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post #1 of 88 Old 09-09-2013, 08:47 PM - Thread Starter
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AV MODE: MOVIE
OPC: Off
Backlight: std
Contrast: +23
Brightness: -3
Color: +1
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0

--Advanced sub-menu

C.M.S. -Hue
R: 0
Y: 0
G: 0
C: 0
B: 0
M: 0

C.M.S. -Saturation
R: 0
Y: 0
G: 0
C: 0
B: 0
M: 0

C.M.S. -Value
R: 0
Y: 0
G: 0
C: 0
B: 0
M: 0

Color Gamut Range: Expanded

Color Temp: Low

[10 Point Setting Off]
R Gain (LO): +10
G Gain (LO): -2
B Gain (LO): -19
R Gain (HI): -5
G Gain (HI): +4
B Gain (HI): -9

[10 Point Settings: No adjustment]

Motion Enhancement: 120Hz High
Quad PIxel Plus 2: off
Active Contrast: Off
Gamma Adjustment: -1
Black Level: [grayed out]
Film Mode: Off
Digital Noise Reduction: Off
Monochrome: Off


AV MODE: USER
OPC: Off
Backlight: std
Contrast: +23
Brightness: -3
Color: -13
Tint: +10
Sharpness: 0

--Advanced sub-menu

C.M.S. -Hue
R: 0
Y: 0
G: 0
C: 0
B: 0
M: 0

C.M.S. -Saturation
R: 0
Y: 0
G: 0
C: 0
B: 0
M: 0

C.M.S. -Value
R: 0
Y: 0
G: 0
C: 0
B: 0
M: 0

Color Gamut Range: Grey out

Color Temp: Low

[10 Point Setting Off]
R Gain (LO): +10
G Gain (LO): -2
B Gain (LO): -19
R Gain (HI): -5
G Gain (HI): +4
B Gain (HI): -9

[10 Point Settings: No adjustment]

Motion Enhancement: 120Hz High
Quad PIxel Plus 2: off
Active Contrast: Off
Gamma Adjustment: -1
Black Level: [grayed out]
Film Mode: Off
Digital Noise Reduction: Off
Monochrome: Off
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5/12/13
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Originally Posted by djwishbone 

Do you mind sharing your calibration values?

I had uploaded some settings a while back but deleted them due to a red push problem. Now that I figured out that the 240HZ motion enhancement was the cause of my red problem, I've re calibrated and I'm pretty comfortable with these settings:

OPC: off
Backlight: -10 (night) STD (day)
Contrast: +30
Brightness: -2
Color: 0
Tint: 0
Sharpness: +1
CMS – Hue: R0 Y+1 G-7 C-4 B+8 M-2
CMS – Sat: R-1 Y-2 G-5 C0 B0 M-5
CMS – Value: R+2 Y0 G-6 C0 B+3 M0
Gamut Range: Standard
Color Temp: Low
Color Temp Values: RL+24 GL0 BL-21 RH+17 GH0 BH-11
Motion Enhancement: 120High (beware of the 240Hz setting. Never use that setting if you want a successful calibration)
Quad Pixel Plus 2: Advanced
Active Contrast: Off
Gamma: -1
Film Mode: off
Digital Noise Reduction: off

As always, your mileage WILL vary.
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I was using RobbinMerrit's settings above. I had Geeksquad comes and do a calibration which was free for my Silver status ($249 usually). He stated that my current settings (robbin's) had way too much red and color temp was too low. I thought his picture looked terrible after calibration but I"m posting them here for reference. He did show me the calibration report that showed there was way too much red and that the color temp was too low according to his charts. Here are his settings:

Calibrated a Sharp LC 70LE857U
Picture Mode USER
OPC OFF
Backlight 9
Contrast (Picture) 17
Brightness (Picture) -7
Color (Saturation) -7
Hue (Tint, Phase) 0
Sharpness (Detail) 0
V/H Sharpness (Detail) NA
Picture Temperature LOW
Gamma -2
Red Cutoff (Bias, Offset) 4
Green Cutoff (Bias, Offset) 0
Blue Cutoff (Bias, Offset) -15
Red Drive (Gain, High) 6
Green Drive (Gain, High) 0
Blue Drive (Gain, High) -3
quadpixel Advanced
Film Mode On
Active Contrast Off
DNR Off

I plan to do more experimenting with the geeksquad settings to see if I can improve. Skin tones were way red on their settings. I also like my sharpness up a bit more.

