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New to this forum, but have read all the previous posts.  This is the first TV where I've ever tried to fine tune the settings.  After reading all the back and forth comparing the w850a and the w900a, I decided to try using CNET's calibrated settings for the w900a:

 

http://forums.cnet.com/7723-19410_102-593595/sony-kdl-55w900a-picture-settings/

 

To my eyes, these settings look great on the W850a. I have a fairly dark basement, but these settings still look decent with all my overhead lights turned on.  I'd thought I'd pass along my experience.

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I just bought a Samsung UN65F7100 to replace a Sony KDL-55HX800 and I am not that impressed with the Samsung. I have changed all of the Samsung's settings about a dozen times and still does not look good. Is the Sony 65W850A a better choice than the Samsung. I have 13 more days to return it. Thanks

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I just bought a Samsung UN65F7100 to replace a Sony KDL-55HX800 and I am not that impressed with the Samsung. I have changed all of the Samsung's settings about a dozen times and still does not look good. Is the Sony 65W850A a better choice than the Samsung. I have 13 more days to return it. Thanks

I'm sure you would like this W850 Sony set. It's picture quality is fantastic and 3D movies are unbelievable. The colors, deep blacks and picture quality is great and even better when watching blu-ray movies. This set don't seem to have any banding or flashlighting problems. This may be due to the Triluminos quantum filter between the Edge lit LED's and the TV screen. No doubt Sony has really went all out on this set. I have had mine now going on 4 months and have never seen such a great picture in my life.
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Is this basically the owner's thread?

The price of the 65" lately has really gotten my attention.

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Is this basically the owner's thread?

The price of the 65" lately has really gotten my attention.

This forum is very popular for owners and prospective buyers for this Sony's KDL-65W850A set.
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I just bought a Samsung UN65F7100 to replace a Sony KDL-55HX800 and I am not that impressed with the Samsung. I have changed all of the Samsung's settings about a dozen times and still does not look good. Is the Sony 65W850A a better choice than the Samsung. I have 13 more days to return it. Thanks

I also returned the 7100 for the 850.. the Samsung was a huge disappointment, you will be much happier with the sony (its not perfect, but much better than the samsung).

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Gonna be a tough consideration. The 850A 65" seems to be an excellent LCD by all accounts, but the new 2014 KDL-70W850B is 70" and man thats tempting.

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somebody say that the 850b is downgrade from 850a, you gain 5' in 850b but you lose the triluminous effect of 850a
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Yeah, thats the main difference, no triluminous. I wonder if its because of the 70" screen because the W950B 65" will have it. Odd.

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Yeah, thats the main difference, no triluminous. I wonder if its because of the 70" screen because the W950B 65" will have it. Odd.

No Triluminous would kill the deal for me unfortunately.  In my opinion Triluminous Display/Quantum Dots....whatever you want to call it is an even greater advancement in TV tech than 4K.

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Yeah, thats the main difference, no triluminous. I wonder if its because of the 70" screen because the W950B 65" will have it. Odd.

Do you know by chance if the W950B is supposed to be an upgrade to the W850A? I'm ready to pull the trigger & purchase, but if there are notable improvements announced at CES for the 950B I will wait it out. I just can't tell what the improvements would be. I don't know if there are added dimming zones, better sound, or what the selling point on waiting for the 2014 model is. I'm curious if they're making any PQ changes at all.
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No Triluminous would kill the deal for me unfortunately.  In my opinion Triluminous Display/Quantum Dots....whatever you want to call it is an even greater advancement in TV tech than 4K.
I 2nd that, and going 4K, sets really need to be quite large. For us to get the fullness of the 4K effect we're getting with a 65" 1080, a TV will have to be 130" at the same seating distance. These practically perfect uniformity Triluminous sets are the tech I've been waiting for since flat panels were released. I'm so picky about an even backlight.
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I sold my KDL-70R550A a few days ago. I really didn't like that TV. It had a few issues and i was in contact with Sony to replace it. I sold it before I heard back from Sony if they are replacing it or not. I showed the buyer the few issues, but it didn't seem to bother him, flashlighting, white dots, clouding, DSE. Anyways, I was considering the Sony 65" 850 or the Samsung F8000. Someone posted a price from memoryexpress in Canada for $1799 for the 65" 850A which sounds like a great deal. I tried to get futureshop to price match ( on sale for $2300 right now at FS) which they would have, but the 850A from memoryexpress is an in store sale and not online. I walked out empty handed.
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"Do you know by chance if the W950B is supposed to be an upgrade to the W850A? I'm ready to pull the trigger & purchase, but if there are notable improvements announced at CES for the 950B I will wait it out. I just can't tell what the improvements would be. I don't know if there are added dimming zones, better sound, or what the selling point on waiting for the 2014 model is. I'm curious if they're making any PQ changes at all."



