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Hi. I have been out of tho loop on all this stuff since I bought my JVC years ago. With so much to choose from it is pretty overwhelming.

So here is what I am looking for. What is the best display around 70" in the $2000 +/- range? I am currently looking at a plasma set and a LED unit. The plasma is the Panasonic TCP65VT60. The LED is Sony KDL 70R550A. I am open to other suggestions.

Plasma vs LCD vs LED?

My room is pretty big 24' square. We sit about 14" back. There are several windows and with the JVC DLP display I tend to close the blinds on sunny day.

Used mostly for movies, HDTV (lots of sports) and some gaming when my son is home from college.

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What's your max budget?

 

The Sony KLD was also my first choice about a month ago, because it had come down so much in price. Unfortunately the PQ was simply not good enough. The panasonic plasmas are rated number one, however after some extensive testing i found the active 3d to be too dark for my Florida living room.

I ended up buying the Sony Sony XBR-65X900A 65-Inch 4K Ultra HD 120Hz 3D LED UHDTV (Black)

 

You should also check out the Samsung 7100 series.

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Forgot to say that Vizio M series is not bad at all. Better than the KDL, and better than the sharps.

The passive 3d is also excellent.

I'm not a huge Vizio fan but the M series is good.

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Thanks. What you are saying about the Sony is exactly what I have been reading and has scared me.

Much of our watching is in the dark. It is already dark by 6:30 in New England. I am guessing that might sway your thoughts on the Panasonic.

The 4K Sony is beautiful but that will have to wait until next time.

I will look at the Vizio ans Samsung.
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Yes if you are in the dark, the plasmas are a better choice.

I know that the Samsung plasma is much brighter than the Panasonics for those who have sunshine this may be a better option.

 

From what I hear, the middle ranked Panasonic is the best..not the zt, the next one down is just as good.

 

It's just that those 3d glasses are soooo dark.

I do not like active 3d, I prefer passive

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Thanks again.

We do have some sunlight here so it is still a concern.

I would also rather have passive 3D. I see the Samsung plasma is active as well.
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Yes all samsung have active 3d.

Please check the 3d quality because it gave us a head ache. There is like a very faint flickering on all active 3d sets.

You should also check the 2d to 3d conversion.

 

Again, if you can afford it the Sony 4k xbr is the best picture quality out there.

 

The LG full array led lighting is also excellent but more expensive.

 

They both have passive 3d.

 

Vizio M series also has passive 3d, you may want to check it out.

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My wife hates 3D so that is not a big priority. It might be something we watch occasionally but not as a rule. I have 3D pretty far down on my needs list and I can't ever see us using 3D conversion.

The Sony 4K is out of my price range.

Vizio M series looks interesting. Better than the Sony KDL you returned?
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I have to say that I was totally against 3d and also would have said exactly what you are saying a few months ago.

When i saw passive 3d for the first time, I realized i was wrong.

Do you enjoy Imax 3d in theaters?

Its the same on the tv, but only much better.

 

I prefer the Vizio colors to the KDL, however you need to check both out.

Go to BB and spend some time.

 

What I strongly recommend is that you put a video clip (or something you like to watch) on a thumb drive, and when you go to BB try both tv's.

Here are some video clips from You tube that I use to test tv's. All can be downloaded in 1080. 

Install a free program called 4k downloader on your pc.

 

Download the following in 1080 and put them on a usb stick

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_okcNVZqqI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b4qMBKEN88

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD0ov1bVup8

 

These will test color and sound etc...of any tv.

Just ask the BB rep to insert the thumb drive...and enjoy

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You may as well add these to check for black levels

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgKXcQ9PLuc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-GYrbecb88

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oXBfxHn5FM

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This is a good one to test color and sound

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3xAChk39qs

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So you are saying the passive 3D is a different experience than active? My wife actually does not like 3D in the theater either. She would much rather watch the same movie without 3D.
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There's just no comparison between 3D at home on a decent-sized 3DTV and RealD in theaters. (Dunno about IMAX 3D in theater; the closest one to me is so far I've never seen one...yet). My wife was opposed to me getting our LG 65LW6500 (passive 3D), 3D player, 3D Blu-Rays, etc. Her point being why are you spending all that money for something that looks so unimpressive in theater. But she changed her mind quickly when I sat her down and we watched Hugo 3D. tongue.gif

Active versus passive is a separate question.
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We have seen the in-store demos and liked it, but I still get, "I will never watch that at home." I am hoping I will have the same experience as you. Everything else in the chain is ready for 3D.
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Guys

 

Active has a flickering which can disturb some people. With active I get headaches. It depends on your sensitivity.

Also there's a battery in active glasses.

Active glasses are much more expensive. They are often bulkier.

Active glasses are often darker (the lens). 

On plasmas which already have a tendency to be darker...active 3d makes things worse by darkening even more.

 

Passive is like wearing glasses in a movie theater. No battery.

The quality of passive 3d is far superior in my opinion.

 

I have bought some cheaper $10 glasses as well as some more expensive $70 glasses by Oakley ...they are not dark at all, in fact they are as clear as normal reading glasses.

 

LG AND SONY AND VIZIO HAVE PASSIVE 3D FOR THE MOST PART.

SAMSUNG, PANASONIC, SHARP HAVE ACTIVE.

 

 

 

There are two types of 3d I want to discuss :

True 3d coming from a 3d blue ray player AND "FAUX" or fake 3d (called 2d to 3d conversion).

 

All 3d televisions will play 3d blue ray players. The quality of 3d on a 3d BR movie is a REAL 3d effect.

 

Most 3d tv's also have a feature called 2d to 3d conversion. (simulated 3d, or faux 3d)

What this does it converts normal 2d into a fake 3d.

 

Vizio does not have this feature. All other Tv's do.

 

Let me tell you that simulated 3d is amazing. Sony also lets you choose the depth of conversion to suit your taste. Most sony's have LOW MEDIUM AND HIGH.

 

When i saw this simulated 3d, I no longer want to watch 2d At all !!!!

it just gives the picture more depth...awsome!!

 

I would urge you to go and see the difference between the Active and the passive 3d...go to any tv store (Hhgregg, BB ..etc) 

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Wow! This is the information I was looking for. Two things my wife complains about in the 3D demos we have seen at BB. Headaches and picture being too dark. It has been a while but I believe all the demos we have seen have been on active sets.
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Wow! This is the information I was looking for. Two things my wife complains about in the 3D demos we have seen at BB. Headaches and picture being too dark. It has been a while but I believe all the demos we have seen have been on active sets.

 

Forget in store demos.

Copy some stuff onto a USB thumb drive and take it to the store. In this manner you can watch your own content on multiple tv's and finally choose your tv.

 

I strongly recommend you download this clip called ink drops. It will separate the bad tv's from the good, by exhibiting white levels, color etc.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_okcNVZqqI

 

Download this first 

http://www.4kdownload.com/

 

This little free program will allow you to download You tube content. 

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I am hoping to go look some this weekend.

I did download the clips as you suggested earlier. I noticed some only came 720P.
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I am hoping to go look some this weekend.

I did download the clips as you suggested earlier. I noticed some only came 720P.

Yes indeed

some are 720p.

 

This will give you the ability to see if the tv upscales the signal well.

A good tv will upscale 720 to 1080.

 

If you check out enigmatic chill out sessions, it starts at 1080, then after about 10 minutes goes back to 720...

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Hey I have a 60" 7100 series and i was hoping for some Awnsers. I was watching tv and it turned of and the on/off light flashes and it makes click sound like its coming on! Any help is greatly appreciated
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