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I'm looking for a good blu ray player for this tv I no oppo is the best but what's popular with everyone in this thread I was looking at the Sony BDP S6500 does anyone have any experience or better recommendation I'll only be using it for movies I'll use my Xbox for streaming services thank you in advance
This model player must be a good choice. The price is reasonable and this is a new player that's only been out for 2 months. To me the newer the player the better. This would mean it would have a lower priced but faster processor to be used to enhance a DVD to look almost as good as a blu ray disk. The faster processor will load a blu ray disk quicker to where the picture is on the screen. I have a rather expensive panasonic player that's very similar. I bought it like 4 years ago but it was very costly back then at $350.

That's progress with this new Sony player that should perform even better than my player for lots less money.

My method of shopping is by looking at the 5-star percentage and 3-star customer reviews on the Amazon site to help determine which is the best item to buy.

Did you know the KDL-65W850A and the KDL-55W900A Sony Triluminos sets were the only two TV sets I can remember that had a all 5-star rating.
Thank you for your help and yes I did no this tv was one of 2 that had 5 star rating I researched for a long time and after the praise from everyone on here I new there was no other option than to get this beauty
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I'm looking for a good blu ray player for this tv I no oppo is the best but what's popular with everyone in this thread I was looking at the Sony bdp s6500 does anyone have any experience or better recommendation I'll only be using it for movies I'll use my Xbox for streaming services thank you in advance

From personal experience I had nothing but issues with my 6500 from disc freezups to it not wanting to connect to the internet. It was a headache so I went out and bought the new BDP-S5500. This little player does pretty much everything the 6500 does except for 4K upscaleing and dont have the dual core processor. But disc loading times are fast, streaming is excellent, I have zero issues playing Blus or dvds and it hooks up to my internet and stays there! Video playback on my w900a is excellent and its a combo of both the tv and the player itself. You might want to give it a look if your looking for a good, solid all around Blu ray player.
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I saw mixed reviews on Amazon about the 6500 looks like the 5500 got a lot of better reviews I was also considering the 7200 any experience with the 7200?
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Hope you all are enjoying this amazing TV.

The recent update is causing choppy/jittery playback on WMC Live TV/recorded TV and Amazon FireTV.
65W850's Netflix app runs without any problems.
Also, XBMC/Kodi plays fine, probably because I have enabled "Adjust display refresh rate to match video" on it.

Has anyone noticed this on theirs?

Thanks in advance.
Got a chance to test the choppyness again, with latest firmware installed.

60Hz plays choppy.
24Hz plays perfect.

I tested this using Kodi.

Since Chromecast, FireTV do not have 24Hz playback setting, everything plays choppy on this TV now.

Anyone willing to do a similar test?
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I have a FireTV. Is there any specific test material from Netflix or Amazon Prime that demonstrates this choppiness?
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I have a FireTV. Is there any specific test material from Netflix or Amazon Prime that demonstrates this choppiness?
Planet Earth on Netflix has many flyover scenes.
No choppyness when using TV's Netflix app.

Play episode 2, from around 29:17 mark where eagles are flying. Lots of background scrolling while camera is focused on the eagles.
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Planet Earth on Netflix has many flyover scenes.
No choppyness when using TV's Netflix app.

Play episode 2, from around 29:17 mark where eagles are flying. Lots of background scrolling while camera is focused on the eagles.
I see lots of complaints of un-smooth Netflix playback via the Fire TV. It's not limited to Sony TVs.
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I see lots of complaints of un-smooth Netflix playback via the Fire TV. It's not limited to Sony TVs.
I have another FireTV connected to a Pioneer PRO-101FD Plasma TV. No choppiness on it.

As I said in my previous post, I did another test that did not involve Netflix.

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Got a chance to test the choppyness again, with latest firmware installed.

60Hz plays choppy.
24Hz plays perfect.

I tested this using Kodi.

Since Chromecast, FireTV do not have 24Hz playback setting, everything plays choppy on this TV now.

Anyone willing to do a similar test?
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Right. Nevertheless, there are documented issues with Netflix playback on the FireTV that span multiple brands of TVs (but maybe not all). This does not seem to be a 65W850A issue.

If you're seeing problems also with a Chromecast or with recorded TV content then there would appear to be a second issue. I can say only that I haven't noticed anything with my 65W850A other than occasional choppiness with Netflix via the FireTV (I don't use WMC or Chromecast).
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Right. Nevertheless, you haven't tested Kodi with 60Hz and 24Hz playback so, not helping much.