From what I have read the design changes have been implemented to incorporate a better audio experience for both the 850/950B. In addition the 950B will add some dynamic color element that the current 850A doesn't have. Otherwise based on specs the 850A and 950B seem to have the same internals - screen uniformity could be better or worse / won't really know until its out. I find it curious that CNET didn't do a review on the 850A, they pretty much review every good set in a range, maybe they knew the 850A was just a short production line to fill the void until the 850/950B's came out.

The new design does look interesting, from the side its a really clean look since there is no slight bulge in the back like the 850/950A, not sure how the wall mount would look or work since the bass is wider than the top.
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Does this tv have HDMI 4.1?
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I still cant decide what to go for.

This tv or the 65 " samsung f8000....
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I still cant decide what to go for.

This tv or the 65 " samsung f8000....

The w850a has extremely low input lag and better colors. The F8000 has better backlight uniformity and a better smart tv interface, but if you are going to be gaming stay away from any of the samsung tv's as they are all 39ms + input lag.
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The w850a has extremely low input lag and better colors. The F8000 has better backlight uniformity and a better smart tv interface, but if you are going to be gaming stay away from any of the samsung tv's as they are all 39ms + input lag.

I aslo thougt that, until I just saw this on the samsung thread:
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This was posted on the F8000 Owner's Thread by yours truly:

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Input lag tests for the F8000 as of firmware version 1116 are as follows:

Standard Mode (With motion enhancers turned on):

1st reading: 34.1 ms
2nd reading: 34.0 ms
3rd reading: 33.0 ms
Average: 33.7 ms

Standard Mode (With motion enhancers turned off):

1st reading: 32.1 ms
2nd reading: 33.1 ms
3rd reading: 34.1ms
Average: 33.1 ms

Game Mode:

1st reading: 26.9 ms
2nd reading: 24.0 ms
3rd reading: 27.0 ms
Average: 26.0 ms

PC Mode:

1st reading: 27.0 ms
2nd reading: 27.1 ms
3rd reading: 29.0 ms
Average: 27.7 ms

Methodology: I have the Samsung S23A950D as my PC monitor and it is confirmed by DisplayLag to have an input lag reading of 22ms. I took the difference of the A950D minus the F8000 and then added the 22 ms of the A950D to get the final input lag reading. Shutter speed on my Lumia 925's camera was 1/200 of a second with ISO at 400. Ample brightness and the numbers were captured perfectly clear. Clock used: http://tft.vanity.dk/inputlag.html

Source: http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/ (look for the S23A950D to confirm 22ms)

Very pleased to see these numbers. I'm surprised that Game Mode is actually a hair quicker than PC Mode. But I'm not going to complain because Game Mode allows you to still use the Smart LED and a lot of other picture settings that are off limits in PC Mode. Over all, 26.0 ms average on Game Mode is fantastic. No one should have any problems using the F8000 for competitive gaming.

