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Im now waiting on the 49" and 50" 2014 M series.

Smallest sizes with 32 Zones of Dimming...will give the smallest Dimming Zones of all the M series sets. The M602i looked great at Costco.

Is there a 50" P series? And how many zones does it have? And is it 4K?

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You're not a Costco member I take it... (no there isn't)
Yes I am, but I never read the fine print when my wife signed us up every year...
Plus, I've never had to return anything yet, so I didn't know about a restocking fee.
It is something to worry about if you buy a $3,000 TV.
Best Buy has restocking fees.
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Yes I am, but I never read the fine print when my wife signed us up every year...
Plus, I've never had to return anything yet, so I didn't know about a restocking fee.
It is something to worry about if you buy a $3,000 TV.
Best Buy has restocking fees.

I wasnt charged restocking fees at Best Buy, just now.

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Im now waiting on the 49" and 50" 2014 M series.

Smallest sizes with 32 Zones of Dimming...will give the smallest Dimming Zones of all the M series sets. The M602i looked great at Costco.

Is there a 50" P series? And how many zones does it have? And is it 4K?

Are you saying that the http://store.vizio.com/mseries/m602ib3.html is now being sold in stores at Costco? or are you talking about the M601d?
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Im now waiting on the 49" and 50" 2014 M series.

Smallest sizes with 32 Zones of Dimming...will give the smallest Dimming Zones of all the M series sets. The M602i looked great at Costco.

Is there a 50" P series? And how many zones does it have? And is it 4K?

P Series IS UHD, and it should be coming in 50, 55, 60, 65, and 70.
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You said you couldn't wait it out, but then say you're not above returning and waiting it out? Why couldn't you wait it out? I'm making do with my old 46" XBR until the P series. I'm not expecting it until like August or later because I don't want to get my hopes up. If it comes out earlier, awesome.

It would be a lot easier to wait except for the fact that a phone was "accidentally" swatted into my tv.. Long story but I attached a picture. I can still wait, it is just harder to wait when 1/5 of your tv looks like a rainbow.
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Yes I am, but I never read the fine print when my wife signed us up every year...
Plus, I've never had to return anything yet, so I didn't know about a restocking fee.
It is something to worry about if you buy a $3,000 TV.
Best Buy has restocking fees.

I returned 3 TVs to best buy in the past 42 days and was never charged a restocking fee.

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I returned 3 TVs to best buy in the past 42 days and was never charged a restocking fee.

2 for me in the last 30 days, likewise.

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Are you saying that the http://store.vizio.com/mseries/m602ib3.html is now being sold in stores at Costco? or are you talking about the M601d?

Yes, the 2014 m602i-b3 is being sold at Costco. Most owners here: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1531072/official-2014-vizio-mxxx-bx-series-owners-thread/330 bought it at Costco

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I'm waiting for the 2014 80" FALD and nothing else will do! I'd rather wait and see if the set materializes then buy a 2013 set and find out 1 month from now it's available. I don't think I'm the only one on this....smile.gif

 

I completely hear you.  Right now I am nervous about missing out on the current 80" that they are moving at costco, amazon and otherwise for $3G.  My nightmare is that those sell out, all that is left is the non 3d one for more money and the 2014 model never shows its face.

 

I am a costco member, so I am leaving towards buying the 80" 3d now.  You guys seem to know more about this 90 day return policy.  Just so I am clear I can no questions asked have 90 days to return the tv to costco for the original amount I paid and/or swap it for a new model if it should show its face?

 

Its that or I buy the Samsung UN75F7100 I saw for under $3G.  I lose 5" but like what I saw.  I have yet to actually see an 80" M series live, all that I end up seeing is the 70" e series, which I do not like and looks decidedly low budget.

 

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Im now waiting on the 49" and 50" 2014 M series.

Smallest sizes with 32 Zones of Dimming...will give the smallest Dimming Zones of all the M series sets. The M602i looked great at Costco.

Is there a 50" P series? And how many zones does it have? And is it 4K?

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P Series IS UHD, and it should be coming in 50, 55, 60, 65, and 70.

64 zones but there are rumors the 65" model will have 96 zones. On paper they have the same specs.

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I completely hear you.  Right now I am nervous about missing out on the current 80" that they are moving at costco, amazon and otherwise for $3G.  My nightmare is that those sell out, all that is left is the non 3d one for more money and the 2014 model never shows its face.

 

I am a costco member, so I am leaving towards buying the 80" 3d now.  You guys seem to know more about this 90 day return policy.  Just so I am clear I can no questions asked have 90 days to return the tv to costco for the original amount I paid and/or swap it for a new model if it should show its face?

