I read), I haven't seen any concrete info on the LG sets other than people speculating based on previous models from LG. The "official" owner's thread for the 4k LG sets is very quiet with apparently no owners, so until someone has actually sat down and done a real comparison between it and Sony, Panasonic, and Samsung we will not know how it ranks.

I'm surprised there hasn't been a recent shootout review comparing all the latest 4k sets, and the current reviews I have read don't cover all that many topics that seem important to people around these forums anyway...here is what I want to know about all the current sets, some I have found from reading through forums others remain unanswered (my understanding of the answer included as well):
  • playing 4k content from USB (do the sets with USB 3.0 have a major advantage here?) - Sony: no, Panny: yes, Samsung: only via a hack of splitting UHD file, LG: ??
  • playing 4k content via network streaming - Sony: only with sony media server, locally NO, All others: ??
  • glare on the screen, pic quality effect from glare/matte screen - Sony X900: more glare but better contrast, X850: less glare, not as vivid., Samsung: looked fine to me in store, Panny: looked ok to me also, LG: ??
  • local dimming/black levels performance. - Sony, Pana, Samsung: ok but has usual edge lit panel issues, LG: ?? has FALD but no real info yet on performance
  • passive vs active 3D performance on these specific sets - I've read mixed responses from people in various forums, seems like personal preference. I'd really like to compare sets directly and see what I prefer. I have an older LG with passive 3d and from what i see if it had full 1080p (which 4k sets would get) it would look good
  • native app 4k support (browser, youtube etc) - Sony/Samsung: No, Panasonic: yes, LG: ??
  • 4k support for picture viewing from usb and/or network share (ideally from network) - All models: ??..I think I read the Sony can via some PS3 software, unclear if the PS3 s/w can see network shares (dnla share etc) or just usb/SD/CF/local pics
  • HDMI 2.0 support, now or in future - Pana: Yes now, Sony: coming via firmware, Samsung: coming via hardware component swap out, LG: just word they are thinking about it

If the manufacturer's are listening and want to send me one of each set I'll be more than happy to do a full feature comparison of all sets smile.gif

Seeing as that is unlikely, maybe the Panasonic owners can help answer some of these relating to this set...
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