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Hi, I've been looking for a tv that will suit me for gaming and some movie watching on my ps4. My budget is about 1,300$ and I was thinking of this tv http://www.amazon.com/Sony-KDL-47W802A-47-Inch-120Hz-Internet/dp/B00AWKBZ0C/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top I heard this has fantastic refresh rates, but I have also heard that this tv's colors are not the best for the money. I'm new to the whole refresh rates thing and want to know what would be the best tv for me to get for color and refresh rates. I like some of the panasonic plasmas but I have heard they are slow for fast moving games. What games will benefit from have 16ms refresh rates? Any recommendations? If I posted this in the wrong area sorry. 

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This Sony model is rated the best overall of all the 2013 LED Tv's for gaming because of it's lag time being @ anywhere @ 15ms-17ms .... Yeah the colors on it are hit & miss... But for your budget it's not a bad pic @ all... Even though others might disagree here about it. But if you had the budget the best overall tv would of been the Sony W900 because of it's great colors & it has anywhere from 19ms-20ms I want to say..... You can check it out on this website for more info. I also think they are working on the 4K tv's & Oled as well.

http://www.displaylag.com/the-best-hdtvs-for-gaming-in-2013-part-2/

Since I'm a huge gamer & lag time is very important to me & all. I'm not sure how these Tv's out now will work with the next-gen systems though... So do keep that in mind also. As when these ratings came out they was for of course the PS3/360 gaming .... Even though I'm sure it might not make a difference.. But you never know with newer tech & ect... So I stay open-minded through it all if you know what I mean. I hope this helps you with your search.
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Any other recommendations on other possible tv's? I'd like a good color quality. Any opinions on plasmas?

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I've been trying to figure this out as well... Really having a difficult time finding a good combination of pq/lag/price
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Same.

I'm starting to think the perfect low-lag, great PQ large screen (=>60") non-plasma TV doesn't exist. At least yet. frown.gif


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Any other recommendations on other possible tv's? I'd like a good color quality. Any opinions on plasmas?

Sadly the Panasonic ST60 Plasma, kind of the absolute perfect mix of incredible picture quality and price (~$950-$1000 for a 50" atm) has terrible input lag (about ~70ms). The VT60 improves 55" doesn't have the input lag but is $1600 for the 55" version.. and from what I gather the difference between the ST60 and VT60 is kind of small when you consider the price increase.

The S60 is an amazing TV for the price as well, it's about $600-$700 for the 50" version but it doesn't have 3D and it's app suite is very basic. It also lacks a glare filter, so it's not a good choice for bright areas.

Also I've been reading very good things about the Vizio M series line, it has very fast input response and it seems PQ is pretty good.
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I love gaming on my parents 55" pioneer elite but it is showing it's age. Does anyone know what the input lag that they had?

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I love gaming on my parents 55" pioneer elite but it is showing it's age. Does anyone know what the input lag that they had?

Do you know the model number? You might be able to find something on Google.

http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/

This is good for newer models.
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I do not know the serial number. Does anyone know of any other good gaming led tvs? besides the one I listed earlier.

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I do not know the serial number. Does anyone know of any other good gaming led tvs? besides the one I listed earlier.

Have you checked out the Vizio M series? According to that database it's got well under <40ms response across the lineup, good image quality, design, etc..
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I'm in a similar situation. My advice is to wait until Black Friday (only 2 weeks after PS4 release). You may be able to get a better TV in your price range. As for recommendations:

1. Samsung F8000 (or F7500). Many professional reviewers have said this TV has near perfect colors right out of the Box. The F8000 also has decent black levels and great uniformity (something most edge LED's don't have). A firmware update not too long ago has drastically lowers the input lag times to something more respectable (they were pretty high before the update). You should be able to get the F7500 for around your price range (46") or an F8000 for $1700 (assuming black Friday discount).

2. The Sony W802. This TV is also great, and it comes in at a great price. As others have said, this TV does have some issues (but every TV has some issues). However, if you don't need the best of the best in terms of PQ, this TV should do well.

