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Out of curiosity, why would IPS be better for sports? Is it a brightness issue? The MVA in my set can sear my retinas. The big issue is motion blur which I don't think IPS fixes. I do wish it had better uniformity though. Ever since you mentioned it, I can't help but see the banding....

FWIW, this site says the B also has 8 bit 4:2:0 color. Not sure how accurate that is though

http://4ktvsguide.blogspot.com/2014/...r-55x850b.html
The banding alone is why I say it would be better for sports. Both TVs handle blur good enough. Personally, the banding on the 900a/850a and 900b makes sports unwatchable. Once you see it, it becomes a total distraction.
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The banding alone is why I say it would be better for sports. Both TVs handle blur good enough. Personally, the banding on the 900a/850a and 900b makes sports unwatchable. Once you see it, it becomes a total distraction.
I thought I read that there was banding on the X850B and the W950B the two models that use the IPS lg panel. People have return them for banding clouding. Maybe you were lucky with your set
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I thought I read that there was banding on the X850B and the W950B the two models that use the IPS lg panel. People have return them for banding clouding. Maybe you were lucky with your set
The only people I have seen reporting banding with the 850b's are the 70". That uses a different panel than the 55" and 65"
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The only people I have seen reporting banding with the 850b's are the 70". That uses a different panel than the 55" and 65"
All panels have some form of banding and clouding. Some have more than other but that is usually dependent on the batch that is made and being used. Google IPS panels and banding. Sometimes it takes About a month or so for banding to dhow up.
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All panels have some form of banding and clouding. Some have more than other but that is usually dependent on the batch that is made and being used. Google IPS panels and banding. Sometimes it takes About a month or so for banding to dhow up.
I know. Just from what I have personally seen it is much more uniform on the 850b. The main problem I have seen is flash lighting, caused by the frame lit. The ones I have seen did not have flash lighting, I just have heard it here.
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I know. Just from what I have personally seen it is much more uniform on the 850b. The main problem I have seen is flash lighting, caused by the frame lit. The ones I have seen did not have flash lighting, I just have heard it here.
Thanks for your help. I am concerned with connectivity on the future for 4k. What I learned is that the x850b has the same HDMI 2.0 spec as the X850a
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Does anybody know if the PS3 3D glasses or any of the Truedepth 3d glasses work with this set? Thanks
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Out of curiosity, why would IPS be better for sports? Is it a brightness issue? The MVA in my set can sear my retinas. The big issue is motion blur which I don't think IPS fixes. I do wish it had better uniformity though. Ever since you mentioned it, I can't help but see the banding....

FWIW, this site says the B also has 8 bit 4:2:0 color. Not sure how accurate that is though

http://4ktvsguide.blogspot.com/2014/...r-55x850b.html

Thanks for you information. I am surprised that the X850B is the same HDMI 2.0 spec as the X850A. But the X850A does not have the H.265. I was expecting the X850B to have a higher spec than the X850a but it does not. The only connectivity issue the X850A is missing that I am aware of is the H.265 which is fixed by using the Sony box at $499 which will also then give me more 4K content.


I have viewed the 65X850A side by side with the 70X850B and the X850A has a better picture in terms of color and blacks but both had a great picture. If I did not get such a great deal on the X850a I probably would have waited for the next price reduction and purchased the 65X850B. The thing that has bothered me about the 65X850B was that it did not have local dimming, Motion flow 960 and does not have the X-tended Dynamic Range technology along with the Quantum dot Triluminos Panel. The big concern for me was that the 65X850B uses the IPS LG panel which produces weaker contrast and blacks as compared to the VA panels. I am coming from a Sony 65W850a that uses a VA panel and I am concerned I will miss the deep blacks and contrast of the VA panel. According to the Sony rep the X850A has higher end features than the X850B and that the X850A was more equal to performance to the new X900B. According to the Sony Rep the X850 line was produced with price in mind so it is missing some features. Again my concern is the connectivity which is still not real clear.

