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I want to prove it to them with setting that work.
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I want to prove it to them with setting that work.
You cannot win this. They can measure and you are taking settings from internet. I believe professional calibration is not worth it in most cases without proving with measurements to point the difference compared to "close good basic settings". Of course if you are completely clueless, any calibration/setting sensible change is usually better than presets. I would always start with internet settings or with calibration DVD. And only if I am not happy maybe then buy calibration service if TV is bloody expensive.
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You cannot win this. They can measure and you are taking settings from internet. I believe professional calibration is not worth it in most cases without proving with measurements to point the difference compared to "close good basic settings". Of course if you are completely clueless, any calibration/setting sensible change is usually better than presets. I would always start with internet settings or with calibration DVD. And only if I am not happy maybe then buy calibration service if TV is bloody expensive.

I still don't think they would be happy. From the sounds of it he doesn't want an accurate picture but a bright picture that "pops". Some people just don't like an accurate calibrated picture and there's nothing wrong with that. Hopefully though they know about the downfalls of having an inaccurate picture.


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Some folks actually like torch mode !
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Sorry no torch mode. 65W850a Sony. It looked like a matte finish white looked grey and black was not black. Washed out color bad! I got the new X10 4K player yesterday and that makes it pop but it changes the settings from what they were set at. That is why I want to get someone to send me their setting so I can try them with my DISH. Thanks
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You got a 4k player for a 1080p set??..."torch mode"=Vivid, it seems you may be her here so you may not understand some of the terms we use. WS has many people happy with his Vivid settings however, although they may not be "accurate" all that matters in
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I want to prove it to them with setting that work.
Actually this set has a fantastic picture right out of the box if you use Picture-Mode, Vivid.

I do think Vivid with the factory settings is a little to bright to watch for night viewing. I sent you a copy of my settings to try.

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Thanks so much for the setting WS! You are very detailed in your message and have done a wonderful job here!
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This is a 4K set XBR65X850A
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This is a 4K set XBR65X850A
Hmmm, this is the Sony 65W850a forums

Try to join the Sony XBR-55X850A & XBR65X850A , although not a busy forum. You can also try what is a similar panel to yours in the Official Sony [X9] XBR-55X900A / XBR-65X900A Owner's Thread. You will find the X900A forums with a lot of setting discussions. The Cinema settings I am using came from that forum [I know it is a different panel but with little tweaking, I like it]
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I still don't think they would be happy. From the sounds of it he doesn't want an accurate picture but a bright picture that "pops". Some people just don't like an accurate calibrated picture and there's nothing wrong with that.

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Never really understood why someone would not want an accurate picture, instead going with pop......

I would think if you are watching something (movie/sports) you want the picture to look real, as if you were there at the game or on the movie set......
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Never really understood why someone would not want an accurate picture, instead going with pop......



I would think if you are watching something (movie/sports) you want the picture to look real, as if you were there at the game or on the movie set......

When you've been looking at inaccurate pictures for so long, the transition can be jarring for some. I usually recommend people love with the settings for at least a week before doing an A/B comparison otherwise you won't have time to get used to the picture.


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The whole point of triluminous screen is to give deeper colors than on the disc aiming for more realistic picture and richer colors.
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Never really understood why someone would not want an accurate picture, instead going with pop......

I would think if you are watching something (movie/sports) you want the picture to look real, as if you were there at the game or on the movie set......
I agree with you. My preference is for an accurate picture. White whites (not bluish), black blacks (not purplish or greenish), accurate skin tones, grass that looks like real grass, sky shots that look like real sky, and proper contrast (no blown-out whites, and with shadow detail where it is intended). Obviously there is an exception if the content being viewed was intended to look surreal.

The W850A with stock settings is better than most LCD TVs at providing an accurate picture.
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Never really understood why someone would not want an accurate picture, instead going with pop......