I also had them send me a copy of the calibration charts and report but it came through blank. I will see if it can be resent and post if I get it.
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Edit 5/9/13: I have updated calibration settings. Looks MUCH better than my first shot at it:

AV MODE: MOVIE
OPC: Off
Backlight: +5
Contrast: +34
Brightness: -1
Color: 0
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0

--Advanced sub-menu

C.M.S. -Hue
R: 0
Y: +10
G: 0
C: +8
B: 0
M: +4

C.M.S. -Saturation
R: +1
Y: -6
G: -2
C: -2
B: -8
M: +1

C.M.S. -Value
R: +5
Y: +5
G: -2
C: -7
B: +8
M: 0

Color Gamut Range: Standard

Color Temp: Low

[10 Point Setting Off]
R Gain (LO): +3
G Gain (LO): +5
B Gain (LO): -2
R Gain (HI): +4
G Gain (HI): +6
B Gain (HI): -10

[10 Point Settings: No adjustment]

Motion Enhancement: 120Hz High (240 and 480 resulted in a darker degraded picture)
Quad PIxel Plus 2: off
Active Contrast: Off
Gamma Adjustment: -1
Black Level: [grayed out]
Film Mode: Off
Digital Noise Reduction: Off
Monochrome: Off
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Hi All:
a setting that I like is the user as it comes from the store,,,, EXCEPT !.. the Red needs to be turned down a lot ( about -4) other than that its pretty good,, just a few tweaks here and there.biggrin.gif
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I hope people on this thread can finally share there settings. It's almost 2014. Please post good settings
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Well I can say that I have spent the last month of sleepless nights and after paying two different people to calibrate my LC-70le857u that micro center so gave away so cheap the monday before thanksgiving that I bought 2!!!... Yes, I said TWO!! Walked out with both including tax for $3,840.87 Anyway after many nights of ready to take it back but refusing because of the deal I have finally got it set to a picture my well trained eyes from over 20 years in the printing business can default from a mile away to be able to tolerate. Both times it was calibrated left me very unhappy with color variations, weird very dark to very light scene changes and just strange unrealistic color in general. Here is what I landed on and think is as good as it's going to get for viewing pleasure no matter what any camera says...

 

AV MODE: DYNAMIC

OPC: OFF

BACKLIGHT: STD

 

CONTRAST: +25

BRIGHTNESS: +4

COLOR: -5

TINT: 0

SHARPNESS: +5 (screen test wants +1 but I prefer it higher)

 

ADVANCED-

 

C.M.S.

        HUE   SATURATION   VALUE

R       0                -25             -10

 

Y      +3               -5                -5  

 

G     -6                -15              -10

 

C    +10              -5                 -4

 

B       0               +10                0

 

M     -5                 0                  0

 

 

COLOR TEMP: LOW-

 

R GAIN (LO): +15

 

G GAIN(LO): 0

 

B GAIN(LO): +10

 

R GAIN(HI): -25

 

G GAIN(HI): -20

 

B GAIN(HI): +2

 

MOTION ENHANCEMENT: 120hz HIGH

 

 

Quad Pixel Plus 2: OFF

 

ACTIVE CONTRAST: OFF

 

GAMMA: -1

 

FILM MODE: OFF

 

DNR: OFF

 

MONOCHROME: OFF

 

RANGE OF OPC: (even with opc off this matters)

MAX: 0

MIN: -1

 

Also go into power options and turn power saving off.

 

In system options, go to terminal settings and then HDMI Setup and Disable so it will hold the same view from input to input.

 

This is my favorite to date, let me know how it works for you!! 

 

Please share any comments, suggestions, or experience with your own setup.