3. The third option is to just wait until CES next year and see what gets announced.
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Why is there still so much input lag? I play Xbox on one of those 28" Asus monitors with 1ms response. I use it for everything (PC, Xbox, blu-ray), and I was considering going a little bigger (32"-40"). If the response times are really that much worse, maybe I'll wait a while. I'm also annoyed nobody makes screens in sizes between 32" and 39". Why is that? Is there any reason to expect better response on 4K screens when they start appearing in more variety? When is CES, btw?
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Why is there still so much input lag? I play Xbox on one of those 28" Asus monitors with 1ms response. I use it for everything (PC, Xbox, blu-ray), and I was considering going a little bigger (32"-40"). If the response times are really that much worse, maybe I'll wait a while. I'm also annoyed nobody makes screens in sizes between 32" and 39". Why is that? Is there any reason to expect better response on 4K screens when they start appearing in more variety? When is CES, btw?

-Why so much input lag? From what I've read, this is mostly do to the background processing that the newer TVs do to help enhance the image (sharpening, noise control, ect.). PC monitors are specially built to reduce input lag. The trade off is that PC monitors will not have as good PQ as a high end LED or Plasma.

-Why no screens between 32" and 39"? LCD screens are cut to certain sized due to popularity and economics.

-Better response on 4K TVs? 4K TVs actually require more processing than 1080p TVs. The current 4K TVs on the market actually have somewhat high input lag. This should change in the future.

-When is CES? CES happens every January in Las Vegas. If your circumstances allow, I'd highly suggest going to experience it yourself.

I currently use a Samsung 46" C6300 LED TV. The input lag is around 31ms and it has not been too bad at all (especially for slower games like RPGs). I've had no problems enjoying a wide range of PS3 titles and I'm sure this TV will handle the PS4 (only 2 weeks left!!!) just as good. However, due to me wanting a bigger TV and the 6300's clouding and flashlighting, I am currently looking to pick up an F8000 or next years 8000 (G8000) series for myself. I'd highly suggest going to your local Best Buy or other electronics store and checking it out. The F8000 will perform great with games and better yet, it performs great for movies and TV.
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-Why so much input lag? From what I've read, this is mostly do to the background processing that the newer TVs do to help enhance the image (sharpening, noise control, ect.). PC monitors are specially built to reduce input lag. The trade off is that PC monitors will not have as good PQ as a high end LED or Plasma.

-Why no screens between 32" and 39"? LCD screens are cut to certain sized due to popularity and economics.

-Better response on 4K TVs? 4K TVs actually require more processing than 1080p TVs. The current 4K TVs on the market actually have somewhat high input lag. This should change in the future.

-When is CES? CES happens every January in Las Vegas. If your circumstances allow, I'd highly suggest going to experience it yourself.

I currently use a Samsung 46" C6300 LED TV. The input lag is around 31ms and it has not been too bad at all (especially for slower games like RPGs). I've had no problems enjoying a wide range of PS3 titles and I'm sure this TV will handle the PS4 (only 2 weeks left!!!) just as good. However, due to me wanting a bigger TV and the 6300's clouding and flashlighting, I am currently looking to pick up an F8000 or next years 8000 (G8000) series for myself. I'd highly suggest going to your local Best Buy or other electronics store and checking it out. The F8000 will perform great with games and better yet, it performs great for movies and TV.

Yeah, for RPGs it hardly matters. When you're talking about playing something like Halo online, I'd say it matters. I have no intention of going bigger than 40". I'm glad CES isn't that far off. I really hope there's a decent 39/40" 21:9 screen coming. I'm one of those people that likes to be excessively close to the screen when I'm gaming to better see what's going on in the background, read smaller text, etc. I sit about 2ft from my 28" screen. I don't expect to be more than 3 or 4 feet from a larger one.
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Ok, I think I have narrowed it down to these two tv's. Samsung 46" 7500 LED or Sony 47" W802A LED. Both seem to have really great input lag but, since I have heard the W802A doesn't have "Fantastic" colors I'm leaning to a black friday 7500. Which one should I get? Remember this is mostly for gaming on the PS4 and occasional movies.

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If you care about 3D, I'd go with the W802A.
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Samsung plasma PS51F5000 ftw ! 30-34 ms lag, great pq for a bargain. also check the sony w650.
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i think so,The S60 is an amazing TV for the price as well, it's about $600-$700 for the 50" version but it doesn't have 3D and it's app suite is very basic. It also lacks a glare filter, so it's not a good choice for bright areas.thanks for your sharing.

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I don't really care if a tv has 3D or not, it is a nice little feature to use now and then. As for the S60 I love the colors but I have heard it is not good for competitive gaming and I cannot fit a 50" tv onto my wall. With the 51F5500 looks like a good tv but still the same problem of not fitting. And for the W650 that is too small... I think I'm going to go with the W802A in the end unless someone else has a better idea that is between 45" to 47" and has at most a 25ms response time.