Anyone else care to try Kodi with 60Hz, 24Hz playback and report back?
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I've viewed both 60Hz and 24p (23.976Hz) content through Kodi running on an Intel NUC (recently it's been more of the former than the latter). Haven't noticed any problems. Perhaps others can comment on their experiences.

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I've viewed both 60Hz and 24p (23.976Hz) content through Kodi running on an Intel NUC (recently it's been more of the former than the latter). Haven't noticed any problems. Perhaps others can comment on their experiences.
Thank you.

However, I'm talking about playing content with "Adjust display refresh rate to match video" option on in kodi.

http://kodi.wiki/view/Settings/Videos#Playback

When on, it forces the display's refresh rate to 24hz when 24fps video is played, otherwise it uses whatever refresh rate is set by the OS which usually is 60hz.

If you could try it that would be great.
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That option is enabled. Doesn't everyone use that?
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Good good, now if you turn it off does the playback become choppy?
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Good good, now if you turn it off does the playback become choppy?
Nope. I do run the signal through a Yamaha RX-A2040 A/V receiver, but it's set to "Through" so that it doesn't process the video.
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i have this same problem with new updates... netflix is not watchable at all..it plays little in 280 signal instead 1080i what the fk sony did ????

Yikes! Ever get this issue resolved? What firmware version are you on? Debating if I should bother updating my firmware since you two having issues with netflix. I am currently on firmware 510AAA.

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This "jerky" playback on this TV is driving me crazy.

If someone can provide a way to go back two firmwares on this TV that would be great.

Anyway, today I reset the TV (UP ARROW + PWR).

Before I applied my calibration settings, I played the same content through FireTV Netflix app. Same jerky playback.

I applied the calibration settings, played the same content, same results.

While playing around with the TV's settings, I found that when Motionflow is set to "Impulse" the videos play perfectly fine. Any other setting causes jerky playback.

I plugged in my PS3 directly to the TV, played the same Netflix content, same results.

I would really like some folks here who are claiming "no jerky playback" to provide their Motionflow settings and Firmware revision number.

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Nope. I do run the signal through a Yamaha RX-A2040 A/V receiver, but it's set to "Through" so that it doesn't process the video.
I am skeptical now that you even notice jerky playback. Did you play same content on both FireTV and the TV's native Netflix app?
Either that or you have Motionflow setting set to "Impulse".
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I don't recall where to check the firmware version of the menus. It's very well hidden. But mine updated to a new firmware revision a few weeks ago. So unless they've updated the firmware again, it's the latest.

I dislike Motionflow processing, so that's OFF. I suspect that many of us here have that setting turned off. Motionflow is supposed to "smooth" motion by adding interpolated (fake) frames, but it makes film content look like video. The Impulse setting, IIRC, is an exception and uses backlight scanning instead of frame interpolation (which does dim the screen somewhat). So perhaps Sony has updated their frame interpolation algorithm and it's now causing judder or other visible issues with some content.

UPDATE: I just re-tested with Motionflow set to True Cinema. This caused obvious and frequent jerkiness in the Planet Earth episode. The jerkiness went away when I turned Motionflow back off. This coincides with my preferred settings, but doesn't help you if you prefer to keep Motionflow enabled.

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I don't recall where to check the firmware version of the menus. It's very well hidden. But mine updated to a new firmware revision a few weeks ago. So unless they've updated the firmware again, it's the latest.

I dislike Motionflow processing, so that's OFF. I suspect that many of us here have that setting turned off. Motionflow is supposed to "smooth" motion by adding interpolated (fake) frames, but it makes film content look like video. The Impulse setting, IIRC, is an exception and uses backlight scanning instead of frame interpolation (which does dim the screen somewhat). So perhaps Sony has updated their frame interpolation algorithm and it's now causing judder or other visible issues with some content.

UPDATE: I just re-tested with Motionflow set to True Cinema. This caused obvious and frequent jerkiness in the Planet Earth episode. The jerkiness went away when I turned Motionflow back off. This coincides with my preferred settings, but doesn't help you if you prefer to keep Motionflow enabled.
Thanks skriefal.

I think True Cinema is the worst. Impulse plays really well and I would keep it on if the picture didn't lose it's brightness.

Even with Motionflow off, there is significant jerkiness with all external players (FireTV, PS3, Kodi, WMC Channel tuning).

I've been trying to trick the TV to update the firmware to PKG4.411AAA but no avail.