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Nice steal on the tv's, gonna try it out on my new LC-70le857u.
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Worked like a charm, thanks
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Hi Neveready:
Great post !! this worked great.. I may do little tweaking on it, but for the most part its right on !!! ( it depends on what your watching, TV, DVD, Movie) I've tried on tv and 1080i movie on dish and it seems great !
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I have went back and forth with a few different settings on top of these here and there but you hit the nail by saying it depends what you're watching. Sometimes it still looks a little dark, sometimes a little light, sometimes the colors are a little hot but I've learned that even with everything turned off there us still something in this set that shifts the contrast and the colors which may be a characteristic of the dynamic setting but it's a very good general starting point if you're really picky and will be more than good for many people.

I have two of the exact TV both hooked to the same sources and they don't both look identical with the identical settings. A friend of mine just upgraded from a calman to a true spectrophotometer. I will post updated settings based upon our findings.

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YOUR THE MAN,, Can't wait !!! I just love these !!
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I to took advantage of the Microcenter day after turkey special and have been wrestling with configuration settings ever since. I've seen several people recommend setting the motion setting to 120 high as you have and don't understand why you'd buy a 240 MHz TV and set it to 120. I'm no expert here so please someone school me on why this makes sense?
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The reason is that most TV is recorded at 24fps @ 60hz at best. When raising the motion ratio you are essentially letting the device create a false picture by creating 4 frames to 1 for every single thing going on, so if you have a color or contrast or grayscale error. It is now four times the error!! Unfortunately all the things they sell us about these new TV's aren't worth using as they mostly just modify the original source. Not saying they don't serve a function but it makes it very difficult to get accurate scenes or duplication.

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Well Put,,, I just had a friend buy a new 4k ultra ( Samsung),, a Very nice picture,, BUT,, no one is transmitting in 4k ultra yet.. so its mostly wasted ( I'd still like to have one !)
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I also took advantage of the Microcenter sale, but I'm on the fence whether to return it (even at that price.) I calibrated it using the WOW disc, but I'm not in love with the results. I'll try neveready's settings to see if that helps.
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I also took advantage of the Microcenter sale, but I'm on the fence whether to return it (even at that price.) I calibrated it using the WOW disc, but I'm not in love with the results. I'll try neveready's settings to see if that helps.

Which picture mode did you calibrate it under? A proper calibration, even with something as simple as the WoW disc, can only be done in Movie mode, because it's the only mode that allows you to switch to the Standard color gamut. If you adjust the color and tint controls in Extended color gamut, everything will be way off.

My current settings:

AV Mode: Movie
OPC: On

Backlight: +16 (default for Movie mode, but controlled by OPC)
Contrast: 35
Brightness: 0
Color: -4
Tint: +4
Sharpness: 0

Color Gamut Range: Standard
Color Temperature: Low
Motion Enhancement: 120Hz High (this seems to look the best, not sure why)
Quad Pixel Plus 2: Off
Active Contrast: Off
Gamma Adjustment: 0
Film Mode: Standard (even though this should have no effect on a non-60Hz source, it seemingly makes for a smoother picture without the soap opera feeling)
Digital Noise Reduction: Off
Range of OPC: -10/+16 (that's default for Movie mode and works very well for both day and night viewing, for me at least)
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Well, after experiencing every type of picture setting it has and calibrating in all of them with a system not coached by goofy. I learned that calibrations and opinions are all subjective. I didn't say my settings were correctly calibrated, just that it was the most visually appealing for me and my eyes in my viewing environment. I just like everyone else who was begging for something that you could stand to watch and setup without going into a crazy amount of settings had tried all the others and never complained, even though most could be more accurate by Ray Charles. I just simply chose to share my experience and settings.

However if you understand how to properly use the c.m.s. and white balance controls you can achieve proper calibration in the extended gamut since all values of the primary and secondary colors are available. Yes, it takes more than color and tint to do it!! You also have to be willing to accept that the standards of science and technology have improved since 1931. Imagine telling someone 70 years ago that we could correct someone to perfect or better vision in under 10 seconds with a laser being blasted into your retina after having your cornea pulled off....

