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M-Series reviews are up on CNET. Here is the M602i-B3: http://www.cnet.com/products/vizio-m602i-b3/

I have to say I expected the M series to shine a little brighter than the E series, but overall still a glowing review. I know one particular person on here will be upset with the 42ms game mode lag. It looks like sony is in trouble being bested by a much cheaper tv

I got my 602i-B3 yesterday, and made the custom setting like the cnet article set them on his calibration page....and the picture looked horrible. it was dark, blurry, colors were not good, blah blah blah....it just sucked. are these settings cnet posted supposed to be the instrument calibrated settings that are supposed to knock my socks off? they just didnt look nearly as good as some of the manufacturer presets? am i missing something here?
Sorry if this question belongs somewhere else in the forum, please direct me as I am new...

But I am wondering if there are settings that would in anyway shorten the life of my new M series, like make the backlight 100 and I get less life out of it? Or any color setting, brightness, contrast, etc etc....having them set a certain way will diminish the useable life of my TV? I obviously want a great picture, and I want it to pop with color and brightness, thats just the style I like watching....so I found some settings with backlight 100, color way up, etc etc....but just want to make sure this will not hurt the TV in any way?
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M-Series reviews are up on CNET. Here is the M602i-B3: http://www.cnet.com/products/vizio-m602i-b3/

I have to say I expected the M series to shine a little brighter than the E series, but overall still a glowing review. I know one particular person on here will be upset with the 42ms game mode lag. It looks like sony is in trouble being bested by a much cheaper tv

I got my 602i-B3 yesterday, and made the custom setting like the cnet article set them on his calibration page....and the picture looked horrible. it was dark, blurry, colors were not good, blah blah blah....it just sucked. are these settings cnet posted supposed to be the instrument calibrated settings that are supposed to knock my socks off? they just didnt look nearly as good as some of the manufacturer presets? am i missing something here?
Sorry if this question belongs somewhere else in the forum, please direct me as I am new...

But I am wondering if there are settings that would in anyway shorten the life of my new M series, like make the backlight 100 and I get less life out of it? Or any color setting, brightness, contrast, etc etc....having them set a certain way will diminish the useable life of my TV? I obviously want a great picture, and I want it to pop with color and brightness, thats just the style I like watching....so I found some settings with backlight 100, color way up, etc etc....but just want to make sure this will not hurt the TV in any way?
Probably hurt your eyes more than anything. :-)
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With CCFL TV's and the like you might have to worry, but LED has much less of that worry with it.
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The Samsung H6350s are direct-lit? Which 2014 models from all manufacturers are FALD or direct-lit?
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I'm curious if the people that bought the m602i-b3 are glad they did or if they wished they waited for the P-series? And how many people are holding off on buying a set until the P comes out to compare? I don't really care about the 4Ktv but there are reasons to suspect PQ may be better with the additional zones (and perhaps better dimming) so I'm having a hard time pulling the trigger on the M.
Count me as one waiting for the P Series to come out...if for no other reason than the extremely low latency gaming mode Vizio was proclaiming at CES.
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The Samsung H6350s are direct-lit? Which 2014 models from all manufacturers are FALD or direct-lit?

I believe the high end Sony and H9000 for Samsung are the only ones outside of Vizio for FALD sets. I could be wrong though.


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I believe the high end Sony and H9000 for Samsung are the only ones outside of Vizio for FALD sets. I could be wrong though.
The H9000 is FALD? The only Samsung I know of that is FALD is the 80+" S9.
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I like the availability of full array local dimming, the reference series having 384 zones and the lower end having 96 zones. This is the kind of improvement and smart R&D I like to see vs. wasted resources spent on 3D. It's over, the 3D fad is done.
I agree. 3D is dying. I hate those annoying glasses but fun anyway
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I believe the high end Sony and H9000 for Samsung are the only ones outside of Vizio for FALD sets. I could be wrong though.
The H9000 is FALD? The only Samsung I know of that is FALD is the 80+" S9.

No you are correct it was the S9 my apologies.


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The Samsung H6350s are direct-lit? Which 2014 models from all manufacturers are FALD or direct-lit?

The Samsung H6400 is also direct lit. And of course you're aware of the Toshiba 55L7400U.