I would think if you are watching something (movie/sports) you want the picture to look real, as if you were there at the game or on the movie set......
You do realize that the current standard (rec709), is no where near "accurate" to real life right? There's a difference between over saturating colors and extending the color gamut.
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Never really understood why someone would not want an accurate picture, instead going with pop......

I would think if you are watching something (movie/sports) you want the picture to look real, as if you were there at the game or on the movie set......
some people like the initial wow factor with vivid settings, but for me, it gets old after you start noticing that things don't really look like that in real life. Things like the grass on a golf course or the sky are some of the things that pushed me away from vivid. The movie that did it for me was Oblivion and remembering what it looked like in theaters, which had a grayish overcast, but using WS settings gave me clear blue skies like they were in Miami and didn't fit the picture at all. It was fun using his settings the first time, but I prefer accuracy over pop.
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some people like the initial wow factor with vivid settings, but for me, it gets old after you start noticing that things don't really look like that in real life. Things like the grass on a golf course or the sky are some of the things that pushed me away from vivid. The movie that did it for me was Oblivion and remembering what it looked like in theaters, which had a grayish overcast, but using WS settings gave me clear blue skies like they were in Miami and didn't fit the picture at all. It was fun using his settings the first time, but I prefer accuracy over pop.
In my opinion Vivid setting is the only one that does not work well of those Whitesands settings but I this setting is more for 3D anyway . Detail is lost in bright scenes with vivid when details burns away. Live color on low gives the all push I need with color setting in 60 range.
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Hi guys, are the banding/clouding/flashlight issues common to all sets or just a few? What about the vignetting (darker edges)? I can see the darker edges even on some of white sand's screenshots.

I was checking out the 60w850b today and thought it looked pretty good (cnet review also says the black level is close to the W900A but not quite), no banding or clouding that I could see and noticed there was a 65w850a nearby. Immediately saw the vignetting and googled it to find this thread. Both were the same price so I'm trying to decide whether to go with the 850b which seems to have better uniformity (other than the radial banding on some sets) or try out the 850a (which on paper is superior with triluminos, local dimming and 5" bigger screen).

Your input is appreciated, TIA!
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Hi guys, are the banding/clouding/flashlight issues common to all sets or just a few? What about the vignetting (darker edges)? I can see the darker edges even on some of white sand's screenshots.

I was checking out the 60w850b today and thought it looked pretty good (cnet review also says the black level is close to the W900A but not quite), no banding or clouding that I could see and noticed there was a 65w850a nearby. Immediately saw the vignetting and googled it to find this thread. Both were the same price so I'm trying to decide whether to go with the 850b which seems to have better uniformity (other than the radial banding on some sets) or try out the 850a (which on paper is superior with triluminos, local dimming and 5" bigger screen).

