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I happen to look at the Sony site and found new XBRs listed today.

http://blog.sony.com/press/sony-launches-worlds-first-4k-ultra-hd-video-download-service-and-expands-4k-ultra-hd-tv-line/

http://store.sony.com/c/S_4KTV/en/c/S_4KTV#footnotes
http://store.sony.ca/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?storeId=20153&langId=200&catalogId=100803&identifier=S_TV_4K
http://store.sony.ca/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?langId=200&storeId=20153&facetlist=true&N=4294950606&catalogId=100803&identifier=S_Televisions&categoryId=8198552921644783501&viewTaskName=CategoryDisplayView&navigation=Category

Looks like this TV would suit potential owners viewers who don't want the speakers which the 950A has.
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I see it has HDMI 2.0 support now, wonder if the input lag is better than the previous 4K models... guess we have to wait until it's actually available.
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The model without the speakers is going to be active 3d, I wonder why the switch over to active 3d for the speaker-less model. Now all I need is a receiver with HDMI 2.0
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Big ups for Sony to be the first to implement 2.0 HDMI. and without the big ears option. It says with an easy firmware update, wouldn't it need a hardware HDMI update board?

Damn spoke too soon, Panasonic is coming out with HDMI 2.0 4K too! This is getting good.

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I actually ordered the 900A last week, then called right back to cancel, as I did not want the on panel speakers.

I will be ordering this one next month.

I am glad I waited for the active 3D and USB 2.0, as I have SOny's newest ES receiver as well.
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I actually ordered the 900A last week, then called right back to cancel, as I did not want the on panel speakers.

I will be ordering this one next month.

I am glad I waited for the active 3D and USB 2.0, as I have SOny's newest ES receiver as well.

Active 3D killed this TV for me. I don't need a headache. My eye doctor agreed.
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I literally just bought a 65X900 on Monday. Had the X850 been available then, I likely would have gotten that instead, as I don't like the speakers since I'll be using a surround sound system anyway, so they are useless to me. And the wife does not like the looks of the speakers. I bought from a Sony Style store, and I am considering returning to get the 65X850 instead.

A few questions:

- The 65X900 has glass across the front, which does reflect lights. My previous 50W3000 had a "matte" finish to the screen and so did not reflect lamps I the room. Does anyone know how the X850 screen will be coated? From the pictures, it looks like it does not have the glass across the front that the X900 does, as the surface of the screen appears to be somewhat inset from the case of the TV (unlike on the X900 which is flush all the way across.

- How will the passive 3D of the X900 compare to the Active 3D of the X850? I am confused as to why they would change systems between the two models. I have to say that I do prefer the lighter build and the much cheaper price of the Passive glasses, but I am wondering how the quality of the 3D effect will compare between the two systems.
Both sets include 4 pairs of 3D glasses. This is interesting for the X850 as that is worth $200, while for the X900 that is only worth $40!
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The X900 series feature OptiContrast Panels. The X850 feature Deep Black Panels. So there will be a difference between the two.

I'm only guessing but it probably has to do something with money. Either it costs more for passive over active, or they are trying to make more money by selling optional active 3D glasses. I doubt people would buy optional passive 3D glasses. Meanwhile the only active glasses that will work are Sony active 3D glasses.
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The 55 HX850 is a very good 2D TV with a picture that is so good that I purchased a second HX850 - the 46 inch version.
I would still recommend the HX850 with one caveat. We can't use the 3D. Sony's 3D should be labeled as a "beta." I would not have been so disappointed if I had been warned. I tried it and lost. The 3D was interesting for one short viewing, but the active glasses were uncomfortable to wear & bothered my eyes. Perhaps, they would have been OK if I had 20-20 vision & did not have to wear my corrective eyeglasses. Sony graciously allowed the return of its glasses and gave me a credit. For practical purposes, I am now the owner of 2 very good 2D TVs.

I purchased a 55 HX850 after reading the early Amazon reviews. The positive reviews about that TV were correct as were the negative comments about Sony support.

Both the 55 HX850 & 46 HX850 have superb pictures & appearance. The 2D picture is so good that it appears to have some qualities of 3D.

Excellent picture with nice appearance. CNET concurs. See its evaluation.

