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post #1 of 33 Old 11-28-2013, 10:03 AM - Thread Starter
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1. Budget $3500 max, but would love to stay under that
2. Seating distance I somewhat have a unlimited seating distance. Room is 30 feet long. Currently sitting roughly 12-13 feet back now from my Mitsu 73 inch
3. Size/placement limitations no limitations. Plan on hanging this on my custom tv stand hovering over my center channel.
4. Uses and sources Bluray movie watching and PS4/Xbox One gaming.
5. Room lighting watching movies during the day has very very slight lighting almost dark, night watching is completely dark.


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Sony 70R550a $2164
Samsung 75F6300 $2449
Sharp 70LE650 $1679
Sharp 80LE650 $2998
Panasonic 65VT60 $2399This is the only 65 in the bunch and I think it has the BEST PQ of any set
Vizio 70 M701d-A3R $2198
Vizio 80 M801d-A3R $3798 With this set having its own issues and costing more than the Sharp and Samsung 75 and 80 inch models, I somewhat ruled it out. Im content with a 70 inch panel.

Im seeing the Sony having ok picture quality. Not sure about possible problems with this set. I poked around in the r550a thread but didn't see anything widespread. This set got a 36ms input lag

Samsung having good picture quality but possible issues with clouding, flashlighting etc. This tv set to game mode, has 30ms input lag. 120ms not in game mode

Vizio having their own issues with clouding, flashligting. Vizio having a good picture also but with reliability issues. Their 80 inch version had a 40ms input lag

Sharp having a decent picture quality but not sure about input lag with gaming. Not sure about their issues as far as clouding etc..Their 60 inch version got 59ms input lag. Not sure about the 70

Panasonic has the best picture quality of any tv in this shootout. After reading numerous reviews from cnet, plasmabuyingguide, etc... This would be a great set. The lag on it is somewhat average or better. It is a 65 and I would be going down in size but up in picture quality, achieve what I want to do by being able to hang it over my tv stand giving me more room underneath for game systems and center channel can move up where it belongs.

My main concern is I don't mind spending the extra money on a good panel as long as it has good picture quality, reliability, and doesn't have widespread issues with breaking down, flashlighting, clouding etc.. If I can get a good tv to play games on and watch movies, then Im fine even it cost more or less. The Panasonic VT60 has everything I could ever want, but it is the smallest of the bunch. Do I sacrifice possible problems with flashlighting, blobs, etc.. for a smaller better tv? Burn in is a possible factor though.

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I sit 11' from My Samsung 75F6400, which I love. The only thing I can conceive of from here is moving to an 84" 4K set. I would definitely not go from 73" down to 70"...

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I sit 11' from My Samsung 75F6400, which I love. The only thing I can conceive of from here is moving to an 84" 4K set. I would definitely not go from 73" down to 70"...

My main and only reason for going to a flat panel is so I can hang it up moving my center channel on top of the tv stand. I will have more room where it used to be for game systems.

Going from 73 to 70 isn't a concern.

What is the difference in the 6400 vs 6300? The price is ridiculously higher.
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Going from 73 to 70 isn't a concern.

What is the difference in the 6400 vs 6300? The price is ridiculously higher.

The 6400 is 3d the 6300 isn't.

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3d isn't a big factor for me. I've had a 3d tv for three years and never used it. smile.gif
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Among those, my humble opinion is that the Samsung had the best picture, which led me to recently purchase it. I'm sitting about 12 feet from it. It's terrific.
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i see,that the Samsung had the best picture, which led me to recently purchase it. I'm sitting about 12 feet from it. It's terrific.thanks

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Hopefully I can get some more subjective input.
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The Samsung and sharp models probably look better than the Sony or Vizio. However i saw ps4 in your list and the large sharp tvs lag pretty bad. The fastest in this group and probably the prettiest too is the Samsung IMO. You can check around here or some review sites but you really will know what to pick when you see it in person i believe.