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Thanks for you information. I am surprised that the X850B is the same HDMI 2.0 spec as the X850A. But the X850A does not have the H.265. I was expecting the X850B to have a higher spec than the X850a but it does not. The only connectivity issue the X850A is missing that I am aware of is the H.265 which is fixed by using the Sony box at $499 which will also then give me more 4K content.


I have viewed the 65X850A side by side with the 70X850B and the X850A has a better picture in terms of color and blacks but both had a great picture. If I did not get such a great deal on the X850a I probably would have waited for the next price reduction and purchased the 65X850B. The thing that has bothered me about the 65X850B was that it did not have local dimming, Motion flow 960 and does not have the X-tended Dynamic Range technology along with the Quantum dot Triluminos Panel. The big concern for me was that the 65X850B uses the IPS LG panel which produces weaker contrast and blacks as compared to the VA panels. I am coming from a Sony 65W850a that uses a VA panel and I am concerned I will miss the deep blacks and contrast of the VA panel. According to the Sony rep the X850A has higher end features than the X850B and that the X850A was more equal to performance to the new X900B. According to the Sony Rep the X850 line was produced with price in mind so it is missing some features. Again my concern is the connectivity which is still not real clear.







I have only seen the comparison between the 65X850A and the 70X850B which is different than the 65X850B because it uses a different panel and the screen is more glossy.


If anyone has actually seen these two sets (65X850A and 65X850B) together I would like to know their opinions. Thanks.
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I have only seen the comparison between the 65X850A and the 70X850B which is different than the 65X850B because it uses a different panel and the screen is more glossy.


If anyone has actually seen these two sets (65X850A and 65X850B) together I would like to know their opinions. Thanks.
Wednesday I will be able to compare a 65x900a to the 65x850b
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I just received an update on the Australian model, does anyone know if it brings anything new?
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I just received an update on the Australian model, does anyone know if it brings anything new?
I am base in Hong Kong and got the same new update too, wonder what is about and if i needed to reset to default is around to activate the updates.
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I am base in Hong Kong and got the same new update too, wonder what is about and if i needed to reset to default is around to activate the updates.

Just got the XBR65X850A delivered today and I received this new update also. I have no idea what it did.


My any chance is there a break in period for this set. It appears that gaming and blurays look fantastic but Comcast cable with the X1 box looks on the soft side at times. Any suggestions? My previous Sony 65W850A looked sharper. Thanks.
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Just got the XBR65X850A delivered today and I received this new update also. I have no idea what it did.


My any chance is there a break in period for this set. It appears that gaming and blurays look fantastic but Comcast cable with the X1 box looks on the soft side at times. Any suggestions? My previous Sony 65W850A looked sharper. Thanks.
Are your scene and picture adjustments different for the inputs you feel are not looking best?

I pretty much have the same Cinema1/Warm2 across the board and all sources look as good as they can.

I'm happy with having Netflix 4K through the X10 player now, because the Netflix application on my TV (65X900A) did not allow adjustments in the Netflix application. I guess Sony felt if you couldn't adjust your computer monitor to watch the first incarnation of Netflix, you didn't need to make an adjustments when you watched it on a real live television.... sorta silly if you ask me.
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Thanks for you information. I am surprised that the X850B is the same HDMI 2.0 spec as the X850A. But the X850A does not have the H.265. I was expecting the X850B to have a higher spec than the X850a but it does not. The only connectivity issue the X850A is missing that I am aware of is the H.265 which is fixed by using the Sony box at $499 which will also then give me more 4K content.


I have viewed the 65X850A side by side with the 70X850B and the X850A has a better picture in terms of color and blacks but both had a great picture. If I did not get such a great deal on the X850a I probably would have waited for the next price reduction and purchased the 65X850B. The thing that has bothered me about the 65X850B was that it did not have local dimming, Motion flow 960 and does not have the X-tended Dynamic Range technology along with the Quantum dot Triluminos Panel. The big concern for me was that the 65X850B uses the IPS LG panel which produces weaker contrast and blacks as compared to the VA panels. I am coming from a Sony 65W850a that uses a VA panel and I am concerned I will miss the deep blacks and contrast of the VA panel. According to the Sony rep the X850A has higher end features than the X850B and that the X850A was more equal to performance to the new X900B. According to the Sony Rep the X850 line was produced with price in mind so it is missing some features. Again my concern is the connectivity which is still not real clear.
Same here. I bought the 850A because of the recent price drop. It's similar to buying last season's clothes for women.
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Are your scene and picture adjustments different for the inputs you feel are not looking best?