 

Its that or I buy the Samsung UN75F7100 I saw for under $3G.  I lose 5" but like what I saw.  I have yet to actually see an 80" M series live, all that I end up seeing is the 70" e series, which I do not like and looks decidedly low budget.

 

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Yeah, it even used to be lifetime up untill 2007, but people were abusing it and returning one TV for a new model every year so they made it 90 days. http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/1944

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64 zones but there are rumors the 65" model will have 96 zones. On paper they have the same specs.

I think that's rumor only. 64 zones for all P series, and 384 zones for the Reference...if it ever materializes.
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64 zones but there are rumors the 65" model will have 96 zones. On paper they have the same specs.
I don't know if they're rumors. Thomas Norton in his review of the 55" E-series said the P-series has up to 96 dimming zones. We have no idea if that's a typo/mistake or if it is newer information than was available at CES.
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I think that's rumor only. 64 zones for all P series, and 384 zones for the Reference...if it ever materializes.
Not necessarily... See the above linked article.
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I don't know if they're rumors. Thomas Norton in his review of the 55" E-series said the P-series has up to 96 dimming zones. We have no idea if that's a typo/mistake or if it is newer information than was available at CES.
Not necessarily... See the above linked article.

Now that I read the source I'm thinking it's a typo, but since I'm looking at a 70" P series I surely wouldn't mind being wrong.

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64 zones but there are rumors the 65" model will have 96 zones. On paper they have the same specs.
I don't know if they're rumors. Thomas Norton in his review of the 55" E-series said the P-series has up to 96 dimming zones. We have no idea if that's a typo/mistake or if it is newer information than was available at CES.
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I think that's rumor only. 64 zones for all P series, and 384 zones for the Reference...if it ever materializes.
Not necessarily... See the above linked article.

" The number of zones varies by screen size even within the E-Series family, from either five or six zones in sets smaller than 50 inches up to 18 zones in the 70-inch E700i.... Vizio’s higher-end sets offer more zones than the E-Series—up to 36 in the M-Series and 96 in the Ultra HD P-Series."

I read that as 'up to... 96 (zones) in the Ultra HD P Series.'

The 70" E Series is not out yet, so no way to confirm if it has 18 dimming zones (in contradiction of the Vizio CES website which refers to 'up to 16').

All of the M Series released so far have 32 or less zones, so no to say yet whether either of the remaining panels to be released including the 70" M have 36 zones (in contradiction of the Vizio CES website which refers to 'up to 32').

And so on the P, who knows if the 64 zones refered to on the Vizio CES website are accurate or certain panel sizes may surpass that limit and by how much.

Maybe someone should write an email to Thomas Norton to get more details biggrin.gif
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The 70" E Series is not out yet, so no way to confirm if it has 18 dimming zones (in contradiction of the Vizio CES website which refers to 'up to 16').
Except Vizio's own post CES PR says 18 zones for the E. Link
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Yeah, it even used to be lifetime up untill 2007, but people were abusing it and returning one TV for a new model every year so they made it 90 days. http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/1944

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I returned 3 TVs to best buy in the past 42 days and was never charged a restocking fee.

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2 for me in the last 30 days, likewise.
That is nice to know. Just take it back, no problems.. just saying you don't like it or do you have to say there is something wrong with the TV?
Is Costco the same?
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I told them that I didnt find the picture quality acceptable. The first one having to do with Screen Door Effect and the second one having to do with Greenish Blacks (but also the limited number of Dimming Zones). But otherwise the TVs were perfectly functional.

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I told them that I didnt find the picture quality acceptable. The first one having to do with Screen Door Effect and the second one having to do with Greenish Blacks (but also the limited number of Dimming Zones). But otherwise the TVs were perfectly functional.
As I thought... something has to be wrong with the product or they stick you with restocking. I've done that a time or two at Best Buy. Besides, Best Buy knows I'm a good customer as I've spent several thousand dollars there over the years, silver status several times. Not now as I've kept the last TV I got from them over two years now. Time to spend again.
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The 70" E Series is not out yet, so no way to confirm if it has 18 dimming zones (in contradiction of the Vizio CES website which refers to 'up to 16').
Except Vizio's own post CES PR says 18 zones for the E. Link

Well, if you look at this CES-related press release put out by Vizio on January 7th, 2014: http://store.vizio.com/news/vizio-announces-2014-e-series-and-m-series-hdtv-collections/

you will see that they stated this: "With sizes from 23” to 70”, VIZIO’s E-Series is ideal for consumers looking for the latest technology at a great value. Unlike most competitive models in this class, the new VIZIO E-Series includes Full-Array LED backlighting and advanced local dimming technology, with up to 16 Active LED Zones that deliver better light uniformity for a more vibrant, beautiful picture."