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Cnet is saying the r550a has a better picture than the samsung 6 and 7 series. They also state that the sony has a better picture for the money.
The samsung is roughly 300 more also.
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We got a Vizio m701 from Costco. Very happy after two weeks. Great picture and good value.
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I know you mentioned that you would be content with a 70" TV, but if I was in your position, I would go for a 80" given your seating distance - I think you would appreciate the increase in size smile.gif
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I know you mentioned that you would be content with a 70" TV, but if I was in your position, I would go for a 80" given your seating distance - I think you would appreciate the increase in size smile.gif

seating distance can be moved either way. Im not hampered by that. My thinking is the only 80 in the bunch is a Sharp within reason, and it has very high input lag. I don't want to settle so to speak just because of sheer size.
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I have somewhat narrowed it down between the Vizio and Sony 70 inch models. Just not sure which one has the least issues: blob, flashlighting, screen uniformity etc..?
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Decisions decisions. I couldn't tell them apart when i saw them in store but specs and what i saw they look to be pretty equal. Just flip a coin wink.gif!!! Good luck deciding and hopefully enjoy whichever you get.

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Decisions decisions. I couldn't tell them apart when i saw them in store but specs and what i saw they look to be pretty equal. Just flip a coin wink.gif!!! Good luck deciding and hopefully enjoy whichever you get.

I cannot comment on anything but the Vizio. I am returning my 4th one (M70) due to light bleed and flashing. I kept thinking I will try one more see how it goes but they were all bad. In a bright room you probably won't notice it but in a dark environment the ones I had were pretty bad. Now I need to consider my next choice. I am leaning toward a Samsung or maybe a Sony.
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That's what i read over on their thread. But the Sony kids complain about blooming and "blobs" on their thread to. I hate to hear about how many you've sent back. Maybe this time you will hit paydirt. I'm hoping i don't have these problems or if i do hopefully they will be minimal. Sad how there seems to be such a lack of qc in electronics anymore.

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out of THAT group.. I would go Vizio... and stay away from a 80" sharp for your needs...

to ME personally.. I didnt like the way the 6300 looked at all... it was right next to a m701 ( both calibrated, ) and the vizio was clearly the winner, in every scenario except the 6300 seems to have whiter whites.. but not by much..


Lightbleed, ghosting , flashlighting, were all more noticable on the sony and sharp.. save a $1000 and wait 4-5 years then buy a 4k , when those prices go down and the sizes go up wink.gif
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I cannot comment on anything but the Vizio. I am returning my 4th one (M70) due to light bleed and flashing. I kept thinking I will try one more see how it goes but they were all bad. In a bright room you probably won't notice it but in a dark environment the ones I had were pretty bad. Now I need to consider my next choice. I am leaning toward a Samsung or maybe a Sony.

scary. this is exactly the reason im worried.
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That's what i read over on their thread. But the Sony kids complain about blooming and "blobs" on their thread to. I hate to hear about how many you've sent back. Maybe this time you will hit paydirt. I'm going i don't have these problems or if i do hopefully they will be minimal. Sad how there seems to be such a lack of qc in electronics anymore.

What Im wondering if that is a widespread problem?
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out of THAT group.. I would go Vizio... and stay away from a 80" sharp for your needs...

to ME personally.. I didnt like the way the 6300 looked at all... it was right next to a m701 ( both calibrated, ) and the vizio was clearly the winner, in every scenario except the 6300 seems to have whiter whites.. but not by much..


Lightbleed, ghosting , flashlighting, were all more noticable on the sony and sharp.. save a $1000 and wait 4-5 years then buy a 4k , when those prices go down and the sizes go up wink.gif

Im actually have always loved the Panasonic 65VT60 but never thought of going down in size. Maybe I could always buy the panny and then get something bigger and better in 3-5 years.
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I updated my first post to include the panny vt60 65 inch.
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I updated my first post to include the panny vt60 65 inch.

There is no doubt that out of these tv's the VT60 -65" has the best picture quality. I don't need to go into details as why, I'm sure you already know, but giving the length of your room and viewing distance you may consider a bigger panel but you will have other issues to deal with. Good luck on what you choose.