I pretty much have the same Cinema1/Warm2 across the board and all sources look as good as they can.

I'm happy with having Netflix 4K through the X10 player now, because the Netflix application on my TV (65X900A) did not allow adjustments in the Netflix application. I guess Sony felt if you couldn't adjust your computer monitor to watch the first incarnation of Netflix, you didn't need to make an adjustments when you watched it on a real live television.... sorta silly if you ask me.


I have all the inputs set to common. I use standard with all the filter turned off. The cable does not look as sharp as my 65W850A (1080P) tv and I am confused. Many times it looks soft. I have Comcast with the X1 box and I used the 1080P tv in the same spot with the same connections. I have a choice on the X1 DVR for resolution, 1080I, 1080P 30hz, 1080P 60hz. I have looked at all three and it appears that the 1080I good a little better than the others. Do you have to use reality creation on manual and turn up the sharpness? Is this the way 4K looks with cable? If this is the way it looks I will go back to 1080P TV.
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This is something a lot of people don't realize with the 850A. When you go into settings to change the picture parameters, the only options are Standard, Vivid, and Custom. That's only if you have the TV set to General Mode. If you go into Preferences and then pick one of the other modes, Cinema, Sports, Auto 24P, etc, and then go back to your picture settings, all of your picture options are going to be different. You have to change the picture mode from General to one of the other 12-14 or so picture modes and then go back into your picture settings. If you downloaded the iManual from Sony's website so you can read the pdf version instead of reading it off the screen, it's on page 163.
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This is something a lot of people don't realize with the 850A. When you go into settings to change the picture parameters, the only options are Standard, Vivid, and Custom. That's only if you have the TV set to General Mode. If you go into Preferences and then pick one of the other modes, Cinema, Sports, Auto 24P, etc, and then go back to your picture settings, all of your picture options are going to be different. You have to change the picture mode from General to one of the other 12-14 or so picture modes and then go back into your picture settings. If you downloaded the iManual from Sony's website so you can read the pdf version instead of reading it off the screen, it's on page 163.

I just did a side by side comparison between my new Sony 65X850A and the 65W850A and and I am extremely disappointed in the 65X850A. Both my son and I both agree that the 65W850A (1080P) overall looked better. The 65W850A looked sharper overall especially in peoples faces. Also we thought that the X850A looked dark and could never brighten it up like the W850A. I hope that the 4K X-reality Pro circuit is not working correctly, the up scaling at least what I heard should make it look better than 1080P TV on cable and Blu-ray. I hope that 4K is really better tan 1080P or I wasted my money.


Also I am getting a jump in the picture (inconsistent motion) when using any of the Motion Flo settings. When I turn motion flow off it is resolved. Again probably a defect in the Motion Flow circuit.


There are no more 65x850a so my choices are to fix the TV or replace it with the New 65X850B. My concern with the 65X850B is that it is a step down in picture performance features and black level due to the IPS panel but it still may produce a better overall picture. Appreciate any comments. Thanks.
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I just did a side by side comparison between my new Sony 65X850A and the 65W850A and and I am extremely disappointed in the 65X850A. Both my son and I both agree that the 65W850A (1080P) overall looked better. The 65W850A looked sharper overall especially in peoples faces. Also we thought that the X850A looked dark and could never brighten it up like the W850A. I hope that the 4K X-reality Pro circuit is not working correctly, the up scaling at least what I heard should make it look better than 1080P TV on cable and Blu-ray. I hope that 4K is really better tan 1080P or I wasted my money.