To be fair, the motion enhancers on/off was probably a negligible difference because nothing was moving to warrant the motion enhancers to process anything except for the input lag clock. But for standard mode with all the picture processing bells and whistles running, 33.1 to 33.7 ms of input lag is not at all bad. No lip sync issues when watching movies is nice.
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That testing is complete rubbish. Do not take anyones input lag results with any grain of truth unless they are using the LB input lag tester. The fact that he actually believes he is getting 33ms input lag with motion processing on rolleyes.gif
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That testing is complete rubbish. Do not take anyones input lag results with any grain of truth unless they are using the LB input lag tester. The fact that he actually believes he is getting 33ms input lag with motion processing on rolleyes.gif

I thought DRN94 was an "good" poster? smile.gif
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"Do you know by chance if the W950B is supposed to be an upgrade to the W850A? I'm ready to pull the trigger & purchase, but if there are notable improvements announced at CES for the 950B I will wait it out. I just can't tell what the improvements would be. I don't know if there are added dimming zones, better sound, or what the selling point on waiting for the 2014 model is. I'm curious if they're making any PQ changes at all."



From what I have read the design changes have been implemented to incorporate a better audio experience for both the 850/950B. In addition the 950B will add some dynamic color element that the current 850A doesn't have. Otherwise based on specs the 850A and 950B seem to have the same internals - screen uniformity could be better or worse / won't really know until its out. I find it curious that CNET didn't do a review on the 850A, they pretty much review every good set in a range, maybe they knew the 850A was just a short production line to fill the void until the 850/950B's came out.

The new design does look interesting, from the side its a really clean look since there is no slight bulge in the back like the 850/950A, not sure how the wall mount would look or work since the bass is wider than the top.



I stating to think that the 950b is Sony's way to charge more money for the TV by the new model number and some small improvements (sound, dynamic color and shape). There is no major performance changes so any difference has to be extremely small. The internal improvement for the sound has got to be small because the speaker are not that much different in size and the out put is only 10w x 10w. The 850a speaker output is 10w x 10w x 10w so it actually has more output due to the bass assist speaker. This year Sony is offering an optional wireless subwoofer which you can also add to the 850a. Also the 950b when it comes out will be at a higher price with out discounts so your better deal will be the 850a. Also Sony rep told me that the 850 will continue through 2014 and will not be discontinued. Not sure how far into 2014 but it is not going away just yet.
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Do you know by chance if the W950B is supposed to be an upgrade to the W850A? I'm ready to pull the trigger & purchase, but if there are notable improvements announced at CES for the 950B I will wait it out. I just can't tell what the improvements would be. I don't know if there are added dimming zones, better sound, or what the selling point on waiting for the 2014 model is. I'm curious if they're making any PQ changes at all.
I 2nd that, and going 4K, sets really need to be quite large. For us to get the fullness of the 4K effect we're getting with a 65" 1080, a TV will have to be 130" at the same seating distance. These practically perfect uniformity Triluminous sets are the tech I've been waiting for since flat panels were released. I'm so picky about an even backlight.

Not sure, too early to tell if it is. Sometimes these sets take steps backward.

I too would be curious how a flat wall mount works with an angled back...

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I found a little more detail on the W950B. "X-tended Dynamic" will add Loacal dimming, making a claimed 2x increase in brightness while at the same time making the darks darker. The color seems it will be based on the same Triluminous tech as the '13 W850a. The local dimming looks extremely impressive & a very large improvement in shadow detail. Only the very highest end XBR will have the Pro version of "X-tended" Dynamic, which will be up to 3x brighter & better with dark/brightness separation. I'm guessing the Pro will simply have more dimming zones than what the W950B will have.
The W950B will probably be quite pricey because of this new feature :/
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I was at Futureshop yesterday and compared the 65 inch Samsung F8000 with 65 inch Sony W850a. Both sets were on vivid mode. The red colors on Sony looked deep and bright, while the same red color on Samsung looked more towards orange. As matter of fact on most of the Samsung sets the red tended to look orangish. Could this be that the Sony w850a has triluminos color display that produces this deep red. Does Samsung in general have problem producing deep red colors (looks orangish).
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Unless both are properly calibrated, trying to compare is about as easy as finding a needle in 100 haystacks.

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Owners - how much vertical banding are you getting?

 

I definitely have some on mine.  Definitely noticeable during panning on things like an ice during hockey, soccer field, night sky.

 

Sounds like this is a common problem with LED TVs... but if mine is worse than most, I want to try replacing it.