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I LOVE my 65VT60 and I sit 12-13 ft away and its fine....but I bump up from a 51"RPTV :-) I would go with the BEST PQ 65VT and move your seating up to 8-10 ft since you can then down the road bump it up to a larger OLED when ya can and you would have a awesome 65" for the BDRM or any other room in the house :-) that's what my plan is but unfortunately I can only move my seating up to maybe 10ft away if needed but like I said coming from a 51" it looks GREAT from where Im at now :-)
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There is no doubt that out of these tv's the VT60 -65" has the best picture quality. I don't need to go into details as why, I'm sure you already know, but giving the length of your room and viewing distance you may consider a bigger panel but you will have other issues to deal with. Good luck on what you choose.

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I LOVE my 65VT60 and I sit 12-13 ft away and its fine....but I bump up from a 51"RPTV :-) I would go with the BEST PQ 65VT and move your seating up to 8-10 ft since you can then down the road bump it up to a larger OLED when ya can and you would have a awesome 65" for the BDRM or any other room in the house :-) that's what my plan is but unfortunately I can only move my seating up to maybe 10ft away if needed but like I said coming from a 51" it looks GREAT from where Im at now :-)

Talk to me about burn in. I read some reviews on amazon where some customers had burn in because their wife watched a show where the logo was at the bottom. I was always under the impression burn it wasn't necessarily a factor anymore. Remember Ill be playing games on this thing, so burn in might be a factor?
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Talk to me about burn in. I read some reviews on amazon where some customers had burn in because their wife watched a show where the logo was at the bottom. I was always under the impression burn it wasn't necessarily a factor anymore. Remember Ill be playing games on this thing, so burn in might be a factor?


All I can tell you from my experience, I don't own a VT60 but I have seen it. I have the GT50 and from day one I gamed on my PS3 and used my HTPC for watching Bluray movies, listen to music on XBMC, browse the internet , watch sports/channels with logos and never had any problems with BI. You really have to abuse them in my opinion to get burn in, like game for 8hrs straight, playing the same game for weeks.. Who does that? If you do, than go for LCD. It's best to ask in the VT60 plasma section from owners for more info.

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Here is where I'm at.... just like Nezff I'm in the market looking for a TV 65-70 inches. This has been a difficult process thus far. I have always had plasma and loved them. I currently own a PN63C8000. I love this TV.. Unfortunately it has a defective panel, which has horrible banding... long story short Samsung wont replace the defective panel that they have already replaced about a year ago. I am out of warranty. I have looked at countless sets and basically dislike every LED i set my eyes upon in bb. I game and never had any burn in issues with my plasma... but I've read many reviews on Amazon and skimmed the owners forums on here saying that Pan ST,VT and even ZT all have experienced IR or burn ins. The number of posts Ive seen in the owners threads have alarmed me. I watch a lot of sports. Usually these games last 3-4 hours and are on every other night (Basket Ball, Football, Hockey). I'm also going to be gaming on PS4 and XBOX ONE. I'm hesitant to purchase a panny because of this. I'm trying my hardest to find an LED but light bleed and flashing in most models are keeping me from making a purchase. I've looked at the UNXXF7100, UN75F6300, M701d‑A3R. I've read CNET, Avs Forums and my brain is running in circles. I don't think I want to break the bank and buy the pn64f8500(Plasma). Any other Videophiles out there have a suggestion? Any owners out there that can comment on the jitter issues with all of these TVs with the setting on and off? I'm not a fan of the ultra smooth soap opera effect. Any input would be awesome.

 

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scared of burn in and scared of getting a crappy led panel. smile.gif
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looks like you and me are in the same boat Nezff.

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looks like you and me are in the same boat Nezff.

I keep going back to the Sony for some reason. Im not sure I want to take the chance on the Samsung 75 especially since it is $2449.
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That room is perfect for 110" front projection nirvana.
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That room is perfect for 110" front projection nirvana.

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