I'm thinking the high end UHD Panasonic also has a FALD design in addition to the Sony, but in terms of relative affordability I'm thinking Vizio and the Toshiba are it for FALD.
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Forgive me. I've been following this thread for the past couple if weeks and I still can't figure out what advantage the M series has over the E. Seems that PQ is on par, if not better on the E. Black levels are the same story. I haven't read of real complaints about viewing angles on the E. So what advantage does the M series give?

I've been following this thread for a long time too and I'm not getting the same impressions. The M-Series has superior build quality, twice the "effective refresh rate", twice the dimming zones and something called "Active Pixel Tuning", an advanced dimming feature.
Yes, but what real world advantages do those things result in? According to the C-Net review, the picture quality is almost the same.
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Yes, but what real world advantages do those things result in? According to the C-Net review, the picture quality is almost the same.
By all means, buy an E-Series. There are many people in this thread who are perfectly happy with theirs.
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Forgive me. I've been following this thread for the past couple if weeks and I still can't figure out what advantage the M series has over the E. Seems that PQ is on par, if not better on the E. Black levels are the same story. I haven't read of real complaints about viewing angles on the E. So what advantage does the M series give?

I've been following this thread for a long time too and I'm not getting the same impressions. The M-Series has superior build quality, twice the "effective refresh rate", twice the dimming zones and something called "Active Pixel Tuning", an advanced dimming feature.
Yes, but what real world advantages do those things result in? According to the C-Net review, the picture quality is almost the same.

I have been wondering about this as well, especially that doubling the number of zones seemed to make no difference. Hopefully quadrupling the zones will make a difference.
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Forgive me. I've been following this thread for the past couple if weeks and I still can't figure out what advantage the M series has over the E. Seems that PQ is on par, if not better on the E. Black levels are the same story. I haven't read of real complaints about viewing angles on the E. So what advantage does the M series give?

I've been following this thread for a long time too and I'm not getting the same impressions. The M-Series has superior build quality, twice the "effective refresh rate", twice the dimming zones and something called "Active Pixel Tuning", an advanced dimming feature.
Yes, but what real world advantages do those things result in? According to the C-Net review, the picture quality is almost the same.
The active dimming on the E series doesn’t work. It creates weird video ribbing and such depending on the scene. On the M series it works. You also get better shadow detail on the M.

It's $220 more than the E at Costco(60" model) and IMO worth it.
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The active dimming on the E series doesn’t work. It creates weird video ribbing and such depending on the scene.
That was not observed in the review at CNET (by an "ISF certified, NIST trained" calibrator who developed CNET's TV testing procedure).
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The active dimming on the E series doesn’t work. It creates weird video ribbing and such depending on the scene.
That was not observed in the review at CNET (by an "ISF certified, NIST trained" calibrator who developed CNET's TV testing procedure).
No, it wasn't. But it has been reported by many owners here. Including myself.

The issue isn't present all the time. It depends on the scene. Turning active dimming off got rid of it and didn't diminish the picture quality at all.

I wondered if it was just me but so many other people had the issue too.
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The H9000 is FALD? The only Samsung I know of that is FALD is the 80+" S9.
No the HU9000 is edge lit.
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No, it wasn't. But it has been reported by many owners here. Including myself.

The issue isn't present all the time. It depends on the scene. Turning active dimming off got rid of it and didn't diminish the picture quality at all.

I wondered if it was just me but so many other people had the issue too.
I also have the weird video ribbing effect on the 60in.I leave the Active Led zones option on because of the better blacks.But yeah you do see it depending on the scene.It is still a great LED TV overall though.Nice gaming set too.
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So I have seen a few people post that they ordered the m652i-b2 from vizio directly I assume. (Mainly bc I believe that is the only place that has them in stock minus maybe amazon) I am curious to know how it compares to the 60". I am awaiting the P series for my video room, however I'm considering buying the 65" for the loving room, however from what I hear the cream of the crop is the 60". Does anyone have any insight to this?
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That was not observed in the review at CNET (by an "ISF certified, NIST trained" calibrator who developed CNET's TV testing procedure).
Perhaps somewhere between Katzmaier's judgement and what archer and some others have noted lies the truth for a typical set. Katzmaier is my number guy but I'm looking forward to other reviews sans Greenwald at PC Mag. Well I guess I'm hoping the active pixel tuning and the additional zones make more of a difference than he gives credit.
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So I have seen a few people post that they ordered the m652i-b2 from vizio directly I assume. (Mainly bc I believe that is the only place that has them in stock minus maybe amazon) I am curious to know how it compares to the 60". I am awaiting the P series for my video room, however I'm considering buying the 65" for the loving room, however from what I hear the cream of the crop is the 60". Does anyone have any insight to this?
If I had a loving room I may not care what kind of TV I had in there!

