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post #31 of 49 Old 10-29-2013, 07:24 PM
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So FALD is on its way out, along with Panasonic Plasma. Anything else going out? Would hate to buy a new TV and have them shut production down making the warranty useless.

That's why, in this case, a carefully explored extended warranty might be a good idea.
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Latino Sony pretty much confirmed at the beginning of the year that full array led was on its way out due to cost saving measures. I agree though if the guy wants a good Plasma set he better get one now especially if its a Panasonic.


Ok, I see thanks for the info but Sony isn't the only company to produce FALD LCD's. LG as well as Sharp have agreed as well?

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Latino Sony pretty much confirmed at the beginning of the year that full array led was on its way out due to cost saving measures. I agree though if the guy wants a good Plasma set he better get one now especially if its a Panasonic.


Ok, I see thanks for the info but Sony isn't the only company to produce FALD LCD's. LG as well as Sharp have agreed as well?


From what I heard they have agreed to stop producing FALD LCD's as well. Like I said its a cost saving measure. I should say they are not going to stop all together the production of FALD LCD's but they are going to be a limited production. I have learned that when manufactures are saying tv sales are doing great that its always not the case. Tv sales have been down in 2013 so manufactures like Sony, LG, Samsung ect cut back on features. They are banking on 4K being a big hit and so far it hasn't because a lot of people don't have that kind of money to spend on something that aint that big of an improvement over a regular 1080p tv.
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Isn't LG's new 4k TV FALD?
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Isn't LG's new 4k TV FALD?

Yes, their 4K 55" and 65" are technically FALD, but they are just are not implemented as good as past Elite and Sony models. It is like their previous 1080p sets, good but not great. The only current set that does it good is the ultra expensive Samsung 85" 4K S9. Not many are planning FALD set, though Ultra D says their glasses free 3D panel made by China Star (CSOT) will be. If Sharp can get its IGZO into their larger displays, edge lighting should be sufficient as the backplane is much thinner and transmits more light.
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Yes, their 4K 55" and 65" are technically FALD, but they are just are not implemented as good as past Elite and Sony models. It is like their previous 1080p sets, good but not great. The only current set that does it good is the ultra expensive Samsung 85" 4K S9. Not many are planning FALD set, though Ultra D says their glasses free 3D panel made by China Star (CSOT) will be. If Sharp can get its IGZO into their larger displays, edge lighting should be sufficient as the backplane is much thinner and transmits more light.

Not sure I understand your last sentence. Are you saying that a Sharp with a IGZO panel can produce black levels equal to the FALD Elites? Thanks
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Not sure I understand your last sentence. Are you saying that a Sharp with a IGZO panel can produce black levels equal to the FALD Elites? Thanks

Don't think it could quite reach the Elite in terms of black levels, but an IGZO backplane with a MothEye AR filter could increase contrast.
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You might want to consider contrast over blacks levels. I have two FALD'S TV'S and I really like that the TV can go total black. I mean with the lights out you can not see the TV. Unlike Plasma gray you can't see any light on a FALD TV.
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You might want to consider contrast over blacks levels. I have two FALD'S TV'S and I really like that the TV can go total black. I mean with the lights out you can not see the TV. Unlike Plasma gray you can't see any light on a FALD TV.

What TV's do you have?
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What TV's do you have?
Samsung 81F FALD LED (http://www.gizmag.com/go/6118/) and the LG LV 9500 NANO FALD LED . I don't know why the LG LM 9600 got bad reviews. (LG did make changes from the LV 9500)
If you watch I AM LEGAND with actor Will Smith and go to the scene when Will shuts the shutters in the room , my TV goes total black, in a totally black room you will not see the TV , it is that black!
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Having had a sharp elite, it also shows total black. I am pretty sure the XBR950 also does. If you go with either of those (again both can still be found), you will be good. I would hurry on either though because they won't be around much longer.
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agree.I am hoping that we will see more than one 4k 75-80" FALD set but you may not like the price.

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Price on those is gonna be ridiculous
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You might want to consider contrast over blacks levels. I have two FALD'S TV'S and I really like that the TV can go total black. I mean with the lights out you can not see the TV. Unlike Plasma gray you can't see any light on a FALD TV.

Where can I look up contrast levels? Most of the sites I've been looking at don't show anything.
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You should just wait two months for CES in January. A whole ton of new TVs is going to be announced, including high end LED by Panasonic now that they are out of Plasma business.
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^^^^ Thanks for the info. I don't plan on buying anytime soon, but want to get an idea of whats available. Realistically I'll be buying one in 5 or so months. Unless there is an amazing BF sale this month.
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Where can I look up contrast levels? Most of the sites I've been looking at don't show anything.

There is no universal way to test contrast levels and because of this they should just be ignored. Or at least see them for what they are, marketing.
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If you are talking about contrast ratios that may be true because they can vary considerably depending on how they are calculated, but properly setting the contrast on your panel is essential to optimal pq. Contrast sets the brightness between the lighter and darker parts of the picture. There are quite a few calibration disks that you can use like the free AVS HD709 or a commercial one like WoW, Spears & Munsil, etc that have patterns for properly adjusting the contrast once brightness is set.
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I have the WoW blu ray disc. So when I'm looking at these LED TV's online, what should I look for? I don't live in a "city", all we have in my town is a Wal-Mart and I'm not going to buy a TV from there.
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