And....since the color gamut is grayed out how are you sure it is in the expanded mode??
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On the 8470, last years model, when using expanded gamut, there was no way to get to an accurate, d6500K, image. The blue was way too strong. That being said, if it looks good to you, enjoy. Happy holiday!
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Do anybody actually have the proper calibrations for the 857u.
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"Proper" calibrations are not going to be the same from set to set or even in a room to room situation. Most of the folks trying to calibrate this set have skewed readings and have to turn off the extended gamut due to the meter being used. It's kinda tough to calibrate a TV with a four color led setup when using a tricolorometer that only reads RGB you will show and aggressive push in red and green because that's what it takes to build yellow so after calibration like this you end up too blue visually when the meter says it's right on. Then when using these meters you can take two meters that are identical on the same TV and get different readings or two tvs with one meter and get different settings so unless you've got a true spectro you're better off to set by eye if you can truly interpret hue and saturation. It takes several hours of viewing different types of scenes and resolutions to get it to what will always display correctly. Best way is to have a DVR or blue ray player and calibrate with some good patterns then just watch the tv!!! Forget about what is "correct". When I hit a scene with something that looks really strange or off color I pause it on that scene and make adjustments to get that error corrected. You'll find that within a short amount of time you can get it dialed in to where it looks and performs very well but there is no "magic" settings!!

I will gladly keep posting my updated settings as I do this because they change a point here and there every day or so. Doesn't mean they're correct!! Just what gets things from going light to dark and having color fluctuations which is the common problem I see and hear with these sets!!

Settings for 12/24/13:

AV Mode: Movie
OPC: OFF (never use if you want consistent results) you can use after all settings are made but only use with a max 5 point spread.
Backlight: -5

Contrast: 30
Brightness: 1
Color: 3
Tint: 1
Sharpness: 3

Advanced:
C.M.S.

Hue. Saturation Value
R 0 +5 0
Y. 0 0 0
G 0 -10 0
C. 0 0 0
B 0 0 0
M 0 0 0

Color Gamut: Standard
Color Temp: Mid-Low eek.gif

R LO 15
B LO 0
G LO 15
R HI 15
G HI -20
B HI 5

Motion Enhancement: 240hz eek.gif


Quad Pixel Plus 2: Off
Active contrast: Off
Gamma Adjustment: +2
Film Mode: Off
Digital Noise Reduction: Off
Monochrome: Off
Range of OPC: 0
-5


Again this setup is not a true or accurate "calibration" per say (it could be i havent put a meter on it)but again looks great on all sources so far!! I was trying to get something without having to get into the CMS settings or a full 10pt white balance to keep it simple for the common viewer to enjoy the investment of their new device.

Let me know how this works for your application and viewing pleasure!!!!
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neveready,

I completely agree with you. There are no magic numbers that will work for everyone. I was just trying to give supercell some hints as to where to start. And since he has the WoW disc, he can get a fantastic picture with just a few adjustments, even if it's just brightness, contrast, color and tint. In my experience, to get the most out of a simple calibration without a meter, it's best to first check brightness, then contrast, then color/tint with the blue filter (if you have one). After that, check for oversaturation/crush of any color, and adjust contrast accordingly. The AVS HD 709 disc has two great patterns for that. That's really all there is to it, since anything more will require proper hardware.

Regarding the OPC setting: It doesn't matter if or when you use it. It simply controls the backlight, and therefore has absolutely no effect on any calibration settings. I use it because these Sharps don't have separate day and night modes, and I'm too lazy to constantly adjust my backlight manually.

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Luminance never factors in to calibration?? Learn something every day on here. That's why I love it! biggrin.gif
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Remember, I'm talking about a simple, average-Joe calibration without a meter.