I was so irritated by the treatment from Sony Support (up to National Customer Relations) that I received that I went out and bought a 46 inch Samsung for another room, but its picture was very poor when compared to the HX850. Therefore, I returned the Samsung. I plan to keep the HX850 as my primary TV until 4K arrives. For another room, I bought its 46 inch version.
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If Sonys typical through the year price reductions hold true with these models. The 55" will be $700 cheaper and the 65" $1000 cheaper by February.
By net Summer there will be another price reduction. I'm going to wait awhile.
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The 55 HX850 is a very good 2D TV with a picture that is so good that I purchased a second HX850 - the 46 inch version.
I would still recommend the HX850 with one caveat. We can't use the 3D. Sony's 3D should be labeled as a "beta." I would not have been so disappointed if I had been warned. I tried it and lost. The 3D was interesting for one short viewing, but the active glasses were uncomfortable to wear & bothered my eyes. Perhaps, they would have been OK if I had 20-20 vision & did not have to wear my corrective eyeglasses. Sony graciously allowed the return of its glasses and gave me a credit. For practical purposes, I am now the owner of 2 very good 2D TVs.

I purchased a 55 HX850 after reading the early Amazon reviews. The positive reviews about that TV were correct as were the negative comments about Sony support.

Both the 55 HX850 & 46 HX850 have superb pictures & appearance. The 2D picture is so good that it appears to have some qualities of 3D.

Excellent picture with nice appearance. CNET concurs. See its evaluation.

I was so irritated by the treatment from Sony Support (up to National Customer Relations) that I received that I went out and bought a 46 inch Samsung for another room, but its picture was very poor when compared to the HX850. Therefore, I returned the Samsung. I plan to keep the HX850 as my primary TV until 4K arrives. For another room, I bought its 46 inch version.

The TV's you purchased are the 2012 model year sets KDL-55HX850 and KDL-46HX850. Not to be confused with the new XBR models referenced in this thread, the XBR-65HX850a and XBR-55HX850a, which feature 4K Ultra HD resolution and have the TRILUMINOS display.

Could Sony have made their 2013 model nomenclature any more confusing?
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The TV's you purchased are the 2012 model year sets KDL-55HX850 and KDL-46HX850. Not to be confused with the new XBR models referenced in this thread, the XBR-65HX850a and XBR-55HX850a, which feature 4K Ultra HD resolution and have the TRILUMINOS display.

Could Sony have made their 2013 model nomenclature any more confusing?

I think you added an extra "H" to this year's models...
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I think you added an extra "H" to this year's models...

What the H? Right you are! My bad.
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no opticontrast frameless display like the 950A... that is very disappointing. looks like it lost more than just the speakers.
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My previous 50W3000 had a "matte" finish to the screen and so did not reflect lamps I the room. Does anyone know how the X850 screen will be coated? From the pictures, it looks like it does not have the glass across the front that the X900 does, as the surface of the screen appears to be somewhat inset from the case of the TV unlike on the X900 which is flush all the way across.smile.gifnQK7714HdSVy
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David I agree. This is a dissapointment. I thought this set would be geared toward the home theater enthusiast desiring a high end set while saving space and allowing them to utilize their own avr system. I'm guessing this is more of an effort to market to average flat panel buyer that isn't as discriminate about picture quality. I may be jumping the gun here, but the changes to this set don't appear to be for the better. I really wanted to preorder this prior to discovering panel changes. Now I will have to wait to see what picture quality this will present. This move from Sony has me considering the Samsung f9000 again.
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I heard this morning that the 850's "should" be arriving next week.

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Mine will be delivered Saturday. I purchased the 55 inch.

Edit: Great my order is on back order from Best Buy...No date to when I will be getting it...Stuck with the ZT60 for even longer. mad.gif
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I've purchased a XBR-55X850A from Best Buy which is also supposed to be delivered this Saturday. I'm excited to see how it compares to the XBR-55X900A.
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Let us know! Mine is scheduled for Oct 7th delivery.
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Well...I'm kind of traumatized that the new version without speakers will have active 3d.

The passive 3d and the 2d to 3d conversion on the model with speakers WAS SIMPLY AMAZING!!.

We downloaded some 4k content from you tube :

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46NeHiJEuJ8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_okcNVZqqI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b4qMBKEN88

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LY1CIno1lFI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3xAChk39qs

 

We played these clips on a whole bunch of Sony- Samsung (7100)- Panasonic plasma Tv's.