Also I am getting a jump in the picture (inconsistent motion) when using any of the Motion Flo settings. When I turn motion flow off it is resolved. Again probably a defect in the Motion Flow circuit.


There are no more 65x850a so my choices are to fix the TV or replace it with the New 65X850B. My concern with the 65X850B is that it is a step down in picture performance features and black level due to the IPS panel but it still may produce a better overall picture. Appreciate any comments. Thanks.

Had you done any calibration on the two sets including setting the sharpness levels appropriately? With respect to brightness, I have my backlight set to 4 in a relatively bright room. Otherwise it's retina searing
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I just did a side by side comparison between my new Sony 65X850A and the 65W850A and and I am extremely disappointed in the 65X850A. Both my son and I both agree that the 65W850A (1080P) overall looked better. The 65W850A looked sharper overall especially in peoples faces. Also we thought that the X850A looked dark and could never brighten it up like the W850A. I hope that the 4K X-reality Pro circuit is not working correctly, the up scaling at least what I heard should make it look better than 1080P TV on cable and Blu-ray. I hope that 4K is really better tan 1080P or I wasted my money.


Also I am getting a jump in the picture (inconsistent motion) when using any of the Motion Flo settings. When I turn motion flow off it is resolved. Again probably a defect in the Motion Flow circuit.


There are no more 65x850a so my choices are to fix the TV or replace it with the New 65X850B. My concern with the 65X850B is that it is a step down in picture performance features and black level due to the IPS panel but it still may produce a better overall picture. Appreciate any comments. Thanks.
Out of curiosity with the recent LG OLED price drop, is $3500 in your budget and is 55" an acceptable size? If I had known they would do that, I would have totally held off and gotten an OLED. But just like everything in Tech, once you buy something, something immediately comes out that makes you wish you waited. Anyway, just something to think about. It'll solve black level and motion processing issues.
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I just did a side by side comparison between my new Sony 65X850A and the 65W850A and and I am extremely disappointed in the 65X850A. Both my son and I both agree that the 65W850A (1080P) overall looked better. The 65W850A looked sharper overall especially in peoples faces. Also we thought that the X850A looked dark and could never brighten it up like the W850A. I hope that the 4K X-reality Pro circuit is not working correctly, the up scaling at least what I heard should make it look better than 1080P TV on cable and Blu-ray. I hope that 4K is really better tan 1080P or I wasted my money.


Also I am getting a jump in the picture (inconsistent motion) when using any of the Motion Flo settings. When I turn motion flow off it is resolved. Again probably a defect in the Motion Flow circuit.


There are no more 65x850a so my choices are to fix the TV or replace it with the New 65X850B. My concern with the 65X850B is that it is a step down in picture performance features and black level due to the IPS panel but it still may produce a better overall picture. Appreciate any comments. Thanks.
Just out of curiosity, what picture settings have you used? Vivid, Standard, and what else? My 850A, when on the right settings, can get so bright that it makes you squint, but at the same time has really deep blacks and color. What is your Video Color Space (x.v.Color) set for and the Dynamic Range of your inputs? Do you have the Scene Select on any particular scene, auto, or auto (24P Sync)?
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Just out of curiosity, what picture settings have you used? Vivid, Standard, and what else? My 850A, when on the right settings, can get so bright that it makes you squint, but at the same time has really deep blacks and color. What is your Video Color Space (x.v.Color) set for and the Dynamic Range of your inputs? Do you have the Scene Select on any particular scene, auto, or auto (24P Sync)?





I use scene select usually on general and I have used AUTO do not but see much of a difference. I use standard setting with the filters off , backlight 7 and picture 95. I have not adjusted color space and dynamic range, they are at factory settings.