And then by the specific E-Series launch PR that you referenced dated February 26th, 2014: http://store.vizio.com/news/breakthrough-step-up-in-picture-quality-with-advanced-local-dimming-and-full-array-led-backlighting-now-available-with-launch-of-2014-vizio-e-series-collection

you will see that has changed to say this: "VIZIO’s new E-Series features the latest technology at the best value, and is available in a full range of screen size classes from 23” to 70”. Among the first at this price band, VIZIO is introducing advanced local dimming technology and Full-Array LED backlighting on most of the new models, with up to 18 Active LED Zones delivering better light uniformity for a more vibrant, beautiful picture.

So obviously some additional details came into focus over the 6 weeks since CES and the 'official' E-Series launch, and since we have not yet seen a launch PR for either the M Series or the P Series, it is too early to say whether there will be M Series models with more than 32 LDZs or P Series models with more than 64 LDZs...
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My point was that the information released at CES isn't definitive and that T. Norton could have more up to date and accurate information. He's right on the E-series.
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My point was that the information released at CES isn't definitive and that T. Norton could have more up to date and accurate information. He's right on the E-series.

Gotcha - I interpreted you post to imply the opposite (that Vizio never contradicts themselves biggrin.gif)

The 70" E has 18, 2 more than the early CES information of 16 (which was accurate for most of the other larger panel sizes).

The 70" M is not out yet, but since most of the other larger M panels have 32 (which is double 16 of the E) and 36 is double the 18 zones of the 70" E, it will be interesting to see if his information on some M-Series panels having 36 LDZs is correct.

The P Series having 96 is tougher to see - at double the M, the 70" would have 72 LDZs instead of 64, so 96 would not make much sense there.

The 65" R Series is supposed to have 384 LDZs which I am guessing is organized as 16V x 24H and if the 65" P is based on the same backlight, perhaps it has 1/4 the number of LDZs (each 4 times as big), so 8V x 12H.

Guess we'll just have to wait to see what materializes.

In any case, if the Sony X950B is confirmed to have only 144 LDZs (as an early owner is claiming), the X950B would be only 3/8ths of the R Series with 384 LDZs. And the P Series at 64 LDZs would be 4/9ths of the X950B (so a bit closer to the X950B than the X950B is to the R Series) while a P Series with 96 LDZs would be 2/3rds of the X950B.
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I'm leaning toward getting the Costco Vizio 70" 3D HDTV with their warranty.
That warranty seems very reasonable:
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How come the new 55in is going to be thicker than old one :( 

 

I know the new ones are suppose to be much better but still, 0.37in!

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How come the new 55in is going to be thicker than old one frown.gif 

I know the new ones are suppose to be much better but still, 0.37in!
Save yourself a third of an inch or so and get last year's edge-lit model.
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As I thought... something has to be wrong with the product or they stick you with restocking. I've done that a time or two at Best Buy. Besides, Best Buy knows I'm a good customer as I've spent several thousand dollars there over the years, silver status several times. Not now as I've kept the last TV I got from them over two years now. Time to spend again.

Nothing was defective with the 3 I returned, and I didn't make something up either. The first Samsung image was choppy, and we weren't sure if it was a defective TV, or bad product design, so I swapped it out for another Samsung. That one also had the choppy image, so it was inherent in the TV's design. I returned it, and swapped it for a Vizio M551d-A2R, then returned that one 14 days later telling them the flashlight effects were annoying, and I wanted to get one of the 2014 Vizio M models instead; but they didn't have any yet and Costco did, so they just refunded my money.

If you got stuck with restocking fees, you may have angered or annoyed the employee with whom you were working.

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How come the new 55in is going to be thicker than old one frown.gif 

I know the new ones are suppose to be much better but still, 0.37in!

Putting the LED's behind the screen takes up more space, but (ostensibly) improves uniformity, and even allows for true local dimming to enhance contrast. I never understood why people cared so much for a thin TV anyway. I prefer to look at mine from the front.
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You said you couldn't wait it out, but then say you're not above returning and waiting it out? Why couldn't you wait it out? I'm making do with my old 46" XBR until the P series. I'm not expecting it until like August or later because I don't want to get my hopes up. If it comes out earlier, awesome.
Yeah...I am holding out with my Sony 60" A3000 SXRD set...yellowing light engine and all.biggrin.gif Want to go back to at least a 65", but prefer the 70" M or P Series. Not sure that I need 4K just yet, so hopefully my wait will not be too long for the 70" M.

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