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Oh WOW! We both said "O_O That's impressive!" when we saw the black levels. That is absolutely phenomenal! Hands down the most uniform set I've yet to see a picture of. I have to say I'm really happy for you guys. That's what a TV "should" look like.
THANK YOU, Scpanel & Daystar5 for taking the time out to upload some images!
SC, I've debated & debated on 4K, but here are my thoughts. Matching resolution is most wise, and I'm curious as to how large of a library Netflix is going to be able to offer in 4K with so many movies only watchable in standard definition. The other thing I think back to is when (not on my XBR2) I was watching a BluRay on my parents old 42" flat panel years back and at that size comparing to SD. I'm so picky I'd say I'm anal about picture from resolution to color accuracy to...you name it & I could see no note worthy difference between a standard DVD Vs a BluRay at that size.
I'm worried that with a panel displaying 2160 Native lines that it's going to introduce other issues with the content that is now standard to us (1080). Either the set will do an excellent job at up conversion or it could bring in distortion from content we're currently watching. Kind of like taking studio monitor headphones & playing an MP3 file and suddenly you hear popping, because it picks up every bit of detail, and you have to listen to all "Lossless" audio or else not only do you not get to experience what they're capable of if your listening to your old library, but you "must" play the finest audio files.
So, for me I (this is just my opinion) I would find it an honor to have the holy grail of 1080p since the majority of our content is 1080 lines, and in a couple of years I will look into larger, higher def TVs for 4K resolution, and in this next paragraph I'll explain why (which is mainly viewing distance).
I'm sorry if my rambling is too much, and you guys probably know far more than me, but here's the biggest thing that comes to my mind when considering 4k. At 70" in 4K we are going to see the clarity we do now on a theoretical 35" TV displaying half the resolution (1080p). It is noticeable, but with how little 480 Vs 1080 is noticeably different on a 35" panel is not by much, and I have a feeling 80-90" reasonably priced 4K panels will be out within a couple to a few years. I feel that with double the resolution, our panels will need to be double the size to give use the same "WOW" factor we're used to.
Maximum Viewing distance (recommended) - 4K Vs 2K/1080p at 65" :
1080p/65" = 10 Feet Maximum Recommendation
2160p/65" = 5 Feet Maximum Recommended viewing distance
(^ Lets be fair and say those are minimums & doubling that distance would be your maximum)
Viewing Distance Where Resolution Becomes Noticeable - 4K Vs 2K at 65" :
1080p/65" = 9 Feet
2160p/65" = 4 1/2 Feet (I'm assuming they mean "pixelation" at these distances)
From what I gather, 20ft (double the recommended seating/viewing distance) is the Maximum Acceptable viewing distance at 1080/65".
At 10ft you would hit that mark in 4K.
So, I would say for a test to stand double your viewing distance from your 1080 signals. This should give you an idea of resolution degradation if you were to swap to 4K at your current viewing distance when viewing 4K content. Your 1080 signals would probably be the same as what you see now at your current viewing distance, but I fear 4K content would not be able to be seen in all it's glory.
The link below shows that with 20/20 vision 10ft (15ft should still be acceptable in my opinion) is the recommended viewing distance to be able get the most benefit from 1080 on a 65" set & begins to lose it's PQ.
At 2160 (4K) you would need to be 5ft (I THINK 8ft would be "acceptable") away or less to see the quality of resolution on a 65" panel that you can at 10ft in 1080. So, paying extra, or waiting longer for 4K in the same dimensions would benefit, but only if you're twice as close to the screen, or else the screen would need to be double the size at a whopping 130" to get the same benefit. Of course if you're within the 5 Foot range your viewing experience would be a dream.
I feel 46" is reasonable at 1080 & 65" is in my opinion "perfect" for my viewing area. So, I could see myself going 4K, but not until it doubles the 46" mark at around 90-100". At my current viewing distance I would have to have no less than a 92" 4K panel to reap the full benefit of 4K that I am now with 1080 (being able to fully enjoy those extra pixels).
You guys probably already knew all of this and I'm really sorry if I was of any bother, but if not I hope this chart helps you with your decision and clarifies your thoughts on 4K
Edit: Now I feel extremely non-intelligent since this is a 4K TV. Sorry! Maybe the charts will give some insight if anyone isn't familiar.
Is what I think the viewing quality is like true? Do you really have to be so close to fully enjoy 4K, and if you don't mind could you guys tell me your seating distances?
I sit about 7-8 feet, and from the couch its about 6 away