These are the files for each firmware revisions found under sony_dtv0FA30A05A0A5_00002301 (after you unzip the zip file downloaded from sony)

00002301_079f0000.bin PKG4.411AAA
00002301_07a10000.bin PKG4.430AAA
00002301_07ac0000.bin PKG4.540AAA

Anyone has a contact in Sony?
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Have you tried turning off the light sensor and then manually setting the backlight level? Haven't tried it myself, but it may make the Impulse setting more satisfying.
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Have you tried turning off the light sensor and then manually setting the backlight level? Haven't tried it myself, but it may make the Impulse setting more satisfying.
The light sensor is off. Even with Picture and Backlight set to highest settings, picture is still quite dim.
If I wanted to view slightly dimmer picture I would move my TC-P65S64 to the living room.
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Ah - too bad. I tried all of the Motionflow options when I got my 65W850A but didn't care for any of them. But I recall Impulse being the closest to acceptable except for the resulting dimness.
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My friend just bought a 70W850B and although I could not compare the PQ side by side with my 65W850A, I think PQ of my W850A is better.

Is W850B the successor of W850A? Is so, I am surprised that it is not better. Maybe I just lucked out to buy the W850A last year.
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Can anyone tell me if the TV you're discussing here corresponds to the Australian model number KD65X8500C? I'm trying to find the recommended calibration settings but since this is a relatively newly released TV, not finding much. Thanks!
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Can anyone tell me if the TV you're discussing here corresponds to the Australian model number KD65X8500C? I'm trying to find the recommended calibration settings but since this is a relatively newly released TV, not finding much. Thanks!
The set you question is the rather expensive new Sony 65" KD65X8500C 4K Ultra HD LED TV. I looked and this is for sure a AU only model number. I can't find a cross model number for the states.

You might try searching the Amazon's USA site for a comparable Sony 65X, 4K model. That way you could search the AVS forums to find some compatible settings.

I'm surprised your set don't look great right out of the box. With our 65W850A 1080p sets the Vivid picture mode looked fantastic from the factory. The Standard mode selection was a little on the weak side so boosting the backlight up fixed that. Our 850A sets have a Custom mode, but to me the picture is to soft and the deep blacks are lacking even with the backlight to max. So I never use that mode to watch TV.

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My friend just bought a 70W850B and although I could not compare the PQ side by side with my 65W850A, I think PQ of my W850A is better.

Is W850B the successor of W850A? Is so, I am surprised that it is not better. Maybe I just lucked out to buy the W850A last year.
Yes the 850B set came out in 2014 a year after the popular W850A set which came out in Oct 2013. The 850B was a little disappointing as Sony decided to go with a wide angle viewing screen which had lesser deep blacks and the colors didn't seem as brilliant. I can't remember, the 850B may not have had the triluminos display may been the reason.

The 65W850A screen had the deepest blacks and vivid colors so far that most had ever seen on any led TV. Six months earlier in January 2013 Sony came out with a W900A set a 55" model that had even a better picture than the 850A set which incorporated a quantum dot method of making fantastic colors on this set.

When they came out with the 65W850A model Sony decided to drop the quantum dot method for the much improved colors as they had to pay a royalty to the quantum dot company. Sony developed their own method called, Triluminos display. Many Sony sets now have this feature and any new set I buy will have the Triluminos display.

The 65W850A and the 55W900A sets where the only 2 TV's that had a 5-star rating on the customer reviews on the Amazon web site. I would hope that Sony would come out with some 4K sets with the deepest blacks and vivid colors similar to our 2013 models.

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The set you question is the rather expensive new Sony 65" KD65X8500C 4K Ultra HD LED TV. I looked and this is for sure a AU only model number. I can't find a cross model number for the states.

You might try searching the Amazon's USA site for a comparable Sony 65X, 4K model. That way you could search the AVS forums to find some compatible settings.

I'm surprised your set don't look great right out of the box. With our 65W850A 1080p sets the Vivid picture mode looked fantastic from the factory. The Standard mode selection was a little on the weak side so boosting the backlight up fixed that. Our 850A sets have a Custom mode, but to me the picture is to soft and the deep blacks are lacking even with the backlight to max. So I never use that mode to watch TV.
Thanks WhiteSands, appreciate that. No, it does look great out of the box! I've just read so many threads for other TVs saying change this, change that, I figured it might be the same here. I'm actually very impressed with it. Yes it was expensive but still less than we spent on our original plasma back in 2007! I haven't really watched enough to decide how much tweaking it needs if any, but I'm going to play with it a bit more today. And yes it probably seems expensive as well due to Aussie dollar conversion (only worth US$0.75) and also the fact we get ripped off here because we're a small market. ANYWAY!

I love the 3D, and the 4k is amazing (downloaded a few YouTube clips). I have an older receiver but managed to get the sound passed through via optical. So I'm very happy.

I'll keep looking for some recommended settings, if any. Thanks again!
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