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No, it wasn't. But it has been reported by many owners here. Including myself.

The issue isn't present all the time. It depends on the scene. Turning active dimming off got rid of it and didn't diminish the picture quality at all.

I wondered if it was just me but so many other people had the issue too.
Archer, do you notice any of the flashing that azcompany (he has a 42" E series with 6 dimming zones) has reported when watching movies with subtitles on Netflix. If you haven't watched a movie with subtitles could you when have a chance? It would be greatly appreciated (same goes to other M series owners). I would really like to know if this still happens on a M series with 32 zones.

As much as I have praise the M series this would probably be a deal breaker for me. Though I plan on getting the P series I figure if this isn't an issue on the M series then it'll likely not be an issue on its bigger brother.
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By all means, buy an E-Series. There are many people in this thread who are perfectly happy with theirs.
I have the 60" but was kind of kicking myself for not waiting on the M until I read the Cnet review.
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The active dimming on the E series doesn’t work. It creates weird video ribbing and such depending on the scene. On the M series it works. You also get better shadow detail on the M.

It's $220 more than the E at Costco(60" model) and IMO worth it.
I don't get that on my 60" E. The only problem I have is a small bit of darkening at the corners, that isn't visible on anything but a white screen. I understand that the M has this also.
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I purchased the 55" E and took it back because even after calibrating there seemed to be a red hue on everyone.
I was waiting for the 60" M and after reading the cnet review I don't know if it's worth the extra $300 or whatever it is.
I am trying to decide if it's worth waiting out for the P series or just go ahead and get the 60" E and try to get the red hue out again.
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I don't get that on my 60" E. The only problem I have is a small bit of darkening at the corners, that isn't visible on anything but a white screen. I understand that the M has this also.
It can also look like a flashing. Sometimes like the active zones are slow to respond to scenes.
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Archer, do you notice any of the flashing that azcompany (he has a 42" E series with 6 dimming zones) has reported when watching movies with subtitles on Netflix. If you haven't watched a movie with subtitles could you when have a chance? It would be greatly appreciated (same goes to other M series owners). I would really like to know if this still happens on a M series with 32 zones.

As much as I have praise the M series this would probably be a deal breaker for me. Though I plan on getting the P series I figure if this isn't an issue on the M series then it'll likely not be an issue on its bigger brother.
I returned my E series. But there's no issues with subs in Netflix on the M series.
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I don't get that on my 60" E. The only problem I have is a small bit of darkening at the corners, that isn't visible on anything but a white screen. I understand that the M has this also.
Oh its there.Maybe you just haven't payed much attention to it.I even went back to costco this weekend and exchanged it for another(defect in audio out) and it does the same thing.Its not all that distracting really.If you don't know what to look for most people wont even notice it.
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If I had a loving room I may not care what kind of TV I had in there!
Haha touché. I believe the room you are referring to is what we laymen call the bed room 😎
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I got my 602i-B3 yesterday, and made the custom setting like the cnet article set them on his calibration page....and the picture looked horrible. it was dark, blurry, colors were not good, blah blah blah....it just sucked. are these settings cnet posted supposed to be the instrument calibrated settings that are supposed to knock my socks off? they just didnt look nearly as good as some of the manufacturer presets? am i missing something here?
I, too, was not happy using the CNET's calibration settings, and I have tried them on two of the 602i-B3 sets. To my eye they gave people a very oversaturated sunburned look. It would be impossible to adjust all of those color tuner settings without equipment, so for now I have left their 11-point white balance settings but eliminated all of the color tuner settings. All I have on that screen now is -15 for the Green offset and -25 for the Green gain, and my Tint setting is -10. That eliminated the greenish tint I was getting on the skin tones. With those adjustments I am now getting skin tones that look good to me, and are pretty consistent channel to channel; definitely better than what I got with the CNET settings. I'm really not sure why. I'm hoping that there will be more professional calibrations posted that I can try to get it even better.
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