 

The Sony XBR 4k blew all of them away, and I was really waiting for the new model Sony xbr without speakers to arrive so as to buy that with a Klipsch HD Theater SB 3 Soundbar

 

 

Back to the drawing board....

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The 55 HX850 is a very good 2D TV with a picture that is so good that I purchased a second HX850 - the 46 inch version.
I would still recommend the HX850 with one caveat. We can't use the 3D. Sony's 3D should be labeled as a "beta." I would not have been so disappointed if I had been warned. I tried it and lost. The 3D was interesting for one short viewing, but the active glasses were uncomfortable to wear & bothered my eyes. Perhaps, they would have been OK if I had 20-20 vision & did not have to wear my corrective eyeglasses. Sony graciously allowed the return of its glasses and gave me a credit. For practical purposes, I am now the owner of 2 very good 2D TVs.

I purchased a 55 HX850 after reading the early Amazon reviews. The positive reviews about that TV were correct as were the negative comments about Sony support.

Both the 55 HX850 & 46 HX850 have superb pictures & appearance. The 2D picture is so good that it appears to have some qualities of 3D.

Excellent picture with nice appearance. CNET concurs. See its evaluatio

I was so irritated by the treatment from Sony Support (up to National Customer Relations) that I received that I went out and bought a 46 inch Samsung for another room, but its picture was very poor when compared to the HX850. Therefore, I returned the Samsung. I plan to keep the HX850 as my primary TV until 4K arrives. For another room, I bought its 46 inch version.




Show even though your post should be over on the HX850 thread I agree with EVERYTHING you said about the HX850 except about the 3D. I find that to be excellent on the HX850 but my eyes don't hurt while watching 3D either. But good post even though its in the wrong forum. biggrin.gif

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The Sony Store in Philadelphia has received 4 of the new XBR X850A's in 55in and 65in
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Show even though your post should be over on the HX850 thread I agree with EVERYTHING you said about the HX850 except about the 3D. I find that to be excellent on the HX850 but my eyes don't hurt while watching 3D either. But good post even though its in the wrong forum. biggrin.gif

Talk to an eye doctor about how active glasses are hurting your eye muscles. It is not natural to have the shutters open and close at such a rapid rate for each eye.
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Mine will be delivered Saturday. I purchased the 55 inch.

Edit: Great my order is on back order from Best Buy...No date to when I will be getting it...Stuck with the ZT60 for even longer. mad.gif

what don't you like about the ZT60?
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what don't you like about the ZT60?

 

A friend of mine has one. He knows I want to buy a TV, and he keeps pushing for me to buy the ZT.  I did not have the heart to tell him that I preferred the Sony PQ by far.

I found the dark glasses of the ZT to be way too dark in 3d.

Also I live in Florida and my living room affords quite a bit of sunlight...so forget plasmas.

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Mine will be delivered Saturday. I purchased the 55 inch.

Edit: Great my order is on back order from Best Buy...No date to when I will be getting it...Stuck with the ZT60 for even longer. mad.gif

That's quite a statement regarding the ZT60 as that is regarded as a great set. But I know what you mean. When you are ready for something else, you just loose interest in what you have. Kinda like personal relationships.
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The tv has an excellent picture. But I get image retention too quickly. My old E7000 plasma never did this. I'm excited for owning a smaller tv believe it or not also...
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The tv has an excellent picture. But I get image retention too quickly. My old E7000 plasma never did this. I'm excited for owning a smaller tv believe it or not also...
I'm having the same issue with my VT60.

Same issue with mine except I have the VT60 and actually have burn in. Tried the WOW pixel flipper for 30+ hours multiple times as well as the built in wipe...no dice. I even waited 350 hours before gaming.
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I saw a demo of the X850a and compared it to the X900a. There are some differences, some for the better.

The 850 is a matte finish compared to a glass like finish on the 900. This has pros and cons. In the store, the 850 had much less reflective glare from the fluorescent lights than the 900 did.

Saw a demo of both 3D versions. My eyes couldn't distinguish much difference. If anything I noticed the active seemed smoother but a little dimmer and the passive was brighter but had ghosting and a little less sharpness.

The biggest difference for me was the glass screen vs matte. While the glass reflects a lot more it does seem to make the color pop better. Could just be the configuration though as the 850 was just set up.

Still mulling my options...
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