The faces on people look soft but on distant scenes shots it looks good but close up shots like faces look soft. It is like I have a hard time focusing on the total picture. I feel it is definitely not working right (4K X-reality Pro). On my first 65W850A (1080P) the set had panel problems but the picture too was soft. When I exchanged it the next TV was so much clearer and sharper. They are either defects or their is a wide range of variances in the product. I would not think it is the panel but the X Reality pro and Motion flow circuits which are on the main board. But if fix and they change the main board would they have to do a calibration the TV again? Thanks.
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I don't know if this makes a difference or not, but every time I watch something in 4K, it automatically changes the scene selection to Cinema. If you try different scene settings, then go back to picture settings, you'll see different types of settings than you see when it's set to auto or general. Try changing it to Cinema and go back to your picture settings and try changing the settings using Cinema 1 and Cinema 2. Have you tried watching something on DVD or any other components or tried different HDMI ports? Is your cable box set to display 1080P? Or do you have other display settings on your cable box? Put it on HBO, ESPN, or another channel that definitely broadcasts in 1080P and press the display button on the remote and see if it says 1080P in the top left corner.

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Does anyone use Sony's TV Sideview? If so, is it worth installing and trying out? Samsung has similar software, but with most of them, the manufacturers assume we all have to change the channel on our TVs, not a satellite box. Samsung's would actually work if I didn't have RF remotes for everything.
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Had a question on the reality Creation control. When does Mastered in 4K become active to be usable? What does it do? Does it make a difference? I thought I saw it active once playing a disc now I cannot get it to work.


If I had to guess, it activates when viewing movies MASTERED IN 4K by SONY, correct? When I view the new Amazing Spiderman 2 which is mastered in 4 K it still is not active. Any ideas about this?
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It's active when I have the TV set on Cinema and I'm watching something from the Sony FMP-X10.

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Hello X850A owners!

I have an opportunity to purchase a display unit 65x850a for $2,300...possibly less.

Is this a good value in your opinions? Would rhis set be a good replacement for a dying 55XBR8? I checked operating hours on the floor model and it had about 3,500 hours on it.

I'm also considering regular pricing on a 60" or 65" Samsung 7150 or 6400. I really would like to be under $2k, which is hard to do with the 4K TVs in that size range,and barely doable in that size range for the top tier 1080p LEDs.

Are most of you happy/ecstatic with this TV choice after owning it for however long? What are the cons on this TV.

Any comments are welcome. The TV might not make it through this Labor Day sale weekend, so I might need to make a move quick.

Thanks in advance!
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Hello X850A owners!



I have an opportunity to purchase a display unit 65x850a for $2,300...possibly less.



Is this a good value in your opinions? Would rhis set be a good replacement for a dying 55XBR8? I checked operating hours on the floor model and it had about 3,500 hours on it.



I'm also considering regular pricing on a 60" or 65" Samsung 7150 or 6400. I really would like to be under $2k, which is hard to do with the 4K TVs in that size range,and barely doable in that size range for the top tier 1080p LEDs.



Are most of you happy/ecstatic with this TV choice after owning it for however long? What are the cons on this TV.



Any comments are welcome. The TV might not make it through this Labor Day sale weekend, so I might need to make a move quick.



Thanks in advance!

2,300 was the going rate for a NEW 65x850a at best buy before they sold out so I don't think it's a tremendous value for a floor model.
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Hello X850A owners!



I have an opportunity to purchase a display unit 65x850a for $2,300...possibly less.



Is this a good value in your opinions? Would rhis set be a good replacement for a dying 55XBR8? I checked operating hours on the floor model and it had about 3,500 hours on it.



I'm also considering regular pricing on a 60" or 65" Samsung 7150 or 6400. I really would like to be under $2k, which is hard to do with the 4K TVs in that size range,and barely doable in that size range for the top tier 1080p LEDs.



Are most of you happy/ecstatic with this TV choice after owning it for however long? What are the cons on this TV.



Any comments are welcome. The TV might not make it through this Labor Day sale weekend, so I might need to make a move quick.



Thanks in advance!

2,300 was the going rate for a NEW 65x850a at best buy before they sold out so I don't think it's a tremendous value for a floor model.
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I'd buy it. It doesn't have built-in H.265 encoding, but you can buy the Sony FMP-X10 in addition to that, which will then give you H.265 encoding. Besides, I think the 850A has a better picture than the newer sets that cost twice that.

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