Your input is appreciated, TIA!
This set has some issues mostly related to DSE but I won't bother me a bit in movies. Contrast performance is so unreal with local dimming. I have not tested w850b but It is safe to assume that that some problems all also possible with that set. It is still LCD. Here is a picture of black performance of w850b: http://www.rtings.com/images/reviews...ity-medium.jpg
Local dimming helps with clouding issues but w850b does not have it. Rest of the review: http://www.rtings.com/reviews/tv/lcd-led/sony/w850b
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It seems like they really like the w850b, maybe even more than the w950b. Local dimming is nice but it comes with its own set of problems.
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It seems like they really like the w850b, maybe even more than the w950b. Local dimming is nice but it comes with its own set of problems.
w950b is been reviewed worse than w8 series this year in all major sites with both TVs tested. Plan to move to IPS backfired for Sony
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Live color on low gives the all push I need with color setting in 60 range.
I'm at Color = 53, Brightness = 50, Warm2, Live Color = Low, Black Corrector = Low, Adv. Contrast = Low. I do think it's more accurate with Live Color set to Off, even though that's not where I leave it. So I guess I'm okay with a little bit of color push.
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w950b is been reviewed worse than w8 series this year in all major sites with both TVs tested. Plan to move to IPS backfired for Sony
W850Bs are IPS too though aren't they? Later reviews & hands-on (at least in threads here) have warmed up to the 950Bs but for my money the W850Bs are just as good or better. Some of what I've read (RTINGS being one example) seems to suggest the newer tech has kind of made up for the panel switch, at least when it comes to black & contrast. I'll see, if I end up bringing one home and getting it calibrated.
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W850Bs are IPS too though aren't they?
W850B Has SPVA panel (Samsung technology)
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Raitzi may be correct but I was told by a Sony rep that the 70w850b and the 65w950b both use IPS panels but so far I'm seeing only the 70w850b with the banding issues reported. The reason I think that the 70w850b uses the IPS panel is that the 65w850a uses the S-PVA panel and has no radial banding issues and is much more reflective than the 70w850b and better contrast but more prone to clouding. The two major features added to the 950b include Triluminuce color filter and the X-Tended Dynamic Range, which supposedly enhances black levels and brightness. If it does indeed accomplish those two feats then this IPS panel could rival the S-PVA panel.
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I went through that transition vivid color pop withdraws and all ! Best thing I ever did was hook up with AVS here
do some reading download AVS HD709 here and learn how to use it all 5 sets (6) if you count the garage are
looking 100% better with more accurate color not clipping whites ,crushing blacks and shadow detail or blooming and
and over saturating color . All are working about as well as they can within their various limitations and capabilities
every one of them are way better than the out of box pre sets picture detail /colors are much better now and well worth the effort to correct IMO .

Short of a professional calibration or an expert enthusiasts DIY job both using colorimeters (maybe some other stuff )and computer software its the best thing you can do for your TV.

Disney Wow and Spears and Munsil HD Benchmark are good DVD/BD with which to adjust or calibrate your set some of the features on these might be a little easier to use than AVS HD .709 all 3 are excellent with Disney Wow probably being the most user friendly .

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Raitzi may be correct but I was told by a Sony rep that the 70w850b and the 65w950b both use IPS panels but so far I'm seeing only the 70w850b with the banding issues reported. The reason I think that the 70w850b uses the IPS panel is that the 65w850a uses the S-PVA panel and has no radial banding issues and is much more reflective than the 70w850b and better contrast but more prone to clouding. The two major features added to the 950b include Triluminuce color filter and the X-Tended Dynamic Range, which supposedly enhances black levels and brightness. If it does indeed accomplish those two feats then this IPS panel could rival the S-PVA panel.
Sorry forgot to mention that 70" version has IPS and 60" has SPVA.

Edit:My excuse is that 70" version is not available this side of the Atlantic

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5 Sony black level + contrast Comparison


http://www.rtings.com/reviews/tv/lcd-led/sony

2013 Sony R450A Black: 0.022 cd/m2 Contrast: 4750 : 1 Samsung SPVA

2014 Sony W600B Black: 0.026 cd/m2 Contrast: 3500 : 1 Samsing SPVA

2014 Sony W800B Black: 0.020 cd/m2 Contrast: 5260 : 1 AUO AMVA5

2014 Sony W850B Black: 0.026 cd/m2 Contrast: 4273 : probably AUO AMVA *panel mfr/type/spec may vary by size

2014 Sony W950B Black: 0.111 cd/m2 Contrast: 942 : 1 >>>> LGD IPS


Notes : AUO AMVA and Samsung SPVA are both VA panels LGD are S-IPS

AUO AMVA 3D (usually active *can be passive also )

All 3D Samsung are active .

All 3D LGD are passive .

OFC when the Sony 9x and especially the TOTL 9.5x cranks up it's bag of magic silicon tricks they have remarkable picture. 9.5 x is widely regarded as the best 2014 LCD



The 2014 W600/2013 R4 black levels are almost same contrast while still good are a little behind the 2013 R4
The 2014 Sony W800B and W850B are similar to 2013 R4 black level and contrast
Sony W950B black level/contrast being an LGD S-IPS do not match the others for native contrast /min black levels

It would seem the Sony W800/850B would be the sweet spot at Sony with respect to price vs performance

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