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You keep arguing points that are incorrect though. This can get the "average joe" really confused on how to properly tune their set and can end up with them being very frustrated. Making the statement that the backlight has absolutely no effect on calibration setting is a totally incorrect statement that you'd either have to have it mounted outside or be wearing sunglasses to not notice!! Or using film mode (which makes it look horrible) after saying you can't use expanded gamut... If you tried it with a meter you'd find its actually much better in expanded and you don't have to push the contrast or backlight as much and you are and will also prevent all the clipping in the blue and green white balance. And to argue the fact of calibration, then post settings without CMS or any grayscale adjustments at all?? If the settings were that simple then any "average joe" could do it without even needing a disk. Who would even need calibrations???

 

Could you please post the correct calibration settings that you have, or the reports of it to actually help someone out here or are you just going to keep contradicting and B$%^^ing at the people who are actually making suggestions?

 

Setting the backlight on this set at +16 and the contrast at 35 will not only produce an unpleasant picture, premature failure, and dead pixels but likely a suntan and blindness!! At least a headache from eye strain or trying to watch something with a totally terrible picture. Maybe thats why you're disagreeing with settings you can actually stand to watch?? 

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Hello:
am trying to get your "Movie" settings in today,, but the wife keeps interrupting,, so I guess it will be tomorrow..!!
The movie setting as it came form the factory aren't to bad , can not wait to see what difference your settings make,,,
On the 847u the backlight would not have make a whole lot of difference, but on the new 857u , your right,, you could get a sun burn on +16 for too long..
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I'm trying to set up my new 70 857. I am not a tv technical person so I fall into the "average joe" category. I just hooked it up today and played with the different settings briefly. I am lost. I will experiment with your suggestions but I really just want the most realistic picture. I put it on movie mode today and was watching live NBA and the dark colors, blacks and navy blues, were really blending together...no detail at all. The facial detail on the darker skin tones were not good at all, looked blurry. I primarily watch live sports, so any help with settings would be greatly appreciated!
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Try the Movie settings I posted with the 240hz motion ratio and the mid low color temp. I think you will be pleased with the change it will make, make sure you are watching something on it, preferably something you've already seen and watch the changes as you make them to become familiar with what the settings do. Then you will know what adjustments to make from there for your personal preference. 

 

F.Y.I. In the white balance settings the HI handles the colors in the white balance with HI white (very light skin tones to full white). Pretty close to a 30% gray pattern through white

 

The LO settings handle and control darker areas with LO white saturation (the darker reddish or greenish alien looking skin tones!) Close to 80% through black.

 

For the best settings it does need a proper 10pt calibration. BUT, you need to get it as close as possible with the 2pt first as it does affect the 10pt setting and came get it to minute adjustments for correction. 

 

I am going to work on a calibration tonight and if I get finished I will post the results. For right now, the current MOVIE settings are my personal favorite until they can be tightened up a little more.

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You keep arguing points that are incorrect though. This can get the "average joe" really confused on how to properly tune their set and can end up with them being very frustrated. Making the statement that the backlight has absolutely no effect on calibration setting is a totally incorrect statement that you'd either have to have it mounted outside or be wearing sunglasses to not notice!! Or using film mode (which makes it look horrible) after saying you can't use expanded gamut... If you tried it with a meter you'd find its actually much better in expanded and you don't have to push the contrast or backlight as much and you are and will also prevent all the clipping in the blue and green white balance. And to argue the fact of calibration, then post settings without CMS or any grayscale adjustments at all?? If the settings were that simple then any "average joe" could do it without even needing a disk. Who would even need calibrations???

Could you please post the correct calibration settings that you have, or the reports of it to actually help someone out here or are you just going to keep contradicting and B$%^^ing at the people who are actually making suggestions?

Setting the backlight on this set at +16 and the contrast at 35 will not only produce an unpleasant picture, premature failure, and dead pixels but likely a suntan and blindness!! At least a headache from eye strain or trying to watch something with a totally terrible picture. Maybe thats why you're disagreeing with settings you can actually stand to watch?? 

I've been here long enough to know not to get involved in arguments like this. I'm actually a strong believer in not sharing any settings specific to an individual set. Having said that, the only reason I posted anything in this thread is because someone was getting frustrated with his brand new TV and about to return it. People seem to enjoy your numbers, so more power to you.

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