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I was at Futureshop yesterday and compared the 65 inch Samsung F8000 with 65 inch Sony W850a. Both sets were on vivid mode. The red colors on Sony looked deep and bright, while the same red color on Samsung looked more towards orange. As matter of fact on most of the Samsung sets the red tended to look orangish. Could this be that the Sony w850a has triluminos color display that produces this deep red. Does Samsung in general have problem producing deep red colors (looks orangish).

Strange you mentioned on the display seeing the Samsung's Red looking more toward Orange. I noticed that same thing when looking at the TV's at Walmart which is the only TV display in town. The Sony's had a nice looking red but were not the large screen sets. The LG's Reds looked better than the Samsungs. I thought it might be a different distribution amplifier feed but since we both saw the same thing.

Sony says, their Triluminos panel will give brighter and more true colors.
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I found just a few tweaks is all it takes on this TV to get a great picture.

Scene Selection, set to General.....This prevents the TV from auto switching off of your Vivid or Standard settings.

Setting Memory, set to Common.....The settings will be used on all inputs like your blu-ray player and cable box.

PICTURE MODE - STANDARD......Use Standard for near all your TV watching.

Backlight, set to Max This 'one' change does it all.

All other Standard adjustments remain at default. I doubt you will find many other sets that can equal the picture quality of this Sony TV.
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PICTURE MODE - VIVID......two setting changes here.

Backlight, sets to 7

Sharpness, sets to 50

All other settings remain default

Use Vivid for older faded movies, DVD's and TV shows. Vivid enhances the picture/ colors and audio.

The picture mode was set to Standard when I took this screen shot of my TV. Click on the picture to see the large detailed view.


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Owners - how much vertical banding are you getting?

I definitely have some on mine.  Definitely noticeable during panning on things like an ice during hockey, soccer field, night sky.

Sounds like this is a common problem with LED TVs... but if mine is worse than most, I want to try replacing it.

I know what you mean with watching hockey, there is minimal vertical banding that I noticed. Also in Grey background when panning only. All other shots are incredible and only wish that the cable feed was much better quality. Only other suggestion would be to try a different HDMI cable to see if that makes a difference.

I'm still looking for the best setting to watch it in. But as far as the best so far they are from MakDonald's from a few pages back. Mine are very close, but adjust to what you like.

Setting Memory :Common
Picture mode:custom
Backlight: 6
Picture :90
Brightness :50
Colour:55
Hue:0
Colour Temperature :Neutral
Sharpness :60
Noise reduction :off
MPEG Noise Reduction :off
Dot Noise Reduction :off
Reality Creation :auto
Video Area Detection :off
Resolution :min (grayed out)
Noise filtering :min (grayed out)
Smooth Gradation:off
Motionflow :off
CineMotion:auto

Advanced Settings
Black corrector:off
Adv. Contrast Enhancer :off
Gamma:-1
LED Dynamic Control:Standard
Auto Light limiter:off
Clear white: off
Live colour:Low
White Balance :left as is 0
Detail Enhancer :off
Edge Enhancer :off
Skin Naturalizer:off
Display speed preference : off (grayed out)

This is based off of MakDonald's settings that were posted which is a good base line to start.

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Owners - how much vertical banding are you getting?

I definitely have some on mine.  Definitely noticeable during panning on things like an ice during hockey, soccer field, night sky.

Sounds like this is a common problem with LED TVs... but if mine is worse than most, I want to try replacing it.

I get a decent amount on any solid shot with white, blue (like sky, or night time shots), or green (like grass).. not too excited about it but since both sets I had exhibited the same issue I gave up - luckily i don't notice it all the time, although i do find myself looking for it more than I want to..

Don't know why a HDMI would make a difference with vertical banding? Ive tried two (not to test that hypothesis, just rearranging my living room I switched 2 cables I had with no difference). CNET had a nice review about HDMI cables and how after extensive testing with various price ranges/cables they couldn't discern any difference in picture quality from monoprice to audioquest.. I sometimes spend a decent amount of $ on RCA cables and power cables for my audio system but I honestly can't hear a difference with excellent ones vs decent ones either.
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When purchasing this TV, is there any type of panel I should look after that seems better then the others?

Or ar all the same version for the moment?
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