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I don't really care if a tv has 3D or not, it is a nice little feature to use now and then. As for the S60 I love the colors but I have heard it is not good for competitive gaming and I cannot fit a 50" tv onto my wall. With the 51F5500 looks like a good tv but still the same problem of not fitting. And for the W650 that is too small... I think I'm going to go with the W802A in the end unless someone else has a better idea that is between 45" to 47" and has at most a 25ms response time.

Why isn't there a database of all TV response times somewhere? I don't think most sites list them at all on anything bigger than 28" PC monitors.
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For tv's like the W802A it is like 16 or 17ms. It is listed as the best tv for gaming but I would like both gaming and great color quality. I mean I rather have better input lag than color quality but I want to know which tv is best of both worlds.

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You WON'T beat the s60 - not even close - the black levels are that of a 3000K TV ...you can get the 60 inch for 1k from BB or the 50 for 699 .....

I've played Fifa 14 on it and COD as well as BF3 - you feel like you have an unfair advantage at times , that's how quick it is .

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You WON'T beat the s60 - not even close - the black levels are that of a 3000K TV ...you can get the 60 inch for 1k from BB or the 50 for 699 .....

I've played Fifa 14 on it and COD as well as BF3 - you feel like you have an unfair advantage at times , that's how quick it is .



He can't fit a 50" or higher he says. I agree the Panny would beat them all in terms of picture quality or price.
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For tv's like the W802A it is like 16 or 17ms. It is listed as the best tv for gaming but I would like both gaming and great color quality. I mean I rather have better input lag than color quality but I want to know which tv is best of both worlds.


This is your best bet, honestly you wouldn't even know the difference or what good colours would look like if you don't know much about tv's. Either way this tv would be and look excellent to you. Go have a look at it at the store and decide for yourself.

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I purchased a 55in Vizio M-Series (M551D-A2R) for gaming and it's been great. It doesn't have some vertical banding in the middle that can be noticable - but that is not present on the 50 or 60" versions.
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My parents have a Pioneer plasma and its colors are absolutely gorgeous. When I first started looking for a new tv I started with the s60 42" and it went out of stock. But also on most gaming websites they say that the s60 has bad input lag, but that is the only con. I have heard the opposite from lots of people on it being an advantage in games. I do agree the blacks are incomparable but that is more for watching movies and tv shows. As a stated earlier I need low input times. It wouldn't work well anyways because it is too big. 

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I've owned the Sony W9 since May. It's PQ is stunning when playing games and watching movies. What's great is game mode supports 4:4:4 color mapping.
If you can swing the price I can't praise it enough. The quantum dots really improve the color accuracy. Its on par with the best plasmas. It's also very easy to calibrate. I can't wait to see how the PS4 will look on it. Currently you won't find a better overall TV for gaming. My next reco would be the Sony W8 series.
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I've owned the Sony W9 since May. It's PQ is stunning when playing games and watching movies. What's great is game mode supports 4:4:4 color mapping.
If you can swing the price I can't praise it enough. The quantum dots really improve the color accuracy. Its on par with the best plasmas. It's also very easy to calibrate. I can't wait to see how the PS4 will look on it. Currently you won't find a better overall TV for gaming. My next reco would be the Sony W8 series.

The sony W900A? I am thinking of that but it is expensive. The thing I like about the W802A is it fits in my room so my brother can't drop my tv again... (yes my brother dropped my tv when he was moving to to another room to play with friends and broke it) But I might consider getting the W900A if I get a good enough deal during black friday and move it to the normal game room. Plenty of room there. To everyone else's suggestions on plasmas bigger than 46" the only reason i'm considering to get 55" led is its praise of color and input lag.

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ItsLOG4N, yes I was referring to the W900a. The trouble is, the W9 is Sony's flagship LCD so I'm
not so sure you will see that model reduced on Black Friday. If anything you might see the W5 or W6 series
reduced. I'm thinking a price reduction of the W9 would happen late Dec early Jan.
Sony is using a 32inch W650 on the PS4 kiosk. I saw Knack running on it and it looked great.
That's another option for you as well.
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I'm also in the market for a great TV for both gaming and PQ.  My budget is a lot bigger ($3-5k).  Any suggestions with a budget that big?  I was looking at something like Sharp LC-80LE857 or the like.  

 

Any help would be greatly